Flying the Fw 190 A-3 is challenging

[Luft1942]

     +100

TIL I'm a masochist for flying the 190 xD I might not be an expert pilot but I do alright in my 109s. Usually I can bag 3-4 guys in a sortie before I'm shot down but this 190 has made me it's, excuse my French, bitch lol

[Turban]

I've given you hard facts, an accelerated stall only leads to a full spin if the pilot persistently does the wrong thing but obviously you're too much of a fucking idiot and an attention whoring shitposter to admit that that there's a problem here or that there's any merit in any parts of the dialogue on this forum that don't fit your agenda, which I suspect is more about your ego and how cool you look rather in front of your friends than it is about offering any actual feedback that might be of useful assistance in the improvement Fw-190 flight model. 

 

I've patiently spoon fed you the the factual details of the problem regarding the consequences of an accelerated stall being wrong in several posts now and you repeatedly ignore it, so that's it, I'm not wasting any more time on you.

 

Ok mods, send me to the cooler.

 

 

 

...My agenda ? Sure I have one : prevent this sim from engaging into a race to the bottom where planes have to meet people's expectations despite their lack of skills.

 

Most people complaining about the FW can't do much ingame regardless of the plane, and were hoping the FW would bring some gloryto them . But it doesn't work like that so they hate on it.

 

Regardings posts and hard facts everything is in the FM forums I'm not gonna repeat myself forever.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Turban

[C6_iceheart]

TIL I'm a masochist for flying the 190 xD I might not be an expert pilot but I do alright in my 109s. Usually I can bag 3-4 guys in a sortie before I'm shot down but this 190 has made me it's, excuse my French, bitch lol

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

...My agenda ? Sure I have one : prevent this sim from engaging into a race to the bottom where planes have to meet people's expectations despite their lack of skills.

 

Most people complaining about the FW can't do much ingame regardless of the plane, and were hoping the FW would bring some gloryto them . But it doesn't work like that so they hate on it.

 

Regardings posts and hard facts everything is in the FM forums I'm not gonna repeat myself forever.

I stand with you. The Russians reported the 190s to prefer Hit and Head-On Attacks. The German Instructions for Aircombat against La-5s always cautioned the 190 Pilots to extend at around 400kph in a shallow Climb and draw the enemy upwards. With seperation of around 1.5 to 2.5 km I can normally turn around in a Mix of Chandelle/Stall Turn/Immelmann at around 220-250kph without Problem and then meet him Head On. 

 

This is what the Instructions Say, and that is what works  flawlessly almost all the time. After the First Head-On, if you miss, you can continue the fight in a Figure of Eight in rapid succession. Basically flying straight for a bit while they slowly turn around, then  you use your excess speed to face them, head-on and repeat. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Dr_Molem]

The German Instructions for Aircombat against La-5s always cautioned the 190 Pilots to extend at around 400kph in a shallow Climb and draw the enemy upwards.

 

Source of this ?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Source of this ?

Searching for it right now. 

 

Rechlin Test 90014, look for the original, I can't be bothered. 

 

Full Thing: (Translated from E-Stelle Rechlin Test most likely 109G-6 and 190A-8) 

http://uberjager.blogspot.de/2013/09/lavochkin-la-5fn-test-report.html

 

Specific Part for us: 

 

 

And don't come at me with the 'Later Model' BS, I know. 

I'm just taking the Tactical Advice compared to the 109, putting it into Practice and it works. It would also explain the use of the Head On Attacks Recorded by the Russian Pilots. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[MadisonV44]

I'm quiet amused with forum aces spreading their sources and book readings and not flying the 190. Historical reference is not the subject, we are all aligned on that. We all read tons of books and 90% of people here know how the 190 were handled to be efficient in their flight domain. Of course you will find back your source, and we will not contradict you on this point.

 

The real point is that this is not 100% applicable in the game since a few patch 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I'm quiet amused with forum aces spreading their sources and book readings and not flying the 190. Historical reference is not the subject, we are all aligned on that. We all read tons of books and 90% of people here know how the 190 were handled to be efficient in their flight domain. Of course you will find back your source, and we will not contradict you on this point.

 

The real point is that this is not 100% applicable in the game since a few patch 

I'm no Ace, I'm a Zerstörer by heart. But I also like to contrast and compare. 

 

The Thing I find is that apparently people come at the 190 from the 109. The 109 has lower wing loading, better P/W ratio, heavier controls and Slats, against the 190 without all that. 

