La5 vs Lagg vs Yak

[ESCOMM_FlyMaker]

Hello pilots!

Anyone can help-me telling the diference to these planes?

I feel La5 too slowly compared to Lagg

Yak is the best plane for me but Lagg Cannon make the diference. I dont see reason to use La5.

[SAG]

the La-5 is faster than the lagg and its best on the deck where it can chase down enemy planes with its awesome boost

[ShamrockOneFive]

The Yak-1 is excellent all around fighter with a very good turn rate, good top speed and climb, reasonable firepower, good cockpit visibility and average roll rate.

 

The LaGG-3 is a fairly average fighter with an average turn rate, ok top speed and average climb, excellent firepower, good cockpit visibility, and excellent roll rate.

 

The La-5 is a very good interceptor with an ok turn rate, an excellent top speed at low altitudes, concentrated firepower, only average cockpit visibility (over the nose is worse than the LaGG-3) and excellent roll rate.

 

Kind of the summary

 

The La-5 is kind of a boom and zoomer. You're better off running fast enemies down and popping them with the cannons than engaging in a turn fight.

[ESCOMM_FlyMaker]

I tried to fly La-5 altitude 3k ~ 4k. I feel the plane slowly compared to Lagg. Other reason i cant like La-5 so much is the huge energy lost, they loose speed so fast

[ShamrockOneFive]

I tried to fly La-5 altitude 3k ~ 4k. I feel the plane slowly compared to Lagg. Other reason i cant like La-5 so much is the huge energy lost, they loose speed so fast

 

Well... let's compare.

 

LaGG-3 Series 29:

 

 

Ground speed at sea level, engine mode - Nominal: 505 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 2000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 548 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 4000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 573 km/h

 

Service ceiling: 10500 m

Climb rate at sea level: 14.9 m/s

Climb rate at 3000 m: 13.3 m/s

Climb rate at 6000 m: 8 m/s

 

And the La-5 Series 8:

 

 

Ground speed at sea level, engine mode - Boosted: 544 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 3000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 571 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 6500 m, engine mode - Nominal: 603 km/h

 

Service ceiling: 9500 m

Climb rate at sea level: 18 m/s

Climb rate at 3000 m: 13.3 m/s

Climb rate at 6000 m: 8.2 m/s

Source: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?p=336140

 

Climb rates are remarkably similar but the La-5 has a speed advantage at every altitude.

 

It does loose speed quickly... yes. The La-5 Series 8 weighs a bit more than the LaGG-3 Series 29 does which increases the wing loading. Also the leading edge slats let you get away with a higher AoA than in the LaGG before you stall so you tend to go nose high in the La-5 more often and that bleeds even more speed.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[coconut]

Interesting curves. Performancewise, it seems the P40 could be a match for the E7 when both are using WEP. I know the P40 can't stay at WEP for long, but maybe it's enough for one dogfight.

 

Mig vs FW could also be fun. I know about the difficulties controlling the FW in dogfights, but the Mig can be tricky too.

 

Other than that, the performance difference between German fighters and Russian ones is pretty sobering (from VVS perspective), especially when looking at the F4 vs the BOM planeset.

[SpaydCBR]

 

I don't understand why these graphs always show that planes get faster as altitude increases yet in game the planes get slower (looking at the cockpit dial). What am I missing?

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

Where does this graphic comes from?

[Stig]

Your dial shows indicated air speed while the graph shows true air speed (TAS).

[von_Tom]

The speed is gauged by air pressure or something and as air is thinner at altitude the equipment interprets this as a lower speed.

 

So 150 Indicated Air Speed (IAS) might be 100 or 200 below True Air Speed (TAS) depending on the altitude.

 

That's as technical as I wish to get. I'm sure somebody else will give a better explanation. If you're that interested of course!

 

von Tom

Edited September 12, 2016 by von_Tom

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Nice to see that Mc202 is totally overkill. The most underestimated plane on series. That is my secret weapon. I would pay to see yaks pilots face when they realize that they cannot escape from the 202 even using magic flaps.

Edited September 12, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[SpaydCBR]

The speed is gauged by air pressure or something and as air is thinner at altitude the equipment interprets this as a lower speed.

 

So 150 Indicated Air Speed (IAS) might be 100 or 200 below True Air Speed (TAS) depending on the altitude.

 

That's as technical as I wish to get. I'm sure somebody else will give a better explanation. If you're that interested of course!

 

von Tom

I wasn't aware there were multiple speed metrics, but that actually made a lot of sense. Thanks!

