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So, I just played an IJN career starting with Okinawa in IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946, and even though they were AI, the RN Seafires absolutely slaughtered me and my flight.

 

BoO is going to be fun for the allies  :lol:

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Seafires will be great. I met a friend of my Grandpa who flew them

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Be sure you have a LOT of spare propellers on board.

 

:lol:

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Give me a Mitsubishi G4M and a A6M and all will be fine.

lets bomb the USN out of Japanese Sea

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I'm hoping they do the battle of the coral sea then move to midway. Not sure how they are going to package this.

 

It was interesting to note that he was a producer on IL-2 Birds of Prey, curious if he was involved with Birds of Steel

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I always loved this game, and I even have the war thunder version dlc campaign (same thing basically) lol. Still one of the best ww2 naval air combat experiences I've had.

 

 

 

I think the person who came up with that name has some reading to do.  Perhaps a more appropriate name would be Birds of Duralumin or Birds of Metaphorical Steel.

And don't get me started on Canvas knights...  :dry:

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Back on the old IL2 there was a guy who went by Gibbage who was doing one on his own for it. he had, I believe, done the P-38 model for them and some other work. Never completed as far as I know.

Gibbage had a pretty bad misunderstanding with some of the devs, supposedly over the 3D model not being up to dev standards.

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So you would get up in the morning and fly for hours with nothing but ocean to look at til you landed after dark. If you somehow you did come into contact with an enemy aircraft, almost 100% you would be shot down.

 

Dad did some flying in Cansos (CC) looking for U-boats and said it was the most boring flying he ever did.

 

I did say as an AI a/c.

Don`t be so negative. If we get it, we might do some lobbying for the FW-200 aswell.

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Gibbage had a pretty bad misunderstanding with some of the devs, supposedly over the 3D model not being up to dev standards.

 

A lot of it was over the P-38 not having contra-rotating props.  Gibbage was extremely blunt with the developers about that and did a walk out.

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Good point and I stand corrected. But As I said, I adore the Cat and I would love to see her   AND fly her. I just want the title to be as appealing as possible - and to see as many relevant planes IN USE as possible. I would hate that a plane which the team spent a great amount of time making, just ends up not in use. Can this time be spent on other things? Well that is up for Jason et al to decide.

I think it is entirely needless to say that each and every one of the forumers would like any and all WWII aircraft modelled in as much detail and realism. Problem is, it is impossible, currently. So we settle for the most used, most popular and most documented aircraft.

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A lot of it was over the P-38 not having contra-rotating props.  Gibbage was extremely blunt with the developers about that and did a walk out.

 

For some reason this reminds me of the Jet Blue flight attendant who can angry, thew a tantrum and decided to quit right there on the tarmac.

So he pulled the handle on the center escape door. The big inflatable slide came out, he slid down and walked off the job. Hehe

ShamrockOneFive
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A lot of it was over the P-38 not having contra-rotating props.  Gibbage was extremely blunt with the developers about that and did a walk out.

 

I think I remember that. The original IL-2 engine was designed for modeling a single engined aircraft (the IL-2) so they made a but of assumptions that didn't include twin engined aircraft in any detail and certainly not aircraft like the P-38 (or Hs129) with counter rotating propellers. It was a sore point for a long time. Eventually the 4.01 flight model arrived which changed everything...And introduced "the wobble" which we then dealt with for years.... but we did get counter rotating propeller modeling! :D

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His external model of the P38 had quite a few errors as well, though not as bad as the original P40 models for IL2.

 

Those were terrible.

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If we get P-38s (I hope to god that we do), where will they take off from? Were they taken off from carriers ever or will there be at least a small amount of land or a few Islands in each map?

ShamrockOneFive
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If we get P-38s (I hope to god that we do), where will they take off from? Were they taken off from carriers ever or will there be at least a small amount of land or a few Islands in each map?

 

Remember. The Pacific theater is not all carrier battles and island hoping.

 

A huge battle played out from 1942 through 1944 in the New Guinea and New Britain area. The USAAF and RAAF were the main allied forces here and this was very much an army/jungle campaign. Forces would fight through each others lines, setup a new airbase and begin operating from there. The P-38, P-39, P-40, P-47, A-20, B-25, Beaufort, and Beaufighter were some of the key types on the Allied side in these battles. Very much tactical air campaigns but over some sometimes immense distances and very sparsely populated jungle. The P-38 gave great service here with its speed, climb, firepower and twin engine reliability. In a P-40 if you took a hit you may be heading for a difficult extended stay in the jungle. A P-38 could potentially shut an engine down and fly a few hundred more kilometers.

