Flying the Fw 190 A-3 is challenging

[LLv24_Zami]

Let me clarify, I wasn't talking just about the Focke video.

 

I watched all his videos and imo he's doing a great job.

[Crump]

 

 

Hit and run was (and still is) a valid tactic.

 

It is not a showcase of the FM accuracy though which is the intention of the film. 

[Willy__]

Hit and run was (and still is) a valid tactic.

 

 

It is not a showcase of the FM accuracy though which is the intention of the film. 

 

+1

This.

[KoN_]

 

SuperGhostBoy here there everywhere in the whole wide world!!!!!!

 

 

This video was remaining faceless at the moment I posted it. All what followed after this was really to die laughing to read and to see how others stealing another mans laurels for me... and how long it takes to notice their own biggest fault!!!!

 

 

 

 

The best part is "I haven't done anything"! This job was done by others! 

 

You took another mans work and used it as your own .   i wonder if your one of them guys that used cheats before the warnings were issued.

Your cred has just gone out the window. Blocked .

Edited October 17, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

No he did not, he did not state it was his recording or his gameplay. He only commented to that video how easy it is to fly 190. It's others who assumed video was his, hard to blame him for other people assumptions, though he should have made it clear video is not his either. But then to raise the doubt of him being a cheater ? Why not assume he is also being guilty of bad weather and fog over Louisiana this morning ?

Logic feels hurt today. 

[Willy__]

No he did not, he did not state it was his recording or his gameplay. He only commented to that video how easy it is to fly 190. It's others who assumed video was his, hard to blame him for other people assumptions, though he should have made it clear video is not his either. But then to raise the doubt of him being a cheater ? Why not assume he is also being guilty of bad weather and fog over Louisiana this morning ?

Logic feels hurt today. 

 

 

 

People commended your flying and you thanked them without correcting the misunderstanding. But a genuine mistake you say? Fair enough.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

As far as I can read he did not thank other people but one person - Turban. For mentioning that 109s are quick to pick the kills. Yeah, he did not mention again that its not his video and played on that assumptions for whatever reason. No question about that. But again, to raise a doubt about cheating ? 

[Livai]

No he did not, he did not state it was his recording or his gameplay. He only commented to that video how easy it is to fly 190. It's others who assumed video was his, hard to blame him for other people assumptions, though he should have made it clear video is not his either. But then to raise the doubt of him being a cheater ? Why not assume he is also being guilty of bad weather and fog over Louisiana this morning ?

Logic feels hurt today.

 

To stay focus all the time! Maybe non-military people not understand what it means to stay focus?  I stated clearly about what I was talking about " See how easy it is to fly the Fw-190 "!!! I was meaning about the flying itself even the Smiley show what I mean how easy it is to fly the Focke where others say it is really challenging how they assume! And here comes the fresh wind where a video shows how really easy it is to fly the Focke if you only know how to do it. That's it! Next post from me I mixed my experience and what the video shows because it fits very well to my experience that I have from flying the Focke.

 

Wrong assumptions happen if someone not stay focus to that what was said. To call my silence cheater or dumb whatever is really far far away taken. If someone start with wrong assumptions that I was flying and others start to follow I start to wondering from where they taken this and why we need to talk about the pilot who was flying and what planes were shoot down if it was easy because it was plane xy, is this really important? For some maybe? For me not! This bored me where I not care! If I wanted to talk about the pilot, who was flying and what planes were shoot down if this too easy because of plane xy I had stated this long time ago but I stated "See how easy it is to fly the Fw-190"! The "See" stand for to see the video "how easy it is to fly" stand for to talk about the flying itself how easy it is to fly the Focke if you know how + how the reality looks flying the Focke on a Expert Server what you can expect and "the Fw-190" stand for about what plane! Maybe the Logic behind this text was maybe too much from everything?

 

As far as I can read he did not thank other people but one person - Turban. For mentioning that 109s are quick to pick the kills. Yeah, he did not mention again that its not his video and played on that assumptions for whatever reason. No question about that. But again, to raise a doubt about cheating ?

See above....for background understanding

 

Here again talking about flying itself experience. Turban mention something what fits into my own experience flying the Focke and what you can see in the video at the end the friendly fire part from the 109 flying the Focke. Something what fits about what I wanted to write in this post and more.

 

[JG13_opcode]

Happened to me 3 times tonight: 109 pilots shooting my 190, or my wingman. It gets really frustrating.