[xThrottle_Geek]

I don't understand why these graphs always show that planes get faster as altitude increases yet in game the planes get slower (looking at the cockpit dial). What am I missing?

 

Indicated Airspeed (IAS) = The speed read right off the airspeed gauge

Calibrated Airspeed (CAS) = IAS corrected for instrumentation error (no two gauges and/or pitot-static systems are EXACTLY the same)

True Airspeed (TAS) = CAS adjusted for non-standard temperature and pressure

 

So,at sea level on a Standard day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere) and at low airspeeds, ALL THREE of these speeds would be the same (or very nearly the same). However, climb in altitude and the air pressure and temperature drops increasing the gap between what your airspeed indicator shows versus the actual TRUE AIRSPEED of the aircraft. 

 

Groundspeed = TAS adjusted for wind, to determine time enroute for navigating.

 

Hope this helped.

Edited September 12, 2016 by -Crowz-xThrottle_Geek

[ESCOMM_FlyMaker]

Nice discussion guys!

I will give a try to LA-5 again. Lets see what will happen to the germans!

[ACG_pezman]

The Yak is a jack of all trades, master of none.  By that I mean it is always outclassed in nearly every category by the 109 series.

 

However the LaGG-3 and La-5, while not being a jack of all trades, do master a couple of things better than the 109 series.

 

For the LaGG:

• Better Roll Rate
• Better Fire Power

For the La-5:

• Better Roll Rate
• Better top speed on the deck (F4 can give chase and run, but only on max ata, so eventually they have to slow down or blow their engines)
• Competitive climb rate below 2km

So, while I understand the Yak is good in all categories, it doesn't out preform the 109 (F and G) and is always at a disadvantage, albeit not a large one and one that can be easily overcame with competent flying.

 

However with the LaGG and La, you have a couple of things you know you can always do better than a 109, and that is basically just your ability to out roll your opponent.  If you are on the deck, you can run away with a La-5 or chase down with a decent zoom up into your enemy below 2k as long as you use your boost.

 

Truth is, all the aircraft preform fairly similarly to each other, so whatever makes you feel like you can win, then do it.

 

Also, this is just my opinion as well.

[56RAF_Roblex]

 

Groundspeed = TAS adjusted for wind, to determine time enroute for navigating.

 

Hope this helped.

 

Not really.   Groundspeed is exactly what it says it is, the speed you are travelling over the ground eg from a person on the grounds perspective.  There is no 'adjustment' for wind as such any more than your measured 1/4 mile speed in your car is adjusted for wind or wheelspin or fuel octane, it just 'is'  :-)      No doubt you know all this but I just thought your description might confuse someone.

[curiousGamblerr]

lol Roblex the Necromancer

[56RAF_Roblex]

Yeah Sorry     I was googling to see whether it was worth me getting an La-5 in the sale or buying BoS to get the Lagg & Yak1 so this topic was perfect.  I forgot I was not looking at 'New Content'   Doh! 

[curiousGamblerr]

No worries, just made me chuckle...

 

That's a tough question, La5 or BoS... I'd say BoS since you get a bunch of planes, but La5 is a lot of fun too so you can't go wrong!

[MacLeod]

Yeah Sorry I was googling to see whether it was worth me getting an La-5 in the sale or buying BoS to get the Lagg & Yak1 so this topic was perfect. I forgot I was not looking at 'New Content' Doh!

Just save on a couple of coffees and get both, you’ll be in for a treat!

[Royal_Flight]

Get BoS as it has the series 87 Peshka... forget being a fighter pilot, the Peshka is the best non-Spitfire in BoX.

Come over to the dark side of ground strike... always looking for more volunteers to feed into the attrition machine, haha

[E69_geramos109]

Lets see if my opinion helps you.

 

The yak is the all arround fighter. Is fast it keeps the dive with a 109 because you can close every radiator and your engine will keep runing for 10 mins with overheat that dont affects the performance. Yo can outturn a 109 at low speeds with magic stabilizer flaps and at hight speeds you can pull Gs like cracy. About firepower just aim and let the AP make the magic from 700m just trough the armor on the back, 400l of fuel and the armored seat of the pilot.

 

The lagg 3 is just retarded how it rolls and how you blow planes with guns that there were not used just on a few units. It turs not as good as yak and has no stalts but dont worry you can make barrels on stall way slower than any plane on the game, ask rambo and Elanski, and the overweight does not affect to recover the stall in less than 100m to make a vertical climb to snipe your overshoted oponent.