That means the transitioning Pilots tend to Manhandle the 190 far more, in an aircraft that doesn't have Slats to correct your errors and thus suffer the consequences. 

Since I regularly fly ALL Aircraft ingame I think I can confidently say that the 190 is not bad or 'porked', It is exactly what I would expect from an Aircraft with it'S features and measurements.

 

When it is described as a Joy to fly, you have to understand that the same way a Soldier describes his rifle. And that is that 99% of the time he doesn't fire it. He will describe to you it's ease of disassembly, cleaning, lightness, size, and when he talks combat he will most likely describe it's reliability, quickness and size of the Sightpicture and Recoil, less about damage or accuracy.

When the 190 Pilots talks joy to fly, he will most likely describe it's behaviour in normal flight, how light it is in the controls, how easily it maintains altitude and course, effectiveness of trim, linear handling, responsiveness, Idiot Proof Engine, Flaps and Landing Gear etc. 

Since we know how German Pilots were trained to always avoid Turning Dogfights I think they would describe it as Joyful, because mostly they would avoid turning after the enemy at all cost, but use their excess Speed to regain Energy and fly another Attack. 

 

The accelerated Stall happens only when you pull the Stick to the Belly, which you wouldn't because IRL you would stop pulling harder when it starts buffeting and warning you.

The Ingame Fw190 when flown by a Pilot who is not some 1 Dimensional Hartmann Cartoon will do a brief Snap of maybe 30-270° and is quickly recovered by centering the controls. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[-TBC-AeroAce]

+1000 to above

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The Spin (what you call accelerated Stall) can quickly be recovered with neutral Elevator, negative rudder and positive aileron. No Problem. 

 

I feel I'll have to make a couple short instructional films to demonstrate to the whiners that you just suck. 

 

Coming from the world of Gliding, there is a very popular Instructor, the Schleicher K-13. 

If you ask Pilots that learned on it (proudly including me) most would describe it's flight characteristics as 'joyful', it has very low Stall Speed and is great in Thermals. It is favoured by Students for it's responsiveness and stability. YET it is also the Aircraft that most flight Schools use for Spinning and Stalling Exercise, because when handled poorly it does some beautiful and very stable Spins, much better than other instructuional types. 

So one Statement about flight characeristics can be just as true as the other. 

 

This is a Joyful Insturctor Aircraft to fly, with very few Vices: (This is a student before the first Solo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RU7Wm2fGDs

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[F/JG300_Gruber]

 

I have asked people to show ingame footage of an unrecoverable spin in the FW 190. I haven't experienced a spin that could not be recovered.

 

 

+1

 

Haven't experienced it as well. The only issue is, once you recovered, you have to be higher than with most other planes to pull out of the subsequent dive without smacking the ground hard, or get into another spin (which yield the same result).

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

+1

 

Haven't experienced it as well. The only issue is, once you recovered, you have to be higher than with most other planes to pull out of the subsequent dive without smacking the ground hard, or get into another spin (which yield the same result).

The most altitude I have lost was around 500m when recovering the spin within the first revolution from flight in flat plane. 

 

I know that under the stresses of Air Combat even I often don't have the patience to fully recover it, especially at low altitude, leading to an untimely, though not undeserved early demise. 

The Problem is that pushing against the spin, get's you into an inverted spin all the same. So you really have to just give it neutral elevator, counter rudder and positive aileron, just as in every other aircraft.

Just that in other aircraft pushing isn't as punishing as in this. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[F/JG300_Gruber]

I haven't measured it myself, but the others plane lose less than that.

It can be a problem when bounced flying low and you have to break sharp to avoid enemy fire.

 

But I'm not saying that it's not the pilot's fault  

[MadisonV44]

@Klaus_mann : Nerver said spin were unrecoverable. Never said it didn't exist. You carry on hiding behind your books.

 

Previous patch were almost in line with your description BUT current behavior seems exaggerated (not only stall, but also speed degradation) .That's all ! It's my feeling. Can we have a different feeling without being compared to Hartman's caricatures ?  

 

Last but not least, don't loose your time with instructional films and condescending approach :  show us live.

I'm not flying anymore so it will be a good occasion to connect online and fire up the sim as a spectator. 

[Stig]

It's ok to have feelings.

[Dr_Molem]

Searching for it right now. 

 

Rechlin Test 90014, look for the original, I can't be bothered. 