 

They also love to do that thing where they get into attack position in your low 6 and just sit there for like 10 f!&$ing minutes making you nervous and of course you can't shake them because the 190 is a bit of a pig.

Edited October 18, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[ShamrockOneFive]

Happened to me 3 times tonight: 109 pilots shooting my 190, or my wingman. It gets really frustrating.

 

They also love to do that thing where they get into attack position in your low 6 and just sit there for like 10 f!&$ing minutes making you nervous and of course you can't shake them because the 190 is a bit of a pig.

 

So... are some of these 109 pilots just really bad at aircraft recognition?

 

It's not like the FW190A-3 looks like a Yak or a LaGG-3... a bit more like a La-5 but still.

[unreasonable]

So... are some of these 109 pilots just really bad at aircraft recognition?

 

It's not like the FW190A-3 looks like a Yak or a LaGG-3... a bit more like a La-5 but still.

 

No it they are just jerks. I gave up on MP after being shot down three times in a row in by bomb laden Lagg by Yaks that flew beside me for a while within easy recognition distance then moved round to my 6 and shot me down.

[Xenunjeon88]

Has anyone ever played IL-2 1946, more specifically with HSFX mod on? The FW-190 A-3 flies incredibly differently in 1946 than the one in BOS. I suggest everyone (both lovers and haters) to try flying the IL-2 1946 with HSFX mod on to see if they too can feel the differences (so as to know if I am imagining the difference) and what exactly contributes to the differences in handling, qualities and characteristics.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Xenunjeon88

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Has anyone ever played IL-2 1946, more specifically with HSFX mod on? The FW-190 A-3 flies incredibly differently in 1946 than the one in BOS. I suggest to everyone that dislikes the BOS flight model to try flying the IL-2 1946 with HSFX mod on to see if they too can feel the differences (so as to know if I am imagining the difference) and what exactly contributes to the differences in handling, qualities and characteristics.

Jep, plenty of times. In HSFX 190 behaves like you expect it to. There are a few differences between HSFX and BoS variant:

HSFX has better dive capabilities (acceleration, controllability compared to other aircraft), better energy retention, and most important a way higher CLmax which results in a higher possible critical AoA, resulting in being less prone to stall when hard elevator movements, resulting in way higher manouverability when doing rolling manouvers (rolling scissors for example)

[JG13_opcode]

So... are some of these 109 pilots just really bad at aircraft recognition?

 

Tends to be newer players... the sort that don't understand why chat is inadequate for tactical comms, and try to do things like bogey dopes in the middle of a furball via chat.

 

Guess what, if you're asking in chat who the 190 contrailing over the enemy arty is while I'm busy maneuvering against LaGGs, I'm not going to reply.  Get out of my 6oc so I don't have to split my limited SA any further.  Use teamspeak.

Edited October 18, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[JG13_opcode]

You could try being nice, like with learner drivers?

 

 

I do try, and I think if you fly at the same times as me you'll see me giving occasional advice in the chat.

 

What I don't enjoy is getting damaged by a friendly 30 mins into a sortie because some doofus can't be bothered to learn his planes, and then has the audacity to say "If I wanted to, you'd be dead", which is what happened to me a couple of nights ago.

Edited October 19, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 The trigger happy cowboy style is very apparent in any online game. And it is so common as opcode says that people do not even bother to take the time to study the planes. How they look at certain angles and distances. By doing so you learn to ID them in a split second which immensely helps your SA and reading the flow of the engagement. A little effort in learning can be a big benefit later

[sinned]

I see pple say "S!" What does that mean?

If it is used at the beginning of comment, i presume "salute!"

 

What does it mean when S! is used at the end? Sieg? Sarangheyo?

[Hutzlipuh]

I see pple say "S!" What does that mean?

If it is used at the beginning of comment, i presume "salute!"

 

What does it mean when S! is used at the end? Sieg? Sarangheyo?

means both the same thing...in some languages the question/exclamation mark is set also at the start of a sentence...