 

The other area that P-38s were operating from was Henderson airfield complex at Guadalcanal. This was a bit more of the island hoping routine up "The Slot" and through the central Pacific. Its from here that P-38s flew a long range mission to intercept and ultimately shoot down and kill Admiral Yamamoto - one of the chief architects of the attack at Pearl Harbor.

 

I should add... The P-38 had a troubled existence on the Western Front in Europe. Its range was great but it struggled in the battle conditions there. In the Pacific, the P-38 was ascendant with some of the top USAAF scorers flying the P-38. This is very much where the P-38 established its reputation... not in Western Europe.

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I'd say that P-38 is still somewhat underrated, being always mentioned somewhere inbetween, when most of the glory goes to Hellcat and Corsair even though it was the Lightning that was first to get into fray and that cost them quite a few pilots as adapting to the enemy wasn't easy. Lightning also is a great looking warbird :)

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The other area that P-38s were operating from was Henderson airfield complex at Guadalcanal. This was a bit more of the island hoping routine up "The Slot" and through the central Pacific. Its from here that P-38s flew a long range mission to intercept and ultimately shoot down and kill Admiral Yamamoto - one of the chief architects of the attack at Pearl Harbor.

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ONE of the many reasons I keep pushing for a Guadalcanal/Henderson/Slot release before Okinawa or better yet Leyte. After the battle for Guadalcanal itself, other aircraft types move in, including the P-38. Not to mention other bases as islands up the slot are taken. (Blacksheep campaign anyone?) SO MUCH bang for the buck with map. Not to mention making better use of the career mode that theyre spending money to improve.

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I would also suggest the siege of Rabaul in 1943/44.  It's like the battle for Malta, Pacific style.  Amazing landscapes, long duration and just about every aircraft was there.

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Whoa, is this something official? Great in that case, especially if the ridiculous legal issues are cleared. 

 

Midway is a good choice but will of course require carriers. Doing a flyable B-17 for the Pacific seems like a huge waste since it is one of THE big ticket items if they do Western Europe.

 

Okinawa is also a really good choice, with an interesting late war plane set (the souped up Corsairs will be huge in multiplayer). Will require some extra work on the kamikazes though, which were the main aerial threat. Adding historcal details like Fighter Direction Teams on the picket destroyers shouldn't be too hard and would give a lot of flavour.

 

Apart from those..........Guadalcanal and Flying Tigers of course!

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Yes Duckman - official announcement :)

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As I said previously, I'd prefer we got the Battle of Guadalcanal rather than Midway. So much more to do esp in MP. Would be great if they did both!! :)

ShamrockOneFive
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Whoa, is this something official? Great in that case, especially if the ridiculous legal issues are cleared. 

 

Midway is a good choice but will of course require carriers. Doing a flyable B-17 for the Pacific seems like a huge waste since it is one of THE big ticket items if they do Western Europe.

 

Okinawa is also a really good choice, with an interesting late war plane set (the souped up Corsairs will be huge in multiplayer). Will require some extra work on the kamikazes though, which were the main aerial threat. Adding historcal details like Fighter Direction Teams on the picket destroyers shouldn't be too hard and would give a lot of flavour.

 

Apart from those..........Guadalcanal and Flying Tigers of course!

 

It's definitely official. Read to the end of this: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25072-announcing-battle-kuban-and-development-plan/

 

Midway is a near certainty while Okinawa is probable after although I think that is not as set in stone.

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Totally missed that announcement, but great to hear! Both battles are very good choices. I guess them being islands with no big cities helps a lot with development time and framerates, both of which they'll need if they're doing carriers.

 

Can't wait to climb into the Wildcat again!

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I should add... The P-38 had a troubled existence on the Western Front in Europe. Its range was great but it struggled in the battle conditions there. In the Pacific, the P-38 was ascendant with some of the top USAAF scorers flying the P-38. This is very much where the P-38 established its reputation... not in Western Europe.

