Bf 109 G-4 or G-6

[Brano]

BoS campaign doesn't start in spring. Where did you get that nonsense? It starts in late August 42 with airraids on the city. All of planes of BoS were there in numbers.

In April 42 Germans were still trying to capture Sevastopol and operation Fridericus didn't even started yet.

[Dakpilot]

BoS did not start in Spring..

 

It Started in late August, and the Game campaign does also

 

And the G6 certainly did not appear in Kuban in June as you suggest

 

If you sell a Standalone Game about the Battle for Kuban, the largest airwar ever, and do not let an axis Pilot fly a 109 in it until the last couple of weeks, you will get criticism and rightly so

 

G6 was not present in the main air battle at all, just accept that. The G4 was the mainstay 109 for 90% of the BoK campaign and 100% for all the main air battles

 

Many new people will be coming to BoS/BoM/ with all the new features VR Dx11, ships, Spits, P-39, Career etc... hopefully more than 2% of current player base. They will more than likely buy the latest product and BoS Bom later if they enjoy it

 

With all the new features BoK will not seem "just another pricy" theatre and the retro adding of much wanted Career to BoS BoM for free is reward for us, as long term customers who supported the project

 

The Dev's have hinted at G6 being available at a later date.. be happy with that

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[707shap_Srbin]

 

 

It starts in late August 42 with airraids on the city. All of planes

 

Actually, on 16 / 17 july 1942, with the creation of Stalingrad front. 

[Brano]

I am referring to the game campaign for BoS,if you read my post.I'm not questioning when Stalingrad front has been established.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

It starts in late August 42 with airraids on the city. All of planes of BoS were there in numbers.

 

All? Wrong. Yak1-S69 came in September. La5 even later. Only Lagg3 with PF was there, but i doubt that "in numbers". Most models have been P/PA Yaks and Laggs, and I16.

 

 

 

And the G6 certainly did not appear in Kuban in June as you suggest

Well, between June and July. At least they were around in the area: number 20

 

 

 

and do not let an axis Pilot fly a 109 in it until the last couple of weeks, you will get criticism and rightly so

last couple of weaks? where are you getting that nonsense from?

 

 

 

The G4 was the mainstay 109 for 90% of the BoK campaign and 100% for all the main air battles

Wrong. G2, G4, and G6 have all been used. Quite a lot of G2s in the spring.

 

 

 

Many new people will be coming to BoS/BoM/ with all the new features VR Dx11, ships, Spits, P-39, Career etc

That's very optimistic to say the least. I rather think, the only people who will buy BoK apart from the "regulars" will be people that bought BoS early on, moved away disappointed because all those bad choices the Devs made, and will be persuaded to come back because of the new features. I doubt it will bring completely new customers - even when you are changing from lets say War Thunder to serious flight sims just know, it's definitely wiser to go for BoS when it's in sale for 20 bucks, then pay a full price for BoK. All those new features like VR, Dx11 etc are coming to BoS as well, and everyone related to the game will advise you to go for BoS first, because most online gameplay is based on it. So if you wanna experience it properly, you have to go for BoS anyway.

 

You won't attract a complete new audience with another Russian theatre. The one's who are into flight simming and interested in Eastern front definitely at least have gone for BoS. People into flight simming, but not interested at all in Soviet front will still not buy BoK. The time when complete new people are coming will be, when the first Pacific scenario is coming. Not before

 

All those "109 necessary" chatter...i don't get that. We also have no Yak - 109 contemporary for Soviets - in BoM, i didn't see to many people complain about it. Now we don't get a Lavochkin for BoK..i for one am really disappointed about that (as disappointed as no G6 btw). Doesn't lead me to not buying the game. 

 

The real reason why we don't get a G6 (but a 1.42 ata G4 which came way later) is, that the Devs can spare themselves a lot of work and time this way, due to recycling. I am fine with that as long as it is admitted, prefer it if this would be communicated publicly. 

