Hs-129 B-2 discussion

[Jade_Monkey]

fascinating plane. i look forward to flying it.

[LLv24_Zami]

fascinating plane. i look forward to flying it.

Me too. Very interesting bird.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Wish I could access my manuals but I'm on vacation right now.

 

The Mk.103 is your primary choice for anti tank duty (the Hs-129 was also used for anti infantry and convoi strafing duty with SD-2 bombletts and later hollow charge anti tank bombs, but I doubt we'll get those).

 

However, the 37 mm already has a hard time cracking those Kvs and sometines even T-34s so I don't expect the Henschel to perform any superiour to the Ju-87 G-1.

 

The real strengh in the design lies in the armour protection however, which is a unique feauture for a Luftwaffe aircraft. The pilot was situated in a fully armoured "bath tub" while crutial patts of the aircraft like engine cowlings and controll lincages reccieved armour as well.

 

Speed wise it's similar to the Stuka amd noticeably inferiour to the Bf-110, whicj is not important for the task it has to fullfill.

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[MiloMorai]

Cheap book as in $$ Hs 129.

 

 

Bernad.  History and development of the Lufwaffe's tank killer. Includes the Hs 129A, Hs 129B-0/B-1, Hs 129B-2, and Hs 129B-3 variants.  Also covers operations in North Africa and the Eastern Front, as well as use by Rumania. 100 b/w photos, line drawings, 10 full-color profiles and 3 cover paintings; 50 pages.

[csThor]

The /Wa designation is a company-internal designation of Henschel. It denominates an aircraft that was picked off the assembly line specifically to conduct armament tests with various Rüstsätze.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

How much ammo can the Hs-129 take for the 30mm cannons? I guess its the same amount for MK 101 and MK 103 since its the same ammo type

[Gunsmith86]

How much ammo can the Hs-129 take for the 30mm cannons? I guess its the same amount for MK 101 and MK 103 since its the same ammo type

 

The Hs-129 with MK 101 used a 30 round drum magazine

 

The Hs-129 with MK 103 used boxes with 80 rounds

Edited September 11, 2016 by Gunsmith86

[Asgar]

80 rounds seems solid (depending on how many we'll actually need to take out a tank) Sounds like it could be a lot of fun

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Thanks for the info

[BlitzPig_EL]

 Sounds like it could be a lot of fun

 

 

It was fun to fly in '46 on the desert maps, taking out vehicles and artillery, and even straffing the occasional undefended airfield, but the the fun ends abruptly when an enemy fighter shows up.  Without escort you are a defenseless sitting duck.  You can't run, you can't maneuver, and you can't really bring your guns to bear on a fighter if the pilot of the fighter is even remotely competent.  Sending Henschels  into an area where you don't have local air superiority is like throwing eggs at a stone wall.  You will never get the eggs back.

Edited September 11, 2016 by BlitzPig_EL

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

It was fun to fly in '46 on the desert maps, taking out vehicles and artillery, and even straffing the occasional undefended airfield, but the the fun ends abruptly when an enemy fighter shows up.  Without escort you are a defenseless sitting duck.  You can't run, you can't maneuver, and you can't really bring your guns to bear on a fighter if the pilot of the fighter is even remotely competent.  Sending Henschels  into an area where you don't have local air superiority is like throwing eggs at a stone wall.  You will never get the eggs back.

But at least the eggs are armored so theres a chance they will survive  

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

True that.

 

But not so much on the top of the airframe...

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Yes, I remember trying to sneak through at very low altitude on the desert map, trying to use canyons and terrain to avoid being spotted. There way always one damned P-39 that would patrol the rear area at equally low altitude and spoil my fun. Clear skies + "dot" rendering = dead. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I had a ton of fun flying the Hs129 in IL-2 1946 online scenarios. You stay low, you hope you get some local escort, and you try and deliver your bombs/guns on target and get out before someone notices.

 

It doesn't have much of a chance against enemy fighters... Although I shot down a few unwary types and I got one Yak-3 one time with the 75mm on the Hs129B-3. It was kind of an accident but nonetheless... He blew up... big time

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

I had a ton of fun flying the Hs129 in IL-2 1946 online scenarios.

 

Yeah it was fun to fly, the fire extinguishers were also cool to have (and needed xD).

[Pierre64]

To whom it may concern for future skins...

[707shap_Srbin]

 

 

To whom it may concern for future skins.

 

I'll tell You more....  

[wtornado]

I can wait to see if it will be modeled like they said it flew in my magazines.

 

Heavy on take-off and sluggish because of its payload and armor weight.

 

It had 3 inches of plated glass if i remember correctly I like to fly it in the

old 1946 HSFX.

[Cybermat47]

TBH, I think that the Duck with a MK 101 or MK 103 is a much better tank killer than the 37mm Stuka.

[Scarecrow]

I was really excited to see the inclusion of the Duck. I loved TD's one in 1946

[Feathered_IV]

TBH, I think that the Duck with a MK 101 or MK 103 is a much better tank killer than the 37mm Stuka.

 

 

I was really excited to see the inclusion of the Duck. I loved TD's one in 1946

 

 

1946 has a duck that kills tanks??? 

