He-111H-6 and H-16: Can we free up the Second Bomb Bay for uuuhm... Bombs?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The inability of our He-111H-6 to carry only half of it's original internal Bombload has been somewhat of a Pet-Peeve of mine. 

Right now one internal Bomb Bay is used for an additional fuel tank, which was optional for the model. 

With that freed up it could carry up to 2000kg internally, instead of the meek 1000 it has right now. It could actually stand up in comparison with the Ju-88.

This would actually make it a viable alternative for Bomberguys, since right now the 88 has no disadvantages except maximum external Bomb Load. It can carry 4x500 and 18x50kg, or 44x50kg, or 6x250 and 28x50 internal giving it far greater Area Coverage, better speed and similar defensive armament. 

The 111 now can never drop more than 17 Bombs, which is just weak. 

However, if we were given the option to remove the Fuselage Tank would still have all current options as well as variations of 4x250 and 16x50kg in each Bomb Bay, for up to 2 tons internally.

This would also carry with it an enormous Speed Advantage which the 111 desperatly needs. It would still be slower than the 88, but pack more punch. 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I agree!

[Neil]

I agree as well!

[Asgar]

yes please!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

This:

[Asgar]

but the photo says it's a Heinkel 3 

[Chief_Mouser]

Lots of info about the He111H-16 here: http://www.bredow-web.de/Sinsheim-Speyer/Heinkel_He_111/Heinkel_He_111_H-16/heinkel_he_111_h-16.html

In German but there's always Google translate..

Cheers.

[Jade_Monkey]

but the photo says it's a Heinkel 3

Haha i also thought that was a weird use of the roman numerals

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The H-16 was mainly used as a night bomber and should be able to carry the full bomb loadouts. In addition it also carried the Hs-293 gliding bombs well as the Fi-103 (V1) guided missiles (which likely will not be included in BoK due to timeline).

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The H-16 was mainly used as a night bomber and should be able to carry the full bomb loadouts. In addition it also carried the Hs-293 gliding bombs well as the Fi-103 (V1) guided missiles (which likely will not be included in BoK due to timeline).

As far as I understand the H-6 was mostly an engine upgrade, the fuel tanks being only optional as well?

[Bullets]

+100000000

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The fuel tank is optional. No need to say also that fuel has no real weight on this sim. Thus we need BOMBS !!!! 

 

My biggest concern now along the bomb load is the defensive armament.

 

The H16 fixed top turret with a 13mm gun is actually a downgrade compared to the slide turret  on the H6. The H16 turret field of fire is really restricted. 

 

We really need to get the ball turret

 

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We really need to get the ball turret

Edited September 9, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Neil]

To be honest, I am quite concerned of the gameplay validity of this bomber in BOK

Simply because this bomber is too slow... with the p38 and other fighters we will be an too easy prey.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Nil

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We need formation flights and escort. It is how they launched bomber missions. People flying alone on servers are real suicidal and gives a false impression.

 

Just give us what was available for the plane and we can hold our own.

Edited September 9, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

To be honest, I am quite concerned of the gameplay validity of this bomber in BOK

Simply because this bomber is too slow... with the p38 and other fighters we will be an too easy prey.

Why I find flying German bombers not as enjoyable in MP.  Nobody wants to escort....even when asked, it falls silent.  Then in chat: "La-5 on my six grid # alt" and 6 people respond. It's silly to me.

 

When I fly Soviets, people are often offering escort before I even start up.

 

Glad I have have regular wingmen with a squadron or I'd never fly German bombers.  Just wouldn't be worth it to me.

[Neil]

I fly the he111 on mp and I have to be very inventive to survive as there is no escort.

I do not have the fast and well defended ju88 so I have to stick with the old he111.

 

When I pilot the pe2 on mp, it is so much easier as it is well defended ,and fast , and the gunners do not have to reload.

 

So getting the he111 h 16 is getting me skeptical

Yes he is well defended, but, the best defense for a twin bomber is the speed, thanks to my experience of flying bombers since the year of 2004.

 

Anyway, it is off topic, sorry about that. this subject needs a new topic.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Nil

[E69_geramos109]

Agree with that. 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Yes devs please include that 13mm ball turret. It just looks cool and seems pretty fun to use. 

[Neil]

I agree with you McKvack, the 13mm ball turret should be included (or a mod) . It will inecrase our chance to survive!

[ShamrockOneFive]

What are the engine options for the He111H-16? I'm seeing Jumo 211F-2 listed in some places and confusingly either 211F-1 or 211F-2 for the He111H-6. If they do have different engines, how much more powerful are the F-2 engines over the F-1? I've had some difficulty finding that info.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

What are the engine options for the He111H-16? I'm seeing Jumo 211F-2 listed in some places and confusingly either 211F-1 or 211F-2 for the He111H-6. If they do have different engines, how much more powerful are the F-2 engines over the F-1? I've had some difficulty finding that info.

I think it has increased continuous Settings, from 2200RPM to 2400RPM, and thus higher Rated Altitude and improved Top Speed. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I think it has increased continuous Settings, from 2200RPM to 2400RPM, and thus higher Rated Altitude and improved Top Speed. 