 

The la5 just can outdive a 109 and you will outrun it forever with the new engine-mod M82f just take off, put wep 100% time and you can turn it off when you land because is not necessary all that power for landing. You also can outroll any 190 and the russian slats are way more stable at low speeds than german stalts so you can also outmanouver poor 109s at low speeds and pull more Gs on hight speed to recover dives. Dont worry if the 109 has a trimable horizontal stab. Now is broken and you have a retarded delay when operating it so no possible for them to follow. The guns are just bleh used to lagg3 and the nose mounted gun on yaks.

 

I preffer the lagg over the yak and la5. I know the real pilots hate it and consider it a garbaje plane but here you will see all the aces flying this plane.

I hope this info helps you

Consider to use P2 in boom and zoom you can kill all the luft players that dont know to see their back and if you are in trouble just dive slowly to your arfield and let the Op gunner to make the kills for you so skill. And dont worry you dont need to find the optimum mixture, or temperature to be a killer.

Edited October 28, 2017 by E69_geramos109

[56RAF_Roblex]

The lagg 3 is just retarded how it rolls and how you blow planes with guns that there were not used just on a few units. It turs not as good as yak and has no stalts but dont worry you can make barrels on stall way slower than any plane on the game, ask rambo and Elanski,

 

Funny you should say that as earlier today I watched a 25 minute video of Rambo getting totally owned over & over by his friend Krupinski in an LA-5 :-)   

Edited October 29, 2017 by 56RAF_Roblex

[BraveSirRobin]

The lagg 3 is just retarded how it rolls and how you blow planes with guns that there were not used just on a few units. It turs not as good as yak and has no stalts but dont worry you can make barrels on stall way slower than any plane on the game, ask rambo and Elanski, and the overweight does not affect to recover the stall in less than 100m to make a vertical climb to snipe your overshoted oponent.

If that is the case, why are your 109 stats so much better than your Lagg stats?

[Caudron431]

I noticed that with some people flying the better planes most of the time: the less they get shot down the more frustrated and bitter they seem to become... the more their ego are in pain.

 

Listen to them: everything seems to have been done so that they are virtually left with nothing to fight against grossly overmodelled enemy AC (this is made in an attempt to humilitate the heroes they honor and identify with, or/and in an attempt by the victors to rewrite history), everything seems to have been taken from them. !!!!!!!!!!!!!Everything is a joke, a sad joke!!!!!!!!

But they won't give up, they will keep on fighting with the "undermodelled" AC against an unfairly and grossly overmodelled enemy, and they will still have higher stats and better possibility to win the fights (thank to their exceptional skill levels no doubt, they seem to see themselves as the best ever, the opposition can of course only cheat and game the game that was made so easy for them).

 

This is so close from chivalry, just like being a true knight... Apart of course that knights don't find excuses, that  they don't complain and troll on forum at each and every opportunity they have, that is...   Because in the ends it really looks like finding excuses for being shot down from times to times by inferior types. It kinda disturbing to me, even if clinically interesting.

 

In fact i think that they should be happy that the sim is not perfect, it gives them what they need the most: finding excuses for being shot down.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Caudron431Micha

[TRRA15]

I noticed that with some people flying the better planes most of the time: the less they get shot down the more frustrated and bitter they seem to become... the more their ego are in pain.

 

Listen to them: everything seems to have been done so that they are virtually left with nothing to fight against grossly overmodelled enemy AC (this is made in an attempt to humilitate the heroes they honor and identify with, or/and in an attempt by the victors to rewrite history), everything seems to have been taken from them. !!!!!!!!!!!!!Everything is a joke, a sad joke!!!!!!!!

But they won't give up, they will keep on fighting with the "undermodelled" AC against an unfairly and grossly overmodelled enemy, and they will still have higher stats and better possibility to win the fights (thank to their exceptional skill levels no doubt, they seem to see themselves as the best ever, the opposition can of course only cheat and game the game that was made so easy for them).

 

This is so close from chivalry, just like being a true knight... Apart of course that knights don't find excuses, that  they don't complain and troll on forum at each and every opportunity they have, that is...   Because in the ends it really looks like finding excuses for being shot down from times to times by inferior types. It kinda disturbing to me, even if clinically interesting.

 

In fact i think that they should be happy that the sim is not perfect, it gives them what they need the most: finding excuses for being shot down.

I got a nasty taste of this dynamic once from an OL flyer that seemed to be a "virtual" psychopath. I used to fly mainly 'Spits vs 109s' and 'Zekes vs Wildcats' but for a change I'd join some other full real server on Hyperlobby. One such one ( I forgot the name of it ) I was in a long-nose Fw-190D and found myself in a dogfight with some guy in a some newer model  Spitfire. It was the fight of my life and I found my pulse racing but it felt like more work than fun and I knew I'd end up losing. Anyway, I got a lucky deflection shot in that damaged his kite and I became able to "chip away" due to his degraded performance. Got the kill. I type/chatted "S" and the reply was "Go f#%& yourself".After I left the game I saw some personal messages HL chat and he said I ended a 20 or 30 ( I forgot ) long winning streak. At every reply he said he demanded silence, and that he was going to go to any server he saw me on and stick it to me in any way he found fit. It was as if his prowess on that server was the center of his self respect.  Never went there again and I joined my 2 normal servers by direct IP for a while. What a psycho....

 

Sorry if it's OT, it just piqued my memory.

[VesseL]

I noticed that with some people flying the better planes most of the time: the less they get shot down the more frustrated and bitter they seem to become... the more their ego are in pain.

 

Listen to them: everything seems to have been done so that they are virtually left with nothing to fight against grossly overmodelled enemy AC (this is made in an attempt to humilitate the heroes they honor and identify with, or/and in an attempt by the victors to rewrite history), everything seems to have been taken from them. !!!!!!!!!!!!!Everything is a joke, a sad joke!!!!!!!!

But they won't give up, they will keep on fighting with the "undermodelled" AC against an unfairly and grossly overmodelled enemy, and they will still have higher stats and better possibility to win the fights (thank to their exceptional skill levels no doubt, they seem to see themselves as the best ever, the opposition can of course only cheat and game the game that was made so easy for them).

 

This is so close from chivalry, just like being a true knight... Apart of course that knights don't find excuses, that  they don't complain and troll on forum at each and every opportunity they have, that is...   Because in the ends it really looks like finding excuses for being shot down from times to times by inferior types. It kinda disturbing to me, even if clinically interesting.

 

In fact i think that they should be happy that the sim is not perfect, it gives them what they need the most: finding excuses for being shot down.

 

 

Yes, there must be something there im sure. Could it be that the fumes from the engine somehow infect their minds.. or something that makes them act like that.. interesting.

Edited October 28, 2017 by VesseL

[E69_geramos109]

If that is the case, why are your 109 stats so much better than your Lagg stats?

My lagg3 stats are better just look the Taw. Just i fly 109 more often because is more chanllenging amd satisfaying for me.

[E69_geramos109]

You are wrong. I agree that 109 roll was retarded previously and the La5 shoul be faster. Nothing against that but here there are people that cant admite that there are things wrong on the sim. For them all is perfect and when the devs change the shim they have to shut up. It happens with the 190, the 110, the 109roll, the 20mm...

[BraveSirRobin]

My lagg3 stats are better just look the Taw. Just i fly 109 more often because is more chanllenging amd satisfaying for me.

Lol. Sure. And yet you only seem to have a single kill in the Lagg in WoL. Meanwhile, your WoL 109 stats indication that you’re not really being challenged in the 109.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Lets see if my opinion helps you.

 

The yak is the all arround fighter. Is fast it keeps the dive with a 109 because you can close every radiator and your engine will keep runing for 10 mins with overheat that dont affects the performance. Yo can outturn a 109 at low speeds with magic stabilizer flaps and at hight speeds you can pull Gs like cracy. About firepower just aim and let the AP make the magic from 700m just trough the armor on the back, 400l of fuel and the armored seat of the pilot.

 

 

 

This is complete nonsense.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Iceworm

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I got a nasty taste of this dynamic once from an OL flyer that seemed to be a "virtual" psychopath. I used to fly mainly 'Spits vs 109s' and 'Zekes vs Wildcats' but for a change I'd join some other full real server on Hyperlobby. One such one ( I forgot the name of it ) I was in a long-nose Fw-190D and found myself in a dogfight with some guy in a some newer model Spitfire. It was the fight of my life and I found my pulse racing but it felt like more work than fun and I knew I'd end up losing. Anyway, I got a lucky deflection shot in that damaged his kite and I became able to "chip away" due to his degraded performance. Got the kill. I type/chatted "S" and the reply was "Go f#%& yourself".After I left the game I saw some personal messages HL chat and he said I ended a 20 or 30 ( I forgot ) long winning streak. At every reply he said he demanded silence, and that he was going to go to any server he saw me on and stick it to me in any way he found fit. It was as if his prowess on that server was the center of his self respect. Never went there again and I joined my 2 normal servers by direct IP for a while. What a psycho....

