Too many Il2 games - Merging everything

[Nic727]

Hi,

 

Il2 Battle of Stalingrad and Battle of Moscow are the latest il2 games with a great game engine, but there is still some development on Il2 1946 by Daidalos Team and Il2 Cliffs of Dover by ATAG team.

777 studios is currently improving and making add-on for Il2 BOS. I think the best idea is to merge everything into one game.

What I mean is that there is multiple things we could do to make the game better. What about hiring or allowing Daidalos Team and ATAG team to help the development of Il2 BOS (in their spare time like now)?

 

1. Daidalos Team could help to create dynamic campaign and pacific battle into the game.

2. ATAG team could help to make Battle of Britain.

3. 777 studios could continue development of add-on and game features improvements.

 

Now the current community is divided into different game, but I think having just one big Il2 Sturmovik game with recent engine could change a lot of things. More players, more free and paid contents.

 

What do you think?

That would be really cool.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Nic727

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

seems to be a nice idea but technical and programmingwise. three or more worlds. am i right ?

   

[Taxman]

seems to be a nice idea but technical and programmingwise. three or more worlds. am i right ?

 

I think you are right.  Most important is that each Il-2 uses a different program "engine" and to merge the 3 would not be feasible, anyone else to confirm this?  

[AndyJWest]

Yup. The game engines are too different to 'merge' anything. As for anything done by volunteers, they need to contact the developers themselves if they have serious proposals - other people 'volunteering' them to work for free on a commercial product doesn't seem exactly appropriate.

Edited September 5, 2016 by AndyJWest

[Nic727]

I wasn't trying to say to merge the three games, but merging the three teams to develop more stuffs in the current Il2 Sturmovik BOS engine.

I think it's time to get everyone on the same game.

[AndyJWest]

Really? I think that people on a 'merged team' would all expect to be paid for their work. Do you have any evidence to the contrary, since that seems to be what you are suggesting? 

[Cybermat47]

I wasn't trying to say to merge the three games, but merging the three teams to develop more stuffs in the current Il2 Sturmovik BOS engine.

I think it's time to get everyone on the same game.

I think it's fine as it is. I don't know what Daidalos are doing (probably something awesome), Team Fusion are busy making dozens of new aircraft and a brand new map, and 1C and 777 are doing fine by themselves. They're all making quality content - let's let them do their own thing so that we can get more of it.

[Feathered_IV]

The maps of each game are constructed differently and are incompatible. You cannot merge them and would have to make them from scratch. The aircraft of each game are also constructed differently and are incompatible. You cannot merge them and would have to make them from scratch. The objects of each game are constructed differently and are incompatible. You cannot merge them and would have to make them from scratch too.

[ShamrockOneFive]

It's a great blue sky kind of idea... But as others have pointed out, we're comparing apples and oranges for the most part.

 

IL-2 BoS/BoM are the new generation, IL-2 1946 continues on but its greatly diminished in players from its hey day, and there's a niche group playing Cliffs of Dover. That's all cool. There's also plenty of other sims out there like Rise of Flight, DCS, and recently I learned that modders are keeping an iteration of Falcon 4.0 going a decade and a half after its release.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

if you cant see 3 type of software programs running here? then something is seriously wrong with your eyes my friend.

[unreasonable]

I really want something that merges RoF.BoX with Elder scrolls so that I can duel dragