Battle of Midway 1942 Plane Set (By me).

[SOLIDKREATE]

Battle of Midway Plane Set

 

 

This does not include collectables. It does have premiums though. I really do not if there can be any because the only other IJN planes used were RECON planes (Not the F1M). The US Navy had the F2A-3, TBD-1 and SB2U-2. It wouldn't really be fair as these are the planes that fought in June. So, I put this together. What do you all think? Any ideas for collectables.

 

 

Resource:  http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/battle-of-midway-aircraft.asp

 

 

US:

• F2A-3 'Buffalo'
• F4F-3 'Wildcat'
• SBD-3 'Dauntless'
• TBD-1 'Devastator'
• PBY-3 'Catalina'

 Collector

• B-26G-11-MA 'Marauder'

 

 

 

IJN:

• A5M4 'Claude'
• A6M2 Mod 21 'Zeke'
• D3A1 'Val'
• B5N 'Kate'
• Ki-21 IIb 'Sally / Gwen'

Collector:

• G4M1 Mod 11 'Betty'

 

 

UPDATED 11/6/2019

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2019 by 361st_SPEKTRE76

[Cybermat47]

Didn't the Japanese use the mod. 21 Zero at Midway?

 

Either way, nice list. Recon aircraft could add an interesting dimension to SP and MP.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Didn't the Japanese use the mod. 21 Zero at Midway?

 

Either way, nice list. Recon aircraft could add an interesting dimension to SP and MP.

 

 

Yep you're right, changed it.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I doubt, however, the only map will be Midway. I suspect we will get Pearl Harbor and Wake as well. If they include the Aleutians we will get some additional USAAF stuff as well. Won't change much for the Japanese navy but will expand the allied set. Could get some period appropriate Japanese army AC as premiums to fill out that side. Similar to the Fw 190 and Mc 202 in previous releases.

Edited September 9, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yeah I was thinking maybe the F1M & A6M2-N for IJN and the B-25J-32-NC & F4U-1 (birdcage). The F6F-3 would also fit since it was introduced in 1943.

[Feathered_IV]

The Aichi E13a is one of my favourites.  What a cracker that would be if you could catapult from a cruiser and spot for their guns...

 

The A5M4 Claude or Devastator would be a good Collectors aircraft.  Maybe even the B-26 as it was also there on the island.

 

Relevance isn't always absolute with the collectors too, so the G4M1 Betty would be welcome.  Or even a Ki-43.

[Brano]

Battle of Midway 1943? Always thought it was 1942.

[Neil]

Nice plane set!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Its kinda nice but not perfect Spektre

 

Also, topic has a mistake in form of 1943, should be 1942 I think

 

In regard to Recon, Japanese Navy used for active reconnaissance floatplanes (which were found completely insufficient) and could also use combat machines in form of B5N2s (in actual battle No 1 and No 2 search lines were given to Kates from Akagi and Kaga, No 3 and no 4 was given to E13A1 Type 0 reconnaissance seaplanes, No 5 and following seem to be given to Type 95 reconnaissance seaplanes, also that day for the first time D4Y1 participated in combat mission as it was used for long reconnaissance. )

 

Since we keep good old 4 + 4 + 2 (standard + collectors) I had in my mind this:

 

A6M2                         -            F4F-4

(not sure what here)  -            F2A 

D3A1                         -             SBD
B5N2                         -             TBD "Devastator"

 

Collectors:

D4Y1                         -             B-26

 

For that "not sure what here" one could put A6M3, it was only 1.5 month from reaching frontlines and along with P-39, P-40 and Spitfire could be a nice leap towards more land based combat. D4Y1 was present during Battle of Midway in form of 2 machines (still 2 more than FW-190 during Stalingrad campaign) used for reconnaissance, a perfect opportunity for a collectors plane. For Americans though I was thinking either of B-26 or SB2U or TBF (First is somewhat being satisfied by existence of A-20 though), second was present in decent numbers with over 20 machines used in combat. Vindicator is also a lesser known bird, so would make sense to show it to world. And of course Navy brought to Midway first 6 TBFs detachment. That's how I personally see it

Edited September 9, 2016 by =LD=Hiromachi

[PA-Sniv]

Battle of Midway 1943? Always thought it was 1942

 

Nothing wrong as it's stated "battle of Miday 1943"!

Edited September 9, 2016 by PA-Sniv

[Mastermariner]

Gotta have B-17

 

Master

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It was already said that no 4-engine bomber will appear any time soon. Besides, B-17s really didnt have any impact on events. B-26 or SB2U were a lot more relevant. 

[Sokol1]

 

Collectors:

D4Y1                         -             B-26

 

 

Here make more sense a G4M - Yes, are not in the Battle of Midway but in service at time - You already see this before (...in Stalingrad).

 

Will sold more as Collector Plane than D4Y1, and will make things "balanced" avoiding  "Blenheim" low ability complains, like in OM-BoB.

Edited September 9, 2016 by Sokol1

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

There is still one spot left in standard version to put into it G4M1. And as far as I know Judy is quite popular aircraft

[SOLIDKREATE]

Description updated:

 

 

Source: https://pacificwar.wordpress.com/battle-for-midway/

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Waaait, that source is some aces high scenario, isnt it ? 

