is this new game going to have the ROF price model?

[Droz]

I don't dig the rof pricing model. I want to purchase a game and have content. Will we get free updates like we are used to, and will a purchase give us a complete game, not something that requires us to spend hundreds on planes and extra equipment.

[FlatSpinMan]

See the Q&A about the new game. There's lots of info in it.

 

 

Q. What is the business model for BOS?

A. BOS will have a few different options for new users that will put them in the cockpit and new content added over time after initial launch.The BOS business model will have some similar aspects with ROF, but it will not be identical.

 

Q. Will you have to pay for new content like airplanes?

A. Of course, additional content once developed will be offered for sale.

 

 

As for not liking the model, well, sure, we all liked getting stuff for free from Oleg, but what other game does that? ROF now actually gives you the entire game for free including a couple of flyables. If you were happy with them, you'd never need to pay a cent to play it.

 

As for BOS, no one knows the details yet. It'll probably be pretty reasonable, and if you just want to fly one or two types (like in DCS or something), it may well even be cheap. Remember that the AI planes are free (in ROF at least).

 

[99th_WorfWorf]

Well that'll be interesting.  But hey if it's good, they'll come.  Where the heck are the flight sim junkies gonna go anyways? CloD?  Nah brother, been there, hated that!  I'm still flying IL2 1946 but I'd like something truly takes advantage of multithreading and multi-cores and was/is desiged with a new graphics engine from the ground up.  If it works right... I'll buy.

 

Worf

[Freycinet]

I certainly hope they will basically port the RoF business model, because it allows us users to pay the developers what they deserve for all their hard work! It is also the model that will allow for continued development. RoF is a case of a product where I am VERY happy to be able to keep paying for it, because it is worth it.

[arjisme]

Yep, in RoF you can play for free with 2 flyables and all other content that has been released is also in your game (as AI in SP, flyable by others who paid in MP).  Even if you don't own the plane you can still man a gunner position for those that have them. So you can choose what to buy based on what planes you like.  They often run sales in RoF-land too which allows getting more planes at much lower cost.  Not to mention they offer good discounts for volume purchases.  I don't know if they will use this exact approach for BOS, but that's what is done with RoF right now.

[JediMaster]

I don't dig the rof pricing model. I want to purchase a game and have content. Will we get free updates like we are used to, and will a purchase give us a complete game, not something that requires us to spend hundreds on planes and extra equipment.

 

Funny, I spent $20 for ICE and got 9 planes with scripted campaigns, MP of the coop and dogfight nature, single missions both scripted and random, and a dynamic career. There have been regular free updates that added new AI planes to fight with and against as well as improving the performance and appearance. The extra planes and things aren't needed, you can play the game perfectly without them.

 

Not sure what qualifies as "content" to you...if you're expecting Il-2 46's "hundreds of planes" instead for just $20, I suggest you go fly that.

 

If you expect a flyable plane to be made 2 years after your purchase and get it for free, I submit you have no idea just how small the flight sim market is today. ROF isn't a dead sim being worked on by modders like 46.

 

Go look at the way Activision runs it's Call of Duty franchise--they pull in over a billion per year by releasing a totally new title at $60 with only incremental changes and a handful of maps for MP, then charge $5 or $10 for another few MP maps every few months so in the end you spend like $100 in a year for what 10 years ago would've been present on release in the stock game at $50.

 

Or perhaps look at iRacing, considered the "top" racing sim. You buy it, but get almost no cars or tracks. Want those? Pay. Want to play offline? There's no AI, so all you can do is lonely laps. Online is all there is, and oh you pay per month for that. So you get almost no content for your purchase, have to buy individually X track and Y car, and then have to keep paying every month just to use them!

[onlyforbrian]

I thought the same thing. I have bought everything Oleg ever put out, and a warning flatspinman...if this new game will have the same pricing model as ROF (which I also own) I'm not interested and neither will many others be. To answer your question, "Who gives other freeware"? Well...many others like Battlefield 3 give HUGE games, rank ups, extra weapons, many maps etc., in fact, I bought battlefield 3 PREMIUM edition, and got 5 games in one (sequels) 2 of them not even released yet , so FREE ADDONS yes! And all for 60 bucks! Not to mention, FREE MULTIPLAYER!! I found ROF to be a total ripoff and that will be the first and last game I buy from 777 studios under that price platform. Many of the free addons under old  platforms ( Call of Duty maps for instance) were made by members, when ROF started charging 5 or 6 bucks for a single plane..I lost interest. I thought shelling out 60 or 70 bucks for the game was plenty..then trying to suck more money out of me for every little addon , just stunk of pure greed. Not only that but ROF didn't even fly that well, and I found online play next to impossible, and yes, I have a high end gaming computer. Maybe a compromise would be to allow third party addons with some open code.