 

Full Thing: (Translated from E-Stelle Rechlin Test most likely 109G-6 and 190A-8) 

http://uberjager.blogspot.de/2013/09/lavochkin-la-5fn-test-report.html

 

Specific Part for us: 

 

 

And don't come at me with the 'Later Model' BS, I know. 

I'm just taking the Tactical Advice compared to the 109, putting it into Practice and it works. It would also explain the use of the Head On Attacks Recorded by the Russian Pilots. 

 

Well, where does it is written that FW-190 pilots had to, as you said "extend at around 400kph" ?

[unreasonable]

The "pull away in a high-speed shallow climb" mentioned 6 lines from the bottom?

[MadisonV44]

The only difference is that in BOS you will need at least half a map(*) to widen the gap and reach your ideal climbing speed.

Most of the time, before you reach it, most of the planeset available will be in capacity to catch you again in a glance, even after a 180 turn. 

 

(*) don't take your calculators, it's an image to illustrate Mr. Maths Curves ...  

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The only difference is that in BOS you will need at least half a map(*) to widen the gap and reach your ideal climbing speed.

Most of the time, before you reach it, most of the planeset available will be in capacity to catch you again in a glance, even after a 180 turn. 

 

(*) don't take your calculators, it's an image to illustrate Mr. Maths Curves ...  

Ingame you know you have extended well enough is by seeing the frustrated russian Pilot giving up and banking away in the distance. 

From Co-Energy you need some time to extend, but in any case, he isn't catching you, and by staying with you for the 3-5 Minutes it takes you yourself to get into to position, he is setting himself up for a Drag 'n Bag by your Rottenflieger (Wingman). The Trick is by extending perfectly straight.

If you try and Spiralclimb, no matter how shallow and wide you think it is, he can cut the corner and climb steeper, where he has the advantage. 

 

Unfortunately the russians always give up around after 2-3 Minutes and bank away, trying to bait me into getting close again. So I rarely have the opportunity to go Face them. 

[Willy__]

Ingame you know you have extended well enough is by seeing the frustrated russian Pilot giving up and banking away in the distance. 

 

Nope, 3 out 4 times the russian pilot will chase you to the german airfield or even beyond that if he needs to. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by JAGER_Staiger

[MadisonV44]

Unfortunately the russians always give up around after 2-3 Minutes and bank away, trying to bait me into getting close again. So I rarely have the opportunity to go Face them. 

 

Sincerely, are you flying online ?

Red seems to know much better the FW than you do. Most of the time they never give up.

They are waiting you to fly exactly as you described : straight line to catch you with their laser bullets. Once damaged, even slightly you are done   

[Sunde]

Sincerely, are you flying online ?

Red seems to know much better the FW than you do. Most of the time they never give up.

They are waiting you to fly exactly as you described : straight line to catch you with their laser bullets. Once damaged, even slightly you are done   

You wrote above that you dont fly anymore, so how do you know that the 190 handles as you claim? Also how do you know what the "reds seem to know the fw better than others", since you dont fly anymore? 

Sincerely. 

[Caudron431]

 

 

Ingame you know you have extended well enough is by seeing the frustrated russian Pilot giving up and banking away in the distance. 

From Co-Energy you need some time to extend, but in any case, he isn't catching you, and by staying with you for the 3-5 Minutes it takes you yourself to get into to position, he is setting himself up for a Drag 'n Bag by your Rottenflieger (Wingman). The Trick is by extending perfectly straight.

If you try and Spiralclimb, no matter how shallow and wide you think it is, he can cut the corner and climb steeper, where he has the advantage. 

 

Unfortunately the russians always give up around after 2-3 Minutes and bank away, trying to bait me into getting close again. So I rarely have the opportunity to go Face them. 

 

Most people won't probably believe in your tactics, because extending, knowing when and how to disengage and extend before it is too late, is one of the most difficult thing to do.

 

It's a real fight between greed and humility.

 

@Klaus_mann : Nerver said spin were unrecoverable. Never said it didn't exist. You carry on hiding behind your books.

 

Previous patch were almost in line with your description BUT current behavior seems exaggerated (not only stall, but also speed degradation) .That's all ! It's my feeling. Can we have a different feeling without being compared to Hartman's caricatures ?  

 

Last but not least, don't loose your time with instructional films and condescending approach :  show us live.

I'm not flying anymore so it will be a good occasion to connect online and fire up the sim as a spectator. 