There were no A6M3s during the battle, closest would be A6M3 model 32 of which production started somewhere before June 14th, 1942. A6M3 model 22 was not present until end of 1942 (production started somewhere around December 1942).

Thus, if something Spektre, there could be A6M3 model 32 (with clipped wings) in your setup

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't have any reference materials on the Aleutians. What Japanese AC were involved? Anything other than carrier borne AC?

Its kinda nice but not perfect Spektre

 

Also, topic has a mistake in form of 1943, should be 1942 I think

 

In regard to Recon, Japanese Navy used for active reconnaissance floatplanes (which were found completely insufficient) and could also use combat machines in form of B5N2s (in actual battle No 1 and No 2 search lines were given to Kates from Akagi and Kaga, No 3 and no 4 was given to E13A1 Type 0 reconnaissance seaplanes, No 5 and following seem to be given to Type 95 reconnaissance seaplanes, also that day for the first time D4Y1 participated in combat mission as it was used for long reconnaissance. )

 

Since we keep good old 4 + 4 + 2 (standard + collectors) I had in my mind this:

 

A6M2                         -            F4F-4

(not sure what here)  -            F2A 

D3A1                         -             SBD
B5N2                         -             TBD "Devastator"

 

Collectors:

D4Y1                         -             B-26

 

For that "not sure what here" one could put A6M3, it was only 1.5 month from reaching frontlines and along with P-39, P-40 and Spitfire could be a nice leap towards more land based combat. D4Y1 was present during Battle of Midway in form of 2 machines (still 2 more than FW-190 during Stalingrad campaign) used for reconnaissance, a perfect opportunity for a collectors plane. For Americans though I was thinking either of B-26 or SB2U or TBF (First is somewhat being satisfied by existence of A-20 though), second was present in decent numbers with over 20 machines used in combat. Vindicator is also a lesser known bird, so would make sense to show it to world. And of course Navy brought to Midway first 6 TBFs detachment. That's how I personally see it

Move your D4Y up to normal content, dump the B-26 and make the Betty and a PBY the two collector AC.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You mean 5th Fleet ?

Carrier strike group on board of Ryujo and Junyo consisted of 30 A6M2 model 21 Zeros, 18 B5N1s and B5N2s and 15 D3A1s. And there was Aleutian Seaplane Tender Force, on board of Kimikawa Maru there were 8 floatplanes. Nothing different from Midway Murf :/ 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Aye aye Captain 

 

A6M2                         -            F4F-4

D4Y1                         -            F2A 

D3A1                         -             SBD
B5N2                         -             TBD "Devastator"

 

Collectors:

G4M1                         -             PBY

 

I must say, this sounds veeery exciting, even though I was initially a bit skeptical about the idea of Midway 

[sallee]

Don't we need B-17s and PBYs with torpedoes?! And Vindicators? What a nightmare that would be.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

If they really want to keep that D4Y for a mid to late war module you could change it for an E13. Then both sides have one 'crap plane' (Buffalo) and one float plane. The E13 isn't crap per se but it will not compete with the F4F and both sides get a float plane for the new water effects.

 

If the Aleutians are modelled I would propose a couple of collector twins. P-38 and a Ki-46 Dinah. She wasn't really armed til late in the war but it could be selectable/upgrade. As a collector the only criteria seems to be that the AC is tangentially available so she 'almost fits,' and we can pretend she was land based after a resupply of one of the islands.

Edited September 9, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

E13 is unarmed recce floatplane (except for a single rearward 7.7 mm machine gun) of very low speed. Its not even close to considered bad Buffalo. 

[Kaxii]

A6M2 Mod 21            F4F-4 (I'm pretty sure the F4F-3 had been mostly replaced on carrier units by this time)

A5M4 (While didn't take part in the physical battle, they were on the Zuiho in the reserve fleet)            F2A-3

B5N             TBF-1C

D3A1           SBD-3

 

Collectors:

Either as already said: G4M and B-26 or F4F-3

Or: E8N or E13 and PBY or OS2U (probably more likely the PBY)

[SOLIDKREATE]

UPDATED both here and in post #1

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2016 by II./ZG1_SPEKTRE76

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Yeah, that looks pretty good as well.

[BeastyBaiter]

I think Midway itself is unlikely given that the campaign would be 3 sorties long at most. Midway + some other early island/naval battles seems more viable. With that in mind, I think the following would make a good early war plane set:

 

Allied:

1) F2A

2) F4F-3

3) SBD

4) TBD

Collector: P-40B

 

Axis:

1) A6M2

2) Ki-27

3) B5N

4) D3A

Collector: Ki-43-I

 

It does miss out on medium bombers sadly, but it offers a better mix of early navy and army fighters.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I think Midway itself is unlikely given that the campaign would be 3 sorties long at most. Midway + some other early island/naval battles seems more viable. With that in mind, I think the following would make a good early war plane set:

 

Allied:

1) F2A

2) F4F-3

3) SBD

4) TBD

Collector: P-40B

 

Axis:

1) A6M2

2) Ki-27

3) B5N

4) D3A

Collector: Ki-43-I

 

It does miss out on medium bombers sadly, but it offers a better mix of early navy and army fighters.

