Flying the Fw 190 A-3 is challenging

[KoN_]

I've started playing IL-2 1946 again but with HSFX mod installed. I flew the A-3 in that game and in terms of 1st impressions, IN MY OPINION, the model in IL-2 1946 HSFX seems to better represent what interviews, reports and pilot commentary have said on the FW-190. I went through a series of aerobatic maneuvers and mock dogfights in both games and where the BOS FW-190 keeps falling into a spin during the more taxing manuvers, the HSFX model has a much more solid response, less prone to stalls and spins and seems to have great energy retention. You won't outturn a Yak-1 in a sustained turn, but when I try reversing for a two circle fight in BOS, I bleed speed like a sieve and either turn so sluggishly the Yak manages to get the first shot, or I fall into a spin as I desperately try to turn this thing around. HSFX is the complete opposite, I reverse the turn, gain separation, and swoop in like the devil was after me. Elevator authority is amazing in HSFX where BOS is like a bucking bronco. What gives the FW-190 in HSFX is not it's turn, but its ability to change directions very quickly and precisely. In BOS trying to do that gets you killed.

 

HSFX's FW-190 really did feel like a sabre in that you can't stick to a Yak in the turn, but its power, speed and maneuverability allowed you to gain separation, run in there guns blazing, then gain separation again, it was a real, "charge in, charge out" sort of fight, where as in the HSFX 109, you wanted to follow the Yak and stick to his tail.    

 

They're the same plane, yet they handle so differently. Yes, HSFX is a mod for a game that's like 16 years old, the model in BOS is more detailed and refined, but I want to know why the two are so different when the 109 handles the same in both games.

Many of us feel the same way , hence why its not being flown and kept in hanger at BOS .

Really not good for a premium air frame i guess a bit like the P-40 . 

Another thing that could be at fault is the joystick setup we have in Bos , i wish we had the ROF setup `god knows why we haven't `would of made sense to cross over these settings on to here .  .  i hope it happens .

[Max_Damage]

Flying the fw190 is very very easy and fool proof... it is the game's easiest and most forgiving fighter for noob players. The characteristics this plane has means it will shoot down enemies for you even if you cant aim and then when they start chasing you just full throttle and get away easy. no need to do any maneuvers at all even.

 

you only need to do 2 things:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eki3RNLh3Bc&feature=youtu.be

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k0XVHxf0GQ&feature=youtu.be

 

And notice how it can sustain 580 kmh at ground level for short periods... lol

idk how anyone manages to complain about this... maybe a l2p difficulty here

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Did Turban change his name?

[Asgar]

Did Turban change his name?

[Willy__]

 

 

Did Turban change his name?

 

LMAO LOL         

 

And my ignore list grows bigger. You should do the same Manu 

 

 

Guys, remember: dont feed the troll.

[Aap]

Did Turban change his name?

 

No, this guy just gets kicks out of talking BS. For example, he had a long argument, how IL-2 is a better air-to-air fighter than F4U.

[LittleJP]

Okay, you need to dig up the link for that because I cannot wrap my head around that how you'd even go about doing that.

[KoN_]

Flying the fw190 is very very easy and fool proof... it is the game's easiest and most forgiving fighter for noob players. The characteristics this plane has means it will shoot down enemies for you even if you cant aim and then when they start chasing you just full throttle and get away easy. no need to do any maneuvers at all even.

 

you only need to do 2 things:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eki3RNLh3Bc&feature=youtu.be

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k0XVHxf0GQ&feature=youtu.be

 

And notice how it can sustain 580 kmh at ground level for short periods... lol

idk how anyone manages to complain about this... maybe a l2p difficulty here

You are so right . Welcome to the party . Expert mode .

[MK_RED13]

What I see (videos from Max_Damage): 2nd video - there is FW 190 flying at 580km/h and La5 is catching up with it... you mean that the La5 (=2ndSS=Envoy) is flying at 600 km/h at 0m alt???? Is It a joke? 

[Max_Damage]

You are so right . Welcome to the party . Expert mode .

its not expert, rather easy mode. enjoyable after playing reds at any case.

 

no maneuvers just fly straight and do lazy attacks

 

1.42 and 2550 rpm give you ~570-580 kmh at deck i think this is total BS

Edited October 7, 2016 by Max_Damage

[Dr_Molem]

its not expert, rather easy mode. enjoyable after playing reds at any case.

 

no maneuvers just fly straight and do lazy attacks

 

1.42 and 2550 rpm give you ~570-580 kmh at deck i think this is total BS

 

You prove post after post that you know nothing about this plane and you dare to talk about "BS".

 

[Edited] Do not make disparaging remarks about other community members either directly or by insinuation.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Bearcat

[MadisonV44]

A first video with most of bullets fired out of the target, a second one showing the Wulf being catch up @ 580 ...