 

You should perhaps keep on flying and practising, maybe you can still learn something new by trying to fight in a different manner, i don't know.

 

When you ask someone to make a video on how to fly the Fw190A while saying that you yourself don't fly the sim anymore, you take the risk of looking like a guy who is scared to make a video of yourself fighting in the FW190A to show us all what is wrong with it.

 

Normally it is up to those complaining to provide videos about what is wrong, no?

 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Yak9Micha

[Turban]

The only difference is that in BOS you will need at least half a map(*) to widen the gap and reach your ideal climbing speed.

Most of the time, before you reach it, most of the planeset available will be in capacity to catch you again in a glance, even after a 180 turn. 

 

(*) don't take your calculators, it's an image to illustrate Mr. Maths Curves ...  

 

Oh the hyperbole, oh the drama. 

 

Truth is, if you make the right decisions at the right time it will take only a few seconds.

 

But yeah... drama is easier...

 

[Crump]

 

 

Well, where does it is written that FW-190 pilots had to, as you said "extend at around 400kph" ?

 

It says to avoid prolonged turning dogfights.  Prolonged is the key word that seems to be overlooked and turned into "avoid turn fights". 

 

What the Luftwaffe combat trials tell me is that the FW-190 holds the level speed, agility, dive, and sustained climb above 3000 meters over the La-5FN series....not the La-5 in your game.

 

Nowhere does it recommend not dogfighting with the La-5FN.  Fighters are designed to wrestle the skies away from other fighters.

 

It says the FW-190 pilot can use the level turn fight to bleed La-5FN pilots speed and then use the FW-190's agility/dive/level speed/zoom to gain energy advantage to switch to the vertical.  

 

A well executed lag displacement roll would obviously eliminate the need to switch to the vertical for the FW-190 pilot.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It says to avoid prolonged turning dogfights.  Prolonged is the key word that seems to be overlooked and turned into "avoid turn fights". 

 

What the Luftwaffe combat trials tell me is that the FW-190 holds the level speed, agility, dive, and sustained climb above 3000 meters over the La-5FN series....not the La-5 in your game.

 

Nowhere does it recommend not dogfighting with the La-5FN.  Fighters are designed to wrestle the skies away from other fighters.

 

It says the FW-190 pilot can use the level turn fight to bleed La-5FN pilots speed and then use the FW-190's agility/dive/level speed/zoom to gain energy advantage to switch to the vertical.  

 

A well executed lag displacement roll would obviously eliminate the need to switch to the vertical for the FW-190 pilot.

"Not to let the Speed Drop and avoid prolonged turning dogfights (which means anything more than a 180° turn.)"

"Turning times are better than 8-190 and worse than those of 8-109"

"Aileron Effectiveness is better than that of 8-109 (and therefore only slightly worse than 8-190)" 

 

Letting the Speed Drop is part of Dogfighting. In combination with the "8-190 accelerates less well [than La-5FN]" I think it's pretty clear that they discourage Manouverfighting to the highest degree. 

 

Our Fw190A-3 is less powerful than the A-8 in that test, Our La-5 is worse to a similar degree to the La-5FN, so the comparison is not 100% off.

And since the La-5 was the worst manouvering russian Aircraft and the best climbing, the advice against Yaks and LaGGs would be the same. 

Climb Fast and Shallow, avoid Manouvering with the enemy, Hit, Head-On and Run. 

Edited September 12, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Irgendjemand]

Klaus Mann should rename to Klauski Manjewowitsch or something like that an migrate to russia.

Just kidding:P

 

Btw. Your last sentence should be corrected to "Run, run and run until youre at friendly airfield and hope flak saves you" if you encounter co E. Since in fact there is nothing else you can do against an skilled pilot in a YAK-1, LA5 or MIG3.

 

I got hundreds of hours in the FW. I am not the best but i am also not shaite virtupilot. And i know lots of other FW jockeys that would tell you the same.

All your tacticssuggestions come solely from theory and might apply in the real thing. But NOT in BOS with the FW 190 A3 FM we have right now.

IF they would apply in game there wouldnt be 100000 threads that say otherwise.

[Turban]

 

Btw. Your last sentence should be corrected to "Run, run and run until youre at friendly airfield and hope flak saves you" if you encounter co E. Since in fact there is nothing else you can do against an skilled pilot in a YAK-1, LA5 or MIG3.