 

Interesting. Improved top speed even with the extra weight from the increased defensive armament? That would be pretty impressive. Even if its only by a little bit.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Interesting. Improved top speed even with the extra weight from the increased defensive armament? That would be pretty impressive. Even if its only by a little bit.

We have that engine in the Ju-88 already. 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Don't worry about escort guys. Coop is coming

[LukeFF]

The inability of our He-111H-6 to carry only half of it's original internal Bombload has been somewhat of a Pet-Peeve of mine.  

Right now one internal Bomb Bay is used for an additional fuel tank, which was optional for the model.

With that freed up it could carry up to 2000kg internally, instead of the meek 1000 it has right now. It could actually stand up in comparison with the Ju-88.

 

Eh, no, sorry, that additional fuel tank was not an option for the H-6, as it was a factory installation. The way it is modeled now is entirely correct.

 

 

 

The fuel tank is optional. No need to say also that fuel has no real weight on this sim.

 

Please stop spreading inaccurate information.  

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Eh, no, sorry, that additional fuel tank was not an option for the H-6, as it was a factory installation. The way it is modeled now is entirely correct.

 

H6_abwurfwaffe.jpg

 

Please stop spreading inaccurate information.

 

I am talking about the H16. Please pay attention.

[Asgar]

sry gielow, but there is still inaccurate information in your post...fuel does have weight in this sim

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

sry gielow, but there is still inaccurate information in your post...fuel does have weight in this sim [/quote

 

If people can't understand the meaning of weight in the context, they should look for educational help to improve IQ.

 

I said that fuel has no importance on this game for bombers. The maps are not big enough for long range flights because of mission layout. Besides that servers sessions are usually below 2 hours. Most loners don't even take fuel for the flight back. Thus we got to remove unnecessary fuel tanks and replace it with bombs for bombers sake. We can have it now on H16.

[Asgar]

thanks, but i'm quite happy with my IQ

Edited September 10, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I was talking about Luke but if you wanna take his place, suit yourself.

Edited September 10, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Asgar]

well, i interpreted it just the same way. it's not always easy if your reading and writing in the middle of the night in a second language

[Gunsmith86]

The intern fuel tank of the HE 111 H16 is not a standart equipment it can be added but you could also have two bomb racks.

 

 

[LukeFF]

I am talking about the H16. Please pay attention.

 

Then make that more clear in your post. Please pay attention.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Both of you stop being Bitchy to one another. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Gielow, thanks for posting that information. I'm much more clear on the He111H-16 model now!

 

I wonder if we'll get that turret as a modification... It would definitely be cool and would give the Heinkel a different look than the one we have right now.

 

Another question... what do the torpedo racks look like? Anyone have that info?

Edited September 11, 2016 by ShamrockOneFive

[Gunsmith86]

Another question... what do the torpedo racks look like? Anyone have that info?

 

 

 

 

Almost half of the missions flown in the west endet like this:

[Lusekofte]

I think we just are in the start of something, we just the foundation of a bigger community that will come, after Kuban we will have Pasific, I am pretty sure we will gain experienced old IL 2 pilots mixed up with young new flight simmers and things will evolve into more serious sort of gameplay. 

Coop will not be the savior of any game, it will only bring along singel player people, it was not THAT popular in the old game. I think we will see improvements 

in gameplay also not only product

[Pharoah]

+1

 

flying bomber missions online with the HE111 is hazardous enough.....lets make it worth our while with the extra bomb load. Besides, the maps are too small to warrant extra fuel (I only really use 30-40% of my standard fuel load and return with plenty).

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Coop will not be the savior of any game, it will only bring along singel player people,

 

I don't think so... there are quite some communities which like coop a lot since they can recreate missions with high historical fidelity and online campaigns, and they are still flying in the old 1946, connecting via IP without using the Hyperlobby, making them a silent but important part of the flight sim community.

 

I posted this picture some time ago but it's relevant, it's just a screenshot of the TS channel of one of these communities doing the briefing before being split into several organized flights, for a coop mission in 1946, a couple of years ago, in which I participated, after flying with them I asked if they could join me and a couple of friends to play a full real dogfight server on Hyperlobby, but they took down the offer because they thought it wasn't immersive enough (without planned missions, accurate squadrons, skins, loadouts and flight organization).

 

 

So having a good coop mode can bring in this sort of communities which in some cases can have a considerable number of members. These guys are still flying 1946 for their historical campaigns.

[Dutchvdm]

The fuel tank is optional. No need to say also that fuel has no real weight on this sim. Thus we need BOMBS !!!! 

 

My biggest concern now along the bomb load is the defensive armament.

 

The H16 fixed top turret with a 13mm gun is actually a downgrade compared to the slide turret  on the H6. The H16 turret field of fire is really restricted. 

 

We really need to get the ball turret

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We really need to get the ball turret

 

The Drehlafette DL 131 was first standard on the H20 model. But it was also installed on H16 / R1. But i would think no earlier then late 1943. Would be a nice mod though. I Must admit.

 

Grt M