Once again the great attempt to spoil this interesting thread  

   

Stop feeding the troll guys or this post will be soon unreadable. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

What I see (videos from Max_Damage): 2nd video - there is FW 190 flying at 580km/h and La5 is catching up with it... you mean that the La5 (=2ndSS=Envoy) is flying at 600 km/h at 0m alt???? Is It a joke? 

 

its not expert, rather easy mode. enjoyable after playing reds at any case.

 

no maneuvers just fly straight and do lazy attacks

 

1.42 and 2550 rpm give you ~570-580 kmh at deck i think this is total BS

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[MadisonV44]

Fw190 is challenging? Hate to say but its pretty good all around. Fly the LaGG3 lol or any other soviet airplane

 

Of course, no problem, the 630 posts you will find here are just made to do a giant wallpaper 

Everyone will find it useful in term of renovation work at home. 

Personally I will use it for the smallest room ...  

[Crump]

 

 

What gives the FW-190 in HSFX is not it's turn, but its ability to change directions very quickly and precisely.

 

Agility is the heart and soul of the design's dogfighting ability.  It is what makes a Focke Wulf a Focke Wulf. 

[Crump]

 

 

 HSFX is the complete opposite, I reverse the turn, gain separation, and swoop in like the devil was after me. Elevator authority is amazing in HSFX where BOS is like a bucking bronco. What gives the FW-190 in HSFX is not it's turn, but its ability to change directions very quickly and precisely. In BOS trying to do that gets you killed.   HSFX's FW-190 really did feel like a sabre in that you can't stick to a Yak in the turn, but its power, speed and maneuverability allowed you to gain separation, run in there guns blazing, then gain separation again, it was a real, "charge in, charge out" sort of fight, where as in the HSFX 109, you wanted to follow the Yak and stick to his tail.    

 

That is a dogfight description to me....

 

I think Robert Shaw would agree too. 

[3./JG15_Kampf]

anyone have any doubts about the combat capability of the Fw 190? il2 1946+ HSFX JG / 7_Leo

Edited October 8, 2016 by JAGER_Kampf

[L3Pl4K]

anyone have any doubts about the combat capability of the Fw 190? il2 1946+ HSFX JG / 7_Leo

Looks nice, 190 and Spitfire, the perfect Team

[3./JG15_Kampf]

another example  spit vs 190

[3./JG15_Kampf]

 

 

rather about the incapability of the opposing pilots. oh man those videos are hard to watch, so many rookie mistakes  

 use these maneuvers with fw 190 in il2 bos, against the most noob pilot vvs. See how many seconds the fw190 resists

[KoN_]

rather about the incapability of the opposing pilots. oh man those videos are hard to watch, so many rookie mistakes   

Would love too see you in campaigns in il-1946 80+ players with moving ground war,and AI  maybe you should give it a try . nothing beats sweaty palms and a thumping heart . 

its not expert, rather easy mode. enjoyable after playing reds at any case.

 

no maneuvers just fly straight and do lazy attacks

 

1.42 and 2550 rpm give you ~570-580 kmh at deck i think this is total BS

Expert and easy are modelled differently , i believe . 

[Crump]

 

 

That sounds like the definition of Hit and Run tactics

 

 

A lot of people think anything but turning tight circles at low airspeed is the definition of a "dogfight".   That is simply not true.

 

In this case of the FW-190 vs Yak 1 or Spifire, we have dissimilar air to air combat guns only.  That is a dogfight, btw...

 

 

 

Encounters between a low-wing-loaded fighter and an enemy fighter with greater T/W are quite common. In this case each fighter has performance advantages and disadvantages relative to its opponent.

 

 

http://www.jg-51.com/topsecret/Fighter_Combat-Tactics_and_Maneuvering.pdf

 

Actually, I was flying the fw190 earlier today, entered into some very risky maneuvering fights and still managed to bag multiple laggs and yaks, no problem. 

 

 

 

Who cares about your chest beating and online prowess?  The aerodynamic characteristics and qualities of the aircraft are known, quantifiable, and easy to compare with game data.

 

If it does not line up...then it is not correct.

[3./JG15_Kampf]

 

 

Actually, I was flying the fw190 earlier today, entered into some very risky maneuvering fights and still managed to bag multiple laggs and yaks, no problem.

 then record a video and post it here. I'll be happy to watch and learn

[Guest deleted@50488]

I am yet to find any difficulty fighting with the A-3 in MP sessions.

 

Most of the time I get kills, and the time I get killed is mostly due to wrong tactics for that aircraft.

 

I use all of the advantages, starting with good acceleration in a dive, but also the first notch of flaps when required.

[Crump]

 

 

it isnt challenging to fly compared to soviet planes. 

 

The soviet planes are quite easy to fly in this game. 

 

 

I am yet to find any difficulty fighting with the A-3 in MP sessions.

 

Can you film some snap rolls for us? 

[L3Pl4K]

 

 

starting with good acceleration in a dive,

190 do not have a good dive acceleration in the game, for now.

[Guest deleted@50488]

190 do not have a good dive acceleration in the game, for now.

 

:-(

 

It looks good to me ?