 

Yes, the P-38 had troubles (all fighters had their issues).  However, the reason for their lack of success in the ETO dealt as much or more with timing (original escort philosophy, moving all P-38's to Africa from the UK, etc.), training (lack of proper training on dual engined birds), and command's prejudice against the P-38 facilitating poor morale among pilots concerning the plane.

 

Warren Bodie's quintessential book, "The Lockheed P-38 Lightning" explains all of this:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962935956/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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B-26B, G4M, and H6K could be included for Midway as well.  Having a B-17E would be a dream come true though   :)

 

As far as Okinawa goes I imagine an all USN/USMC selection featuring the F6F-5, FM-2, Helldiver, Avenger, and F4U as premium.  Japanese would get the  A6M5, Ki-61, Ki-45, D4Y, and Ki-84 as premium.  There are so many aircraft to choose from though its makes it hard to pick!

 

The Martin B26 Marauder is an excellent choice good one Dennis and my all time favorite. It was the most successful bomber of the war after some teething problems. In the 9th Air Force it served in Mediterranean(wrecked Monte Casino), Europe and the Pacific making it a good choice for it's relevance to upcoming additions to the game. HYPE!!!!! Like the C-47/DC-3 would be for Pacific and retrospectively for BOS/BOM/BOK as they were available to the Russians from Barbarossa's H-Hour AKA as the Li-2 made under licence. the C-47 is not ver exciting i know but, yaayy Martin B-26

ShamrockOneFive
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Yes, the P-38 had troubles (all fighters had their issues).  However, the reason for their lack of success in the ETO dealt as much or more with timing (original escort philosophy, moving all P-38's to Africa from the UK, etc.), training (lack of proper training on dual engined birds), and command's prejudice against the P-38 facilitating poor morale among pilots concerning the plane.

 

Warren Bodie's quintessential book, "The Lockheed P-38 Lightning" explains all of this:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962935956/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Oh for sure... the story of each warbird goes beyond just their performance but all of the stuff in the background too. I didn't know about the lack of training but the other stuff I knew about.

 

What I was trying to say is the the P-38, though well used in Europe, really made a name for itself in the Pacific where its features were appreciated a little more. It'd be shame to pass through the PTO without at some point focusing on the land battles and island hopping that featured such aircraft as the P-38.

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Hi hear with great sadness that the expected Midway release has been delayed. The reason given was lack of data for Japanese aircraft and ships.

 

As a past FM builder for WarBirds, Targetware and War Thunder I may have some data that could assist. It's  Been a few years since I did any building but the data I have collected could fill some gaps you may have? I have a number of Japanese manuals and tested data I have purchased, that builders may not have seen. I specialise in Japanese and Allied aircraft of the Pacific war, so my collection focuses on the data of these planes. If someone wants to contact me with a specific request in data, i'll see if i have anything for you. Happy to help if it mans I get to fly off carriers in the Pacific once more.

There is a strong following of pilots from past Pacific sims like Target Rabaul waiting and watching, the first company to create a good pacific sim will likely get their following. I myself have been waiting for the 'next best thing' for many many years.

Steve.

 

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ShamrockOneFive
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I see you've already posted in the Pacific Theater Assistance forum. You may want to message Jason Williams, Producer for the IL-2 series, as well. He really wants to do the Pacific and a great many players are interested. But it's also clear to me that he also wants to do it well and not just as a halfway measure.

 

If you have resources that help them fill some gaps... That would be amazing!

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Hi hear with great sadness that the expected Midway release has been delayed. The reason given was lack of data for Japanese aircraft and ships.

 

As a past FM builder for WarBirds, Targetware and War Thunder I may have some data that could assist. It's  Been a few years since I did any building but the data I have collected could fill some gaps you may have? I have a number of Japanese manuals and tested data I have purchased, that builders may not have seen. I specialise in Japanese and Allied aircraft of the Pacific war, so my collection focuses on the data of these planes. If someone wants to contact me with a specific request in data, i'll see if i have anything for you. Happy to help if it mans I get to fly off carriers in the Pacific once more.

There is a strong following of pilots from past Pacific sims like Target Rabaul waiting and watching, the first company to create a good pacific sim will likely get their following. I myself have been waiting for the 'next best thing' for many many years.

Steve.

I really hope you can fill at least some of the missing data devs are missing.

Either way a big thank you (from PTO fan)!

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