 

 

Only the LA5 constitutes a real threat. The Mig 3 ..lol..not so much. It accelerates very slowly, doesn't go fast, has bad roll and is actually harder to fly than the FW 190, with much nastier behavior. It's the fish in the barrel and the FW 190 is clearly superior in every aspects.

The fact that you imply the FW can't do anything against one speaks volume...

[Asgar]

I've flown both the MiG and the Fw and i feel like the MiG-3 is definitely easier to handle

[Turban]

I've been in a low alt dogfight with a Mig.. I think he stalled and crashed ... 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

"Not to let the Speed Drop and avoid prolonged turning dogfights (which means anything more than a 180° turn.)"

"Turning times are better than 8-190 and worse than those of 8-109"

"Aileron Effectiveness is better than that of 8-109 (and therefore only slightly worse than 8-190)" 

 

Letting the Speed Drop is part of Dogfighting. In combination with the "8-190 accelerates less well [than La-5FN]" I think it's pretty clear that they discourage Manouverfighting to the highest degree. 

 

Our Fw190A-3 is less powerful than the A-8 in that test, Our La-5 is worse to a similar degree to the La-5FN, so the comparison is not 100% off.

And since the La-5 was the worst manouvering russian Aircraft and the best climbing, the advice against Yaks and LaGGs would be the same. 

Climb Fast and Shallow, avoid Manouvering with the enemy, Hit, Head-On and Run. 

 

The comparison is 100% off. Next thing we can compare the Dora with Mustang, will tell us as much about the characteristics.

 

190-A8 is heavier, worse in manouvering, worse in turning overall then A3.

The La5-FN is lighter then the La-5, way better in manouvering, more nimble, miles better in climb.

 

Absolute nonsense to compare those 2 birds, and trying to reflect anything on the in-game planes

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Klaus Mann should rename to Klauski Manjewowitsch or something like that an migrate to russia.

Just kidding:P

 

Btw. Your last sentence should be corrected to "Run, run and run until youre at friendly airfield and hope flak saves you" if you encounter co E. Since in fact there is nothing else you can do against an skilled pilot in a YAK-1, LA5 or MIG3.

 

I got hundreds of hours in the FW. I am not the best but i am also not shaite virtupilot. And i know lots of other FW jockeys that would tell you the same.

All your tacticssuggestions come solely from theory and might apply in the real thing. But NOT in BOS with the FW 190 A3 FM we have right now.

IF they would apply in game there wouldnt be 100000 threads that say otherwise.

My real Name would Translate rather crappily into russian. And I'll have to freshen up my russian a bit again (Yay to growing up in Eastern Germany, at least one useful language learned) but I think Siberia or Murmansk would suit me. Just as soon as I have my Engineering Degree and Job Perspective there. 

 

What I have encountered works best against Yak and LaGG is a sort of Wave Climb, WEP at 350 in the climb, the Yak overheats, has to open up. At that point you flatten out again a bit, accelerate to 400-450 and ease back on the throttle again, pull to 400 again. Just vary between speed and climb, because that really fucks with the Yaks engine temperature and slows him down. 

You shouldn't be afraid to use WEP for the first extension, after that you can Head-On in a Figure of 8 without additional power. 

And I used these and was only let down by my relatively Shit Gunnery. The russians also seem to either completly avoid you or wanting to Crash and Die. 

 

The 190 flies exactly the way you would expect it to. Heavy, Underpowered but Fast. It's extremely responsive and chats with you constantly about where the Limits are. 

I've seen many seasoned Pilots do beginners Errors, I've watched their Videos etc. and seen many of them fail trying to do Stuff that works in 109s, but kills you in the 190. 

I've shot down 190s in I-16s, 6./ZG26_Emil can tell you a story about a 190 we chased for almost 20 Minutes, in which, had he decided correctly, could have killed both of us, but he wasted speed, tried to manouver and escape in a number of ways, and in the end we outwitted him and shot him down while he was trying to land. 

People do a lot of stupid Stuff like trying to Loop OVER the enemy and the wonder why I kill them in an I-16.

The Roll around and Scissor a lot, wasting their speed while I follow them in a straight line and just energy my way around them. 

 

And then there were times when the 190s flew correctly, and those were the times I was powerless, no matter the plane I was in. Those were the times when we were their playthings. Those were the times when they would drag n bag up to 3 of our fighters in one Pass. 

 

Every Time I get killed in the 190 it's when I'm alone and in a Bad Situation to begin with, with an enemy that has all the advantages and knows how to use them. 