Edited October 7, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[Asgar]

Thanks Manu! I agree 100% with what you're saying

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Was reading up a little, apparently they used GM-1 for the G4 which brought an additional 30kph top speed at altitude. Wonder if we get that - but i guess not

Edited October 7, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[Dakpilot]

G6's around in the area...may have well as been Bucharest, its about the same distance from BoK according to your info

 

People did not complain about lack of Yak 1 in BoM game because historically they were not significant in that Battle, and we get Yak 7 and P-39 for BoK which are important models

 

I hope you are wrong, I feel the Western aircraft and dramatic Kuban scenery and many of the announced improvements, performance AND gameplay, will draw a lot of new customers as well as the Pacific..which is a long way away

 

As much as you are interested in Me 109 G6, just accept it is not a very important aircraft for the majority part of Kuban air battle

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II./JG77_Manu*]

G6's around in the area...may have well as been Bucharest, its about the same distance from BoK according to your info

A few hundred klicks from our map, they could have flown there from their airbase. Don't have the time right now, but i'll show you G6s which where around. 

 

People did not complain about lack of Yak 1 in BoM game because historically they were not significant in that Battle,

That's bollocks. They may have not been important to play intercepter over the city center as the Mig3, but where our BoM map is, including Oblast Smolensk during operation Barbarossa, Yaks and Laggs have been just as significant in CAP/CAS as the Migs. 

 

 

As much as you are interested in Me 109 G6, just accept it is not a very important aircraft for the majority part of Kuban air battle

I know exactly that it isn't "that important" for the Battle of Kuban as the G2 or G4. But it would have brought more diversion gameplay-wise, and since we already have the G4 more or less (G2), the playing field would be more diverse then with basically twice the same aircraft. When you are owner of BoS, which are at least - to flatter your assumption of new customers - 90% of all people, the G4 brings no added value what so ever. The G6 however would definitely have a different character, bringing more diversion for the theatre. For 90% of the people, G4 is just a waste of time, because they will never use it anyway when they have the G2, no point. Paying for nothing. What's so hard to understand there?  Sometimes i really wonder if you only play a scene, or you really are that gullible

Edited October 7, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Au contraire, I will be trading my G2 for the 1.42 ATA of the G4 post haste. Just my 2 cents.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Au contraire, I will be trading my G2 for the 1.42 ATA of the G4 post haste. Just my 2 cents.

 

So you'd trade 1 min with more power to 59min of less performance?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

My main ride is the Fw so it's still an upgrade for dogfighting overall

Edited October 8, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[II./JG77_Manu*]

My main ride is the Fw so it's still an upgrade for dogfighting overall

Well if they fix the 190, which isn't looking to bad currently, the G4 shouldn't be an upgrade to the A5 at all

Edited October 8, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[Ropalcz]

Was reading up a little, apparently they used GM-1 for the G4 which brought an additional 30kph top speed at altitude. Wonder if we get that - but i guess not

 

"Haha Gerät" would be nice to have. 

[LukeFF]

All? Wrong. Yak1-S69 came in September. La5 even later. Only Lagg3 with PF was there, but i doubt that "in numbers". Most models have been P/PA Yaks and Laggs, and I16.

 

 

La-5's combat debut was 20 August 1942 with 287th Fighter Air Division, over Stalingrad.

Edited October 11, 2016 by LukeFF

[Brano]

Zavod nr.26 in Ufa started serial production of M-105PF engine 1.5.1942. Zavod nr.262 in Saratov started serial production (with first M-105PF Yak-1 of serial nr.2769) 4.6.1942.

[novicebutdeadly]

Was reading up a little, apparently they used GM-1 for the G4 which brought an additional 30kph top speed at altitude. Wonder if we get that - but i guess not

From the little I know that was true in the G2 variant as well as G4 but it was a reconnaissance fighter (with cameras and drop tank, unknown how many built), 

 

But we should have had the F4/Z (F4 with Nitrous boost system for use as a high altitude fighter), since of the circa 1841 F4's built 544 were the F4/Z (30%), 

 

whereas only 240 F4/R1's were built (F4 with under wing 20mm canons) which is only 13%

 

And we should also have gotten the E-7 /NZ (GM-1 nitrous boost for high altitude) though this is kinda academic since most people would choose to fly the F4/Z.