Must be one hell of a duck.

[Irgendjemand]

Wish I could access my manuals but I'm on vacation right now.

 

The Mk.103 is your primary choice for anti tank duty (the Hs-129 was also used for anti infantry and convoi strafing duty with SD-2 bombletts and later hollow charge anti tank bombs, but I doubt we'll get those).

 

However, the 37 mm already has a hard time cracking those Kvs and sometines even T-34s so I don't expect the Henschel to perform any superiour to the Ju-87 G-1.

 

The real strengh in the design lies in the armour protection however, which is a unique feauture for a Luftwaffe aircraft. The pilot was situated in a fully armoured "bath tub" while crutial patts of the aircraft like engine cowlings and controll lincages reccieved armour as well.

 

Speed wise it's similar to the Stuka amd noticeably inferiour to the Bf-110, whicj is not important for the task it has to fullfill.

I hope the lack of need to shoot at convergencerange will help with that. You can strike home many more than just 2 rounds. IMHO if its a stable gunplatform and has more ammo than the 87 it might be much easier to shoot tanks than with the JU.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[Danziger]

This and the A-20 are the planes that get me excited for Kuban. Well the A5 also but mostly this ugly duck.

[Danziger]

Is there any recommended good reading on this plane? I would like to learn about it as this is the most interesting Axis plane for me so far.

[ShamrockOneFive]

War Is Boring did a pretty good featurette on the Hs129. Its not a glowing review but it speaks to the necessity of a dedicated tank buster and how the Hs129 was deeply flawed yet desperately needed.

 

https://warisboring.com/the-hs-129-was-supposed-to-be-the-a-10-of-world-war-ii-75391cfe6ee3#.k55pzl6tm

 

Regardless of reputation. I'm very excited to fly the Hs129 again!

[Finkeren]

The same old story: Too heavy design for too weak an engine.

[707shap_Srbin]

Martin Pegg. Panzerjager! Henschel Hs129. PM me if You will not find it.

[LukeFF]

In addition to Martin Pegg's book, these are also good Hs 129 resources:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-HS-129-action-Aircraft/dp/0897474287/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-1&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-Hs129-Military-Aircraft-Detail/dp/1857802381/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-4&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Hs-129-Combat-Sch-Air-Miniatures/dp/8389088150/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-5&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-Denes-Bernad-Haladej-Stachura/dp/8090126391/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-9&keywords=hs+129

[Danziger]

Thanks guys!

Edited November 27, 2016 by BorysVorobyov

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

My suggestion is that you guys need to think bigger 

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[RCAF-De_Havilland]

I for one welcome our new panzerquacker overlord in any form

[Wulf]

My suggestion is that you guys need to think bigger 

 

Hs129.jpg

 

 

OMG, if the thing wasn't bad enough to fly to start with I'll bet that frinking great gun turned it into a total nightmare.   Just imagine trying to maneuver that beast at low altitude.  Bloody hell, good luck with that m8!

[707shap_Srbin]

Guys, for all who are interested in Hs129-related books, look into my Google disc.

[Asgar]

Guys, for all who are interested in Hs129-related books, look into my Google disc.

thanks

[Chief_Mouser]

Guys, for all who are interested in Hs129-related books, look into my Google disc.

Excellent! Thankyou very much.

Cheers.

[Habu]

In addition to Martin Pegg's book, these are also good Hs 129 resources:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-HS-129-action-Aircraft/dp/0897474287/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-1&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-Hs129-Military-Aircraft-Detail/dp/1857802381/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-4&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Hs-129-Combat-Sch-Air-Miniatures/dp/8389088150/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-5&keywords=hs+129

https://www.amazon.com/Henschel-Denes-Bernad-Haladej-Stachura/dp/8090126391/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209631&sr=8-9&keywords=hs+129

Thanks Luke.

 

Do you have all that one ?

 

If yes which one give that kind of information : Airfield used, name of squadron and quantity of plane (everything which could be usefull for mission builder) ?

[LukeFF]

Thanks Luke.

 

Do you have all that one ?

 

If yes which one give that kind of information : Airfield used, name of squadron and quantity of plane (everything which could be usefull for mission builder) ?

 

Yes, I have all of those books. I would say this one would be the best for mission building.

[Habu]

Thanks LukeFF. i'm going to order it.

[707shap_Srbin]

Also, try theese books.

 

 

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/dive-bomber-and-ground-attack-units-of-the-luftwaffe-1933-1945-volume-1-9781906537081-classic-publications-9781906537081-ww2-german-units/product/?action=prodinfo&art=87570

https://www.aviationmegastore.com/dive-bomber-and-ground-attack-units-of-the-luftwaffe-1933-1945-volume-2-9781906537098-classic-publications-9781906537098-ww2-german-units/product/?action=prodinfo&art=90253

 

 

I would say this one would be the best for mission building.

 

LukeFF - Kagero is stinky Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V (copy-paster) editions. There are primary sourses without this Kagero crap. For mission building information, Martin Pegg's book will be the most fit. Also, L.De Zeng's two volums will provide all airfields e.t.c. information. 

Edited November 27, 2016 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[Habu]

Thanks Panzerbar.