Edited December 11, 2012 by onlyforbrian

[onlyforbrian]

By the way..Jedi, I would stick with IL1946 , as you suggest, ..but now all my il2 series ( with the exception of Cliffs of Dover) are totally useless since I moved up to windows 7 , 64 bit.  I can understand putting out a game for 60 bucks, then 6 months or a year later coming out with a sequel and charging 60 bucks for that,. example,.. the IL2 series, Call of Duty etc., but 777 studio, actually , in their greedy little way, it seems to me, just released HALF a game, deliberately withholding planes and content, so that if you wanted the "full meal deal" you had to dig deeper and shell out more money...in my humble opinion...BS! So if that's the direction they're going with their pricing on BOS, count me (and many others) out!

Edited December 11, 2012 by onlyforbrian

[Revvin]

We all expect more and more realism from developers, right down to the nitty gritty of how many rivets should be seen along a particular cockpit spar but many expect to pay the same old price of the original IL-2, it doesn't stack up against the work the developers are putting into these sims now. I've bought a lot of content for RoF and will do so with the new IL-2 if I have the means to do so.

[Jason_Williams]

The business model will not be exactly the same, but will have some similar features. Our system is flexible. As I have said before, the days of a single $40 purchase to get you 50+ planes is over. The costs are too high and the market is too small unfortunately. We're it, the thin red line trying to keep hard-core combat sim development alive. The ROF business model works for ROF and we've taken many steps to save users money and lower the cost and yes, you can play for free.

 

Jason

[Freycinet]

I'd hazard to say that if they hadn't invented the RoF price model then it would HAVE to be invented, to keep the genre alive. A plane for the price of a movie ticket: that's fair. Especially when you consider that those who buy the sim aren't exactly poor, having shelved out 1000+ dollars for a computer and peripherals to run it well.

[SlipBall]

The business model will not be exactly the same, but will have some similar features. Our system is flexible. As I have said before, the days of a single $40 purchase to get you 50+ planes is over. The costs are too high and the market is too small unfortunately. We're it, the thin red line trying to keep hard-core combat sim development alive. The ROF business model works for ROF and we've taken many steps to save users money and lower the cost and yes, you can play for free.

 

Jason

HI Jason, congrats on the new project!...could you share your vision of the product at release, examples, fmb, scripting capabilities, ground vehicles, available objects for mission design, thanks  

Edited December 11, 2012 by SlipBall

[DD_Crash]

By the way..Jedi, I would stick with IL1946 , as you suggest, ..but now all my il2 series ( with the exception of Cliffs of Dover) are totally useless since I moved up to windows 7 , 64 bit.

1946 runs fine on Win7 64 bit. The only issue is if you install into C:programs. Creat a new directory ie C:Games install there and all is well

[MadTommy]

I'm happy and think the RoF pricing system is great.

 

You don't need to buy stuff to win.. stock planes still kick ass and if you want to pimp your ride you can.

 

I much prefer to pay per plane and buy what i actually want.

[Sim]

I agree that RoF price model is fine. The funny thing that if you go to CloD multiplayer you see everyone flying either spit or bf109. So that's two planes you would need to buy under RoF price model... don't get the complaining.

[hegykc]

Comparing a flight simulation to a mainstream FPS? Grow up. If CloD or ROF had 30 million paying customers per title, it would cost a lot less and offer a lot more. Since the sim market is probably 3,000 times smaller expect to pay for a luxury of having a quality flight sim at all.

[SYN_Mike77]

Realistically, the RoF business model is our best hope.  Besides, if you don't like a plane or don't want to use it, don't buy it!

[onlyforbrian]

1946 runs fine on Win7 64 bit. The only issue is if you install into C:programs. Creat a new directory ie C:Games install there and all is well

Thanks Jedi, I have windows 7 ultra, apparently there is an option to get it to accept 32 bit.. I got my Flight sim X to work, but after I installed 1946 it kept crashing on start up, but I'll give the new folder idea a try.  The Cliffs of Dover is fine offline but I gave up on multiplayer, many servers, the guys are cranking up full realism , torque, winds, etc., etc., and pushing all that over the net made it almost unplayable.. ROF in my opinion, offered so little, I rarely play it.

[JediMaster]

If the stock product doesn't seem to offer enough planes or maps, don't buy that either!