 

 

 

Did you read the last DEV update?

 

 

 

 

Anyway guys here is the "Bitter Rivals" - Collector Pack

 

 

 

 

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Yeah, gonna need a P-40 if Pearl Harbor is included. Gotta get my Rafe McCauley on.

 

I would far and away, however, prefer a PBY over the B-26. It can take on torpedo and light bombing duties. I'd sub the P-40 for the F2A. You also get a twin bomber with the Betty. So, she'd stay regardless.

 

So much fun in speculation sometimes.

 

(Yes it is indeed a horrible movie but..............................Kate Beckinsale!)

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

One thing that is getting omitted is that every included American aircraft can carry much greater loads than Japanese. Largest bomb D3A1 can carry is 250 kg, while SBD carried 1000 lb Semi Armor Piercing bomb. B5N and TBF carry similar armament in terms of torpedoes, but when it comes to bombs again TBF is superior. Also, I'm still not sure why TBF is added instead of TBD which was mane torpedo plane in battle. B-26 as well as PBY can carry up to 4000 pounds of ordnance, G4M less than half of that. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I would prefer the TBD as well even though it is clearly overmatched. That's a roll of the dice for the Dev's on a performance v historical perspective.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I initially had the TBD-1 on there but the TBF-1 was there too. No body would fly that in favor of the TBF. Or very, very few would making for an unjustifiable development resource.

 

 

 

These were the other planes I had on originally as well:

 

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Well, there were six TBFs flown from Midway. And 43 TBD Devastators. In terms of performance TBD is much closer to B5N than TBF so you might consider that as well, Devastator makes up to 206 mph at 8000 ft while B5N goes slightly faster, up to 235 mph. Avenger is much faster (275+ mph), has greater payload and much better defensive armament (even though some Devastators were already better armed than Kate, before Midway were either provided with twin .30 cals or single .50 caliber in the rear). 

 

 

 

Or very, very few would making for an unjustifiable development resource.

You better look at that E13, aircraft that cant go faster than 230 mph, has no front armament and single .30 caliber machine gun. That is something that hardly justifies the cost. I know floatplanes are fun, I'm myself looking forward to them but this is very pitiful and considered obsolete by those who actually used it. Something like A6M2-N, N1K1 or H6K would in future make a lot more sense. 

 

I also hope that in some DLC SB2U-3 Vindicator would be available. 

[BeastyBaiter]

Did you read the last DEV update?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes and what are you getting at? I reread my post and I should have said "Midway by itself" rather than "Midway itself" but it should be clear what I meant from the rest of the post. The dev update only states Midway and Okinawa, but Midway is just too short for a single game. Given the relatively low investment required to make it Midway + Wake + Coral Sea + a few other little battles, it is far more sensible to do the bigger setup.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

+1 for the TBD to replace the TBF. Yeah it wasn't that good but it is what it is.


When we get into mid-late war P-38s boom and zooming Zeros with almost impunity will be the payback

[216th_Jordan]

UPDATED both here and in post #1

 

 

 

Take out Catalina and that japanese seaplane and replace them with an oscar and a buffalo and we probably got the devs choice.

Edited September 10, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[Rjel]

I would think any Midway scenario would have to include Wake Island and the Coral Sea battles to give it some depth of gameplay. I'd like to see Pearl Harbor included but that would seem like a lot more development time than is justifiable.

 

I'd like to see the P-40B/C included as a Premium plane. I've always felt it was the best looking version of the entire series. It was one of my favorite rides from the old IL-2. If we ever got a Flying Tigers scenario we'd be good to go with that although the vastness of China would probably be akin to Europe in being too large an area to model.

 

For the Japanese side, I'd go along with the Oscar but I'd really prefer a twin engine bomber like the Betty or an Army Ki-21. All have the added advantage of being used again in later Pacific scenarios.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

That's what I assumed from all this. Midway sounds like a catchy title. You want to use it, its great for advertising and everyone who happens to be interested in WW2 or classic flight sims heard of it, some peoples ancestors participated in the events. It's like Stalingrad for Russians. Obviously carrier battles were not a tiny skirmishing or daily missions but a fierce clashes which makes it rather hard to use as campaign, unless campaign will actually cover events from Pearl Harbor (for Japanese) and Lae (for Americans, there was first major operation carried in March 1942 to prevent Japanese from setting positions in New Guinea and in order to do so a carrier strike from the other side of NG was executed), through Coral Sea, Midway, Eastern Solomons and up to Santa Cruz. Now that is hell of a campaign.

Edited September 10, 2016 by =LD=Hiromachi

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Take out Catalina and that japanese seaplane and replace them with an oscar and a buffalo and we probably got the devs choice.

PBY Catalina says, "You shut your mouth!"

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

PBY is a must, I'd actually drop B-26 in favor of SB2U or F2A-3  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

You can keep that Vindicator, blah.

 

And I'd be willing to bet the Dev's keep the TBD while deferring the TBF for a later/mid-war module.