[Crump]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The maneuverability of the FW190 is better......

 

 

Kind of a common phrase in that report.

[Dr_Molem]

A lot of people think anything but turning tight circles at low airspeed is the definition of a "dogfight".   That is simply not true.

 

This...

 

"[Edited] this plane can't turn well at low speed (their only known "maneuver")... it must have been designed to B&Z only"

Edited October 9, 2016 by Bearcat
Profanity

[Crump]

jcomm,

 

Please show us some snap rolls in the BoS FW-190.  Full fuel and ammo please!

[Crump]

 

It is possible to change from a turn in one direction to a turn in the opposite direction with incredible speed;  

 

 

Kind of backs up the combat experience....

 

 

 

 

An FW-190 could dogfight by simply getting out of the way of anything that got on it tail.

[Guest deleted@50488]

jcomm,

 

Please show us some snap rolls in the BoS FW-190.  Full fuel and ammo please!

 

Hi Crump!

 

Would a RL pilot snap-roll a Fw190 A3, at near full GW ? And if he did, bellow what altitude would he simply not even consider such a maneuver, just in case ?...

 

So, I'll try to do a snap-roll but I can't record it ( unless I re-installed Nvidia Experience ) but will report back the best I can...

Edited October 8, 2016 by jcomm

[Crump]

This...

 

"shit this plane can't turn well at low speed (their only known "maneuver")... it must have been designed to B&Z only"

 

Notice the RAE report does not say...Rolls from one direction to another with incredible speed...

 

 

 

It is possible to change from a turn in one direction to a turn in the opposite direction with incredible speed;  

 

 

It talks about reversing the direction of the turn 180 degrees.  That is agility.  The FW-190 transitions from a turn in one direction to a turn in the opposite direction.  

Hi Crump!

 

Would a RL pilot snap-roll a Fw190 A3, at near full GW ? And if he did, bellow what altitude would he simply not even consider such a maneuver, just in case ?...

 

So, I'll try to do a snap-roll but I can't record it ( unless I re-installed Nvidia Experience ) but will report back the best I can...

 

At take off weight for a 4 cannon fighter the aircraft was rated for it and could do it.  In fact, to use the RAE test pilots words...

 

Incredible flick rolls could be performed that would rip the wings off a Spitfire.

[Dakpilot]

ACM at full fuel seems a bit of a non historical thing? why would you require that?

 

maybe there were situations that would require immediate combat after takeoff  but I doubt full fuel would be chosen...unless a n unsuspected situation had occurred 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Crump]

Altitude...go up about 1Km...that should be plenty of height to do a safe snap roll.  

 

ACM at full fuel seems a bit of a non historical thing? why would you require that?

 

 

 

Dakpilot,

 

The FW-190 was known for its ability to perform snap rolls.  An FW-190A Type II fighter does not have loading issues that require less than full fuel and meets structural requirements to do a snap roll.

 

The only time you have too much gas onboard an airplane is when you are on fire.

 

It is not ACM either.  A snap roll is not something you would normally do in combat.  It is just a test of the flying qualities of the aircraft.

 

 

 

You'd have to be way out there to actually believe that....I mean cmon, that's delusional   NOTHING could shoot the fw190 down, even when right on its six. why? because roll rate  come on man   Lol look at this guy, what a noob. He shouldve just used the magical roll of his plane and started to roll his aircraft until he wouldve created a wormhole, and warped into safety 

 

 

totally irrelevant proving nothing.  It is not a measured data under quantifiable conditions like the RAE presents.

 

Most fighter pilots never saw their attacker.  If you actually fly a real airplane in real traffic...you will understand why that was..

[Asgar]

You'd have to be way out there to actually believe that....I mean cmon, that's delusional   NOTHING could shoot the fw190 down, even when right on its six. why? because roll rate  come on man

 

Lol look at this guy, what a noob. He shouldve just used the magical roll of his plane and started to roll his aircraft until he wouldve created a wormhole, and warped into safety 

[Edited]  Unless you have definitive proof to back your claim you need to stop. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Bearcat

[MiloMorai]

 

 

It is not ACM either. A snap roll is not something you would normally do in combat. It is just a test of the flying qualities of the aircraft.

 

When one is being shot at it would be a good maneuver to do.

[Dakpilot]

The only time you have too much gas onboard an airplane is when you are on fire.

 

Most of the time I would agree with that sentiment, but really that is just a simplification for many situations, as you should hopefully know..you do not always take up an aircraft with full fuel, unless it is a Cessna 172 at sea level 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Crump]

 

 

Sees a picture of a real world situation

 

Are you having trouble understanding a control experiment with known conditions vs ????

 

 

 

That excuse wont work this time; look at this guy:  

 

What was the initial weight of the aircraft during the encounter?  Airspeed?  Altitude? Power settings?

 

Think about it and you might start to understand known conditions as measured by the RAE.

[andyw248]

Just checking in... after about 17 pages, do we have a conclusion yet whether it's challenging to fly the 190 or not?