 

Everything I experience in it is exactly as it was reported from both sides. 

Edited September 12, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The comparison is 100% off. Next thing we can compare the Dora with Mustang, will tell us as much about the characteristics.

 

190-A8 is heavier, worse in manouvering, worse in turning overall then A3.

The La5-FN is lighter then the La-5, way better in manouvering, more nimble, miles better in climb.

 

Absolute nonsense to compare those 2 birds, and trying to reflect anything on the in-game planes

 

Ingame it's Slower 190 against Slower La-5

Worse Climbing 190 against worse climbing La-5

The A-8 also had a ton more Power than the A-3. 

 

Ingame the 190 outturns the La-5 with ease. 

However, turning combat is never advisable when you have superior performance. 

Edited September 12, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[303_Kwiatek]

Standart A8 was much more heavy with same engine power as A3. So simply A3 got better climb rate turn rate and speed at high alt. A8 could be only faster at deck cause manually operated radiators.

[707shap_Srbin]

 

 

but I think Siberia or Murmansk would suit me.

For Your information - there are plenty of german villages in Siberia, with russian germans. So You dont have to even change Your name  

[Dr_Molem]

Standart A8 was much more heavy with same engine power as A3. So simply A3 got better climb rate turn rate and speed at high alt. A8 could be only faster at deck cause manually operated radiators.

 

Exactly, it is well known that the early A-8s were the worst Antons, until summer-44 where the BMW 801D-2 finally got its pressure boost.

 

 

I can only join Manu and Kwiatek here.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Dr_Molem

[Wulf]

The comparison is 100% off. Next thing we can compare the Dora with Mustang, will tell us as much about the characteristics.

 

190-A8 is heavier, worse in manouvering, worse in turning overall then A3.

The La5-FN is lighter then the La-5, way better in manouvering, more nimble, miles better in climb.

 

Absolute nonsense to compare those 2 birds, and trying to reflect anything on the in-game planes

 

Exactly.  The La5 and the La5 F/FN series of aircraft have a 'superficial' resemblance at best. As noted, the German tests were conducted on a La5 FN.   To suggest that this information can somehow be applied to a comparison between the in-game A-3 and the La5 is simply not credible. 

[Irgendjemand]

Ingame the 190 outturns the La-5 with ease. 

 

First. Thanks you show some humor. It was meant with humor:)

But this with all due respect is simply not true.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Exactly.  The La5 and the La5 F/FN series of aircraft have a 'superficial' resemblance at best. As noted, the German tests were conducted on a La5 FN.   To suggest that this information can somehow be applied to a comparison between the in-game A-3 and the La5 is simply not credible. 

Whaaat? 

Let's Check that Claim by Claim, talking about the La-5 and wether it's true for the ingame Models. 

 

1st Claim: Top Speed at Ground is slightly below that of 190.

Ingame: At Combat Power the La-5 is (a lot) slower than the 190. True

Ingame: At WEP the the La-5 is slightly slower than 190. True

Ingame (additional): At WEP the La-5 is faster than the 190 in Combat mode.

 

2nd Claim: Turning Times are better than 190 (http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19219-comparative-turn-times-all-bos-fighters-luftwhiners-tovarish/)

Ingame: The La-5 has inferior turning time by about 2 Seconds. False. 

Ingame: Using Wing Cannons the Fw190 turns worse than the La-5. True

Ingame (additional): Turning isn't fun in either. 

 

3rd Claim: Below 3000m the La-5 has superior climb. 

Ingame: La-5 climbs at up to 19m/s and climbs better than 190 at combat power up to 3000m. At Emergency Power the 190 has the advantage above 1500m. Partly True. 

Ingame: Even more true whe MG FF/M are mounted. 

Ingame: 400 seems to be the tipping point where the 190 starts to get the upper hand in a shallow climb. At 450 it already has 2m/s advantage. 

 

4th Claim: 190 accelerates Less well

Ingame: Would have to make a Drag Race, but this is most likely true up to 450. (most likely true) 

 

All of the Claims made by the 190A-8 v La-5FN are either fully, likely or partly true for the A-3 v La-5. 

To me this indicates that the Tactical Advice is correct and applicable to our game. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Anyways, if you want to push for FM changes I'm not gonna interfere. My point here is only that the plane as as is right now is absolutely fine from a flying standpoint. You have my full support if you have better data.