[Brano]

It was a common courtesy inbetween oposing pilots in days of old sturm to write into chatline S! (Salute) to show mutual respect of the skills after good fight.For victor and the vanquished alike. Smtg like shaking hands after match in many sports.Rarely seen nowdays. Many new players dont know it,probably due to generation gap between old and new sturm. Nobody to pass the good traditions 

EDIT:

Sorry for offtopic

Edited October 20, 2016 by Brano

[Asgar]

some still do it. and i think it's good to acknowledge others skill instead of cursing them for killing you

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It was a common courtesy inbetween oposing pilots in days of old sturm to write into chatline S! (Salute) to show mutual respect of the skills after good fight.For victor and the vanquished alike. Smtg like shaking hands after match in many sports.Rarely seen nowdays. Many new players dont know it,probably due to generation gap between old and new sturm. Nobody to pass the good traditions

EDIT:

Sorry for offtopic

It's still common in Rise of Flight. The game is on autopilot - no news from devs but there are plenty of organized events going on.

[Luftschiff]

It's still common in Rise of Flight. The game is on autopilot - no news from devs but there are plenty of organized events going on.

 

Was just about to say the same, it's where I picked up the habit. These days I tend to assume that anyone that salutes me in IL2 is an old RoF-fox.

[Gump]

ID'ing foe/friendly in full real MP servers, without the help of ID icons, has got to be one of the hardest things to learn, and takes time. then there's the RElearn time after a haitus (cough cough) that has me a bit intimidated. i have missed good shots because i didnt ID the enemy before he saw me and averted, and have hit friendlies (not many) when i thought i was sure it was foe. anyways, it happens. it aint right, and it aint pretty, but it happens. FF is certainly something that calls for an apology at least.

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flew the 190 last night after hearing about the update (been away from the game for a while) with some sort of hope for fairer skies, but found it to still be "challenging".

[PatrickAWlson]

Was just about to say the same, it's where I picked up the habit. These days I tend to assume that anyone that salutes me in IL2 is an old RoF-fox.

 

Goes back to RedBaron3D

[Gambit21]

Was just about to say the same, it's where I picked up the habit. These days I tend to assume that anyone that salutes me in IL2 is an old RoF-fox.

 

We always did that in the old IL2, long before RoF.

[Capt_Stubing]

ID'ing foe/friendly in full real MP servers, without the help of ID icons, has got to be one of the hardest things to learn, and takes time. then there's the RElearn time after a haitus (cough cough) that has me a bit intimidated. i have missed good shots because i didnt ID the enemy before he saw me and averted, and have hit friendlies (not many) when i thought i was sure it was foe. anyways, it happens. it aint right, and it aint pretty, but it happens. FF is certainly something that calls for an apology at least.

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flew the 190 last night after hearing about the update (been away from the game for a while) with some sort of hope for fairer skies, but found it to still be "challenging".

There have been no FM changes to the FW 190

[ShamrockOneFive]

We always did that in the old IL2, long before RoF.

 

Indeed we did! I know when I jumped in online in 2003 S! was used quite a bit. Took me a couple of rounds to understand what that meant and then I used it for years although things have curtailed a bit closer to the present.

[FuriousMeow]

We always did that in the old IL2, long before RoF.

 

Way, way, older than the "old" Il-2. Predates RedBaron II/3D. I remember it in "Fighter Duel" but seen it before that.

Edited October 21, 2016 by FuriousMeow

[Gambit21]

Way, way, older than the "old" Il-2. Predates RedBaron II/3D. I remember it in "Fighter Duel" but seen it before that.

Doesn't surprise me, but wasn't making a point about its origin, just that it's use doesn't necessarily mean the person got it from RoF.

[216th_Jordan]

This is why I'm confused. I just tried both planes and the FW is totally a dog compared to the Mig.  It just baffles me.

 

? I get more than often pounded by 190s on Berloga in my MiG and I would say that I'm not a bad pilot either.

Edited October 23, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[Avatar13]

Bummer to hear that most people aren't doing the old "S!" part after an engagement, back in the day when I used to fly online it was always done in our squad and with those we flew with. Sad to hear it's now a "thing of the past" or only something "older guys" do. Well, I do fit that last description...

[GridiroN]

This is why I'm confused. I just tried both planes and the FW is totally a dog compared to the Mig.  It just baffles me.

 

 

? I get more than often pounded by 190s on Berloga in my MiG and I would say that I'm not a bad pilot either.