 

Frankly, the range of negative opinions I'm seeing here is laughable.

 

ROF is worse than CloD, this is bad.

CloD was never fixed and this won't integrate so even though it's better, this is bad.

I'm not going to get dozens and dozens of planes in a finished, polished package for $40 (you know people complain if it's over that too) with dozens of free updates for years to come, this is bad.

 

How about that Eagle Dynamics? They just made a P-51D. For $40. One plane. You fly it in the Caucusus. In the late 20th century, against late 20 century air and ground targets. You can slap an Axis skin on it and have 51 vs 51 fights!

 

Face it: the model used by 90s flight sims, that Il-2 brought alone into the 21st century because it started its development then, is dead. Development costs too much, too few people buy them because even console-based "sims" are "too hard" for the masses...they want to fly like in Battlefield. You want a $40 sim that has it all? Go back to 1998, or send a Terminator to kill the ones who made the Xbox, Playstation, and Wii so that PCs are the only gaming option. That is not the current market reality. Wail against it as much as you want, you can't change that. All you can do now, by refusing to even consider what 777 and 1C are going to do next, is ensure that it will be the LAST serious WWII sim ever made.

 

You won't see another if this fails.

[TheBlackPenguin]

By the way..Jedi, I would stick with IL1946 , as you suggest, ..but now all my il2 series ( with the exception of Cliffs of Dover) are totally useless since I moved up to windows 7 , 64 bit.  I can understand putting out a game for 60 bucks, then 6 months or a year later coming out with a sequel and charging 60 bucks for that,. example,.. the IL2 series, Call of Duty etc., but 777 studio, actually , in their greedy little way, it seems to me, just released HALF a game, deliberately withholding planes and content, so that if you wanted the "full meal deal" you had to dig deeper and shell out more money...in my humble opinion...BS! So if that's the direction they're going with their pricing on BOS, count me (and many others) out!

 

Call of Duty rakes in a billion in sales each year, Clod made a loss and was released early becuase Ubisoft doesn't believe in it anymore as they think the return on investment doesn't justify the costs. We're a niche market demanding more than ever and the money has to come from somewhere. ROF's model works and works well, deal with it or go without. As for your snarky many others comment, you can only comment for yourself.

 

Oh wonder why Chris Roberts Wing Commander's next installment, Star Citizen ended up on Crowdfunding site like Kickstarter? Same with Frontier's Elite: Dangerous? No publisher wants to know, and if they do they will change the game to suit their vision to get maximum ROI:

 

Read this:

 

http://www.incgamers.com/2012/11/credits-cobras-and-crowd-funding-david-braben-tells-us-about-elite-dangerous/

 

What he says about publishers and other things will ring true with Jason and many other flight simmers, its the same deal.

 

Matt

[Mysticpuma]

Funny, I spent $20 for ICE and got 9 planes with scripted campaigns, MP of the coop and dogfight nature, single missions both scripted and random, and a dynamic career. There have been regular free updates that added new AI planes to fight with and against as well as improving the performance and appearance. The extra planes and things aren't needed, you can play the game perfectly without them.

 

 

 

Exactly what I did. All the content that is needed and all the other aircraft are at a players descretion. I look forward to the 190 and P-51 clashing in the skies...but that's my choice and I'm sure that these two aircraft will be high earner's for the new team

[mazex]

I must say I like the RoF model even though it has cost me well over $100 (won't sum the costs up if my wife pops by and looks over my shoulder )

 

In a small niche like the PC flight sim one today there is a need for more than $39 per player for a title to get any quality. I have all the planes in RoF accept the last three "pre purchases" (mostly bought on full price) and I've actually spent very little time playing the game as I'm more of a WWII guy. I did it to support a game engine that looked promising and it seems like my investment finally paid off

 

And for the ones that don't have the money you will probably be able to fly the base plane set for a very cheap entry fee... And maybe buy some planes you like in the rather frequent sales they have. There are often "catch up sales" where you can get the "oldies" for something like $2.50 each.

[LeazesNDR]

I've bought everything that Rise Of Flight has offered with the exception of the Personal Packs, and the majority of stuff was bought at the full price.

This amounts to a lot of money but the thing is I 've not regretted spending a single penny on ROF and whats more, no matter what I've spent, it doesn't actually seem like I've spent that much on it.

 

If this Battle Of Stalingrad thingy offers the same amount of enjoyment as ROF has then I cant wait.

[Jason_Williams]

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but please post all questions here. http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/index.php?showtopic=7

 

Jason