Will BOK turn multiplayer servers to 'Western Theater'?

[Lymark]

 I have a feeling that Allies players will be flying lend lease aircraft mostly, with little to no Russian fighters in those Eastern Front maps. Not that It's a bad thing(I like Western Theater more), but it's sort of immersion breaking, you know that I mean?

 

 I'm kinda interested to see how will it actually become.

[150GCT_Veltro]

P-39 is 100% almost considered a VVS aircraft, 100% VVS immersion.

[Riderocket]

P-39 is 100% almost considered a VVS aircraft, 100% VVS immersion.

99%

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 I have a feeling that Allies players will be flying lend lease aircraft mostly, with little to no Russian fighters in those Eastern Front maps. Not that It's a bad thing(I like Western Theater more), but it's sort of immersion breaking, you know that I mean?

 

 I'm kinda interested to see how will it actually become.

 

I don't think so at all. Spit MkV will be a dog, compared to the P40 in Moscow. Only being flown by "enthusiasts" who don't care about performance. Kobra will probaby be flown by quite a lot of people, but the "stats hunter" will always prefer Yak1b/Yak7b. So it should be a mix between those 3, with the odd Spitfire around. What's fairly representative for this theatre IMO.

In online campaings aircraft will be limited anyway, to represent historical numbers, so not worried there as well.

Edited September 9, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[Daff]

I don't think you need to fret. I play on WoL pretty much only so far (still new) and they limit the aircraft selection as it is. I'm sure they will appreciate the historical immersion as much as you. Besides, I always thought of the P-39 as more of a Russians plane anyway, infact the whole history of the aircobra has always intriqued me and how it ended up as a mainstay of the VVS.

[wtornado]

I would fly the Spitfire and

Hurricane even in the MTO knowing full well I would be outclassed by the 109 in

both theatres.

[YSoMadTovarisch]

I don't think so at all. Spit MkV will be a dog, compared to the P40 in Moscow. Only being flown by "enthusiasts" who don't care about performance. Kobra will probaby be flown by quite a lot of people, but the "stats hunter" will always prefer Yak1b/Yak7b. So it should be a mix between those 3, with the odd Spitfire around. What's fairly representative for this theatre IMO.

In online campaings aircraft will be limited anyway, to represent historical numbers, so not worried there as well.

 

The Spitfire VB with 16lbs boost will hardly be a dog, it'll be a good match for the BF109Gs.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

The Spitfire VB with 16lbs boost will hardly be a dog, it'll be a good match for the BF109Gs.

 

Ground speed slower then Lagg, speed at altitude 100 less then G2, climb rate considerably worse then Lagg3...i'd call that a dog for a 1943 theatre

[YSoMadTovarisch]

Ground speed slower then Lagg, speed at altitude 100 less then G2, climb rate considerably worse then Lagg3...i'd call that a dog for a 1943 theatre

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ab320.html

 

You've mistaken the performance of the regular Spitfire VB performance with the tropical version of the Spitfire VB running at mere 9lb boost

 

This is a better representative of a Spitfire V performance in late 1942:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/aa878.html

 

And consider that the VC was quite a bit heavier and draggier (due to the 2 more extruding cannons) than the VB, the VB running at 16lbs boost should be a good match for the 109G.

Edited September 9, 2016 by GrapeJam

[II./JG77_Manu*]

You've mistaken the performance of the regular Spitfire VB performance with the tropical version of the Spitfire VB running at mere 9lb boost

No, i have not mistaken anything. I took the data, the Russians were making themselves for the lend-lease planes. I don't know how much boost, but that's the Spitfire the Russians used during Kuban/ mid 43. This sheet is an excerpt out of a book, i can upload the text next to it as well, if you don't believe me (as soon as i am home). 

The Russians didn't have late 1943 Spitfire V, they rather had early 1942 Spitfires V, and used them in mid 43.

Edited September 9, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[YSoMadTovarisch]

No, i have not mistaken anything. I took the data, the Russians were making themselves for the lend-lease planes. I don't know how much boost, but that's the Spitfire the Russians used during Kuban/ mid 43. This sheet is an excerpt out of a book, i can upload the text next to it as well, if you don't believe me (as soon as i am home). 

 

If you paid attention to other foreign aircrafts in Soviets tests, with the exception of the 109, they all badly underperformed. including the Spitfire LF IX, P39s, P63s, FW190s.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

If you paid attention to other foreign aircrafts in Soviets tests, with the exception of the 109, they all badly underperformed. including the Spitfire LF IX, P39s, P63s, FW190s.

I don't see the rest of the aircraft in this test underperforming. I'd even claim that the P40 of those tests is better then the P40 in game (at least in turn time). Look at the Spit Mk9 from this sheet, also pretty representative.

 

Anyway, we don't have to discuss this now. To please you, i know that 1943 Spitfire was a capable fighter, so i was not trying to downplay this great aircraft. We'll see "soon enough" what version of this aircraft will be implemented into the game, and if it's out, then we can discuss further if you like

Edited September 9, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[YSoMadTovarisch]

I don't see the rest of the aircraft in this test underperforming. I'd even claim that the P40 of those tests is better then the P40 in game (at least in turn time). Look at the Spit Mk9 from this sheet, also pretty representative.

 

Anyway, we don't have to discuss this now. To please you, i know that 1943 Spitfire was a capable fighter, so i was not trying to downplay this great aircraft. We'll see "soon enough" what version of this aircraft will be implemented into the game, and if it's out, then we can discuss further if you like

 

All of the foreign aircrafts in your chart underperformed badly, just compare them with the performance tests done by the original countries.

 

FW190D9 only capable of 543 km/h at SL(in German test the lowest figure with bomb racks and ran at 1.8 ata was 585km/h), FW 190A8 only 542km/h(compared to 575km/h in German test), FW 190A5 only capable of 510km/h (compared to 565km/h in German test), gimme a break.

Edited September 9, 2016 by GrapeJam

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 

 

All of the foreign aircrafts in your chart underperformed badly, just compare them with the performance tests done by the original countries.

No idea why you are showing this sheet, but it proves nothing. Nothing what so ever. You are aware, that captured aircraft with worn or even damaged engines can't be compared with factory fresh lend-lease aircraft?

 

And no plane is underperforming from the chart i posted..no idea where you got this nonsense from..or you really wanna call a climb time of 4 minutes to 5000m for the Spit9 "underperforming"? 

[YSoMadTovarisch]

And no plane is underperforming from the chart i posted..no idea where you got this nonsense from..or you really wanna call a climb time of 4 minutes to 5000m for the Spit9 "underperforming"? 

 

Mate, even the Spitfire IX in your test is more than 20km/h slower than it should.

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ma648.html

[LuftManu]

I want to see some servers with Bf 109 F2/4 against Spit MkVb and P40

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Mate, even the Spitfire IX in your test is more than 20km/h slower than it should.

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ma648.html

matches the 18lbs boost of this pretty close. Of course my performance chart is not with full boost on all aircraft, but on (usuable) combat rating, like every other testing as well

[YSoMadTovarisch]

matches the 18lbs boost of this pretty close. Of course my performance chart is not with full boost on all aircraft, but on (usuable) combat rating, like every other testing as well

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/jl165rr.html

"and standard tropical type of air intake"

 

Not a representative of a standard Spitfire IX at all. And why should the Brits send the Soviets trop version of Spitfire?