 

At this point, I'm starting to realize opinions about various planes are nothing more than that; opinions. People that fly primarily VVS only ever pay attention to the benefits of German fighters and people that fly primarily Luft only pay attention to the benefits of Russian fighters. I fly primarily Luft, when I do fly Russian, I primarily fly the MiG3 and I think anyone who thinks the FW190 is a better plane to that extent is thinking with their feelings, not facts. The 190 is a heavy mofo, with a temperamental FM prone to violent stalls that has 1 trick up it's sleeve and when that trick is of no use, your best strategy is simply to disengage. If someone gets behind you and you don't have much alt to dive away, you're pretty much done-zoe. The MiG has great guns (berezins are trollolloll), a perfectly agile/acceptable FM, gets better at altitude same as a 109, and AM35+stalinium construction = it takes a small army to drop it from the sky.  

 

First time I took it out for research last month, I won three engagements in 1 sortee. Not a bad plane at all. 

[Turban]

At this point, I'm starting to realize opinions about various planes are nothing more than that; opinions.

I think anyone who thinks the FW190 is a better plane to that extent is thinking with their feelings, not facts. 

 

Well.. that's just.... your opinion...      

 

And if we did look at facts it's pretty easy to see the Mig 3 doesn't stand a chance.

[Crump]

The 190 is a heavy mofo, with a temperamental FM prone to violent stalls that has 1 trick up it's sleeve and when that trick is of no use, your best strategy is simply to disengage.

 

How about having an wing design and airfoil selection specifically picked for its high values of maximum Coefficient of Lift that in BoS produces an average to below average maximum Coefficient of Lift relative to the other aircraft designs in an aircraft with a power to weight ratio on the upper end of World War II designs. 

 

You think that is going to be representative?

[Guest deleted@50488]

Tailwheel, pretty much my own perspective when I play il2.

[Crump]

 

 

I find it impossible to believe they would purposefully nerf a plane. I've been listening to some LW pilot interviews and they have been quite interesting.

 

They are not purposely nerfing anything.  I think there is a group that is feeding them bad information as fact. 

[GridiroN]

How about having an wing design and airfoil selection specifically picked for its high values of maximum Coefficient of Lift that in BoS produces an average to below average maximum Coefficient of Lift relative to the other aircraft designs in an aircraft with a power to weight ratio on the upper end of World War II designs. 

 

You think that is going to be representative?

 

Speak english instead of purposely using technical jargon so as to make sure no one without an aerospace engineering degree can understand you and I'd be more than happy to have a conversation with you. 

 

They are not purposely nerfing anything.  I think there is a group that is feeding them bad information as fact. 

 

The devs have made it very clear quite a few times how to they design and tweak flight models. They use OFFICIAL GERMAN sources for GERMAN planes and OFFICIAL RUSSIAN sources for RUSSIAN planes. Unfortunately, most of the testing that concludes that the FM has better turn rate than X, or better fineness than Y was not done by German, but usually Britain or Russia, so all those sources are not considered. 

 

They also consider pilot testimony irrelevant. 

[SKG51_robtek]

.......They also consider pilot testimony irrelevant. 

Well, one can't expect to win a race with cut off toes, me thinks.

 

 

I know that the high speed stall in tight turns is a fact acknowledged in the official sources, the other flaws we experience in this game aren't, afaik.

It really would be better, if the devs would reveal the reason why this plane especially deviates from the fact based expectations of so many.

Edited October 24, 2016 by I./ZG15_robtek

[JG4_dingsda]

Speak english instead of [...] using technical jargon [...]

 

Wing designs have pros and cons. In regards to the design chosen for the FW cons are: stall characteristics, hard to manufacture. The design was chosen anyway, because the pros [crump's technical jargon] outweighed the cons. The cons of the wingdesign decision are to be felt in the game (not the manufacture part, of course), the pros are not, and -- to add insult to injury -- they are (in numbers) even on the lower end of values to be found in the game. 

 

The numbers representing why the wing design was chosen inspite of the stall characteristics are discussed in the FM-Section. As far as I can judge, there is agreement on the numbers being off. The discussion is mainly on how far off they are.

 

(Trying to do a translation as an ... erm ... uninitiated to an uninitiated )

Edited October 24, 2016 by JG4_dingsda

[JAGER_Batz]

Has anyone ever played IL-2 1946, more specifically with HSFX mod on? The FW-190 A-3 flies incredibly differently in 1946 than the one in BOS. I suggest everyone (both lovers and haters) to try flying the IL-2 1946 with HSFX mod on to see if they too can feel the differences (so as to know if I am imagining the difference) and what exactly contributes to the differences in handling, qualities and characteristics.

IL-2 1946 HSFX is simulator, IL-2 BOS.......no comments

 

that's the difference

Edited October 24, 2016 by JAGER_Batz