 

Sorry if it's OT, it just piqued my memory.

Not a psychopath, just the lower elitist nerd's ego that is built around his stats in a video game, mostly on full real super realistic servers, because he cannot score with girls or other things IRL. Such people usually despise 'arcadey'-action loving pilots as well, because it is something allowing them to finally look down on others. Usually toxic, you can smell such guys once you enter the same teamspeak channel. Hence, when you shoot him apart, he feels threatened like the weakling he actually is.

 

You loving a good fight means you're in there for the blast. You don't need victory, because you're rooted already. So do not waste any thought about such weirdos, brother.

 

P.S. any plane becomes retarded if you close rads open up dive straight pull fully berry quickly. Whoops off go the ailerons - especially on the Yak.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Not a psychopath, just the lower elitist nerd's ego that is built around his stats in a video game, mostly on full real super realistic servers, because he cannot score with girls or other things IRL. Such people usually despise 'arcadey'-action loving pilots as well, because it is something allowing them to finally look down on others. Usually toxic, you can smell such guys once you enter the same teamspeak channel. Hence, when you shoot him apart, he feels threatened like the weakling he actually is.

 

You loving a good fight means you're in there for the blast. You don't need victory, because you're rooted already. So do not waste any thought about such weirdos, brother.

 

P.S. any plane becomes retarded if you close rads open up dive straight pull fully berry quickly. Whoops off go the ailerons - especially on the Yak.

I know plenty of Bad Losers and A-Holes with Girlfriends. And I'm not quite sure if I would call that kind of human a Nerd, rather than a Manchild.

Most Nerds I know stick to being nice and forthcoming almost fanatically, because that's one of the lessons you learn if you are otherwise socially somewhat inept. It helps you stay out of trouble.

And we lack that Trumpian excessive self esteem and self importance. 

 

I know there are plenty of "Nerds" with that disgusting "Nice Guy" Complex, but they are mostly just silent and sad until they commit suicide and sometimes run amok beforehand.

 

When People start flying off the Rails like that they are either Mentally Ill or Manchildren. 

 

But apart from Phrasing I totally agree with you. We also dealt with People flying off the Rails at us, calling us stupid *******'s and Vulchers when we intercepted them on Landing. And when that kind of behaviour wasn't punished we stopped partaking in that particular Co-Op and it's been going down hill ever since. 

But on the OT: The La-5 is Hands Down the best of the three. Better Performance everywhere, sturdy and long ranged. 

Edited October 28, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[E69_geramos109]

Lol. Sure. And yet you only seem to have a single kill in the Lagg in WoL. Meanwhile, your WoL 109 stats indication that you’re not really being challenged in the 109.

I said TAW... Read again please.

[E69_geramos109]

Haha i am having so much fun reading all this. Look the time i flought on servers and you are calling me nerd or whatever just to devaluate my speech. About my private life is not the matter of this forum and i am sure that is quite good on this aspects and i am so happy haha. But keep dreaming.

If you dont have sense of humor to read my post maybe you are the unhappy nerd boys here

Edited October 28, 2017 by E69_geramos109

[BraveSirRobin]

I said TAW... Read again please.

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I read it.  But I'm looking at your WoL stats.  Where you clearly are not being challenged in the 109, but don't have great Lagg stats.  I can't find your TAW stats. Not sure why they'd be significantly different.  Is Rambo covering for you on TAW?

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

 Too bad we don't have later 1943 variants of the LaGG-3, similar speeds at low altitude and climbrate to the Yak-1B apparently http://www.wio.ru/tacftr/lag.htm

 

Also a better looker with the canopy from the La-5 and retractable tail wheel

 

Edited October 29, 2017 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Stig]

Haha i am having so much fun reading all this. Look the time i flought on servers and you are calling me nerd or whatever just to devaluate my speech. About my private life is not the matter of this forum and i am sure that is quite good on this aspects and i am so happy haha. But keep dreaming.

If you dont have sense of humor to read my post maybe you are the unhappy nerd boys here

 

I don't think that anyone was calling you a nerd; that was relating to another divergent post    

[56RAF_Roblex]

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I read it.  But I'm looking at your WoL stats.  Where you clearly are not being challenged in the 109, but don't have great Lagg stats.  I can't find your TAW stats. Not sure why they'd be significantly different.  Is Rambo covering for you on TAW?

 

He does not have any TAW stats.  Perhaps he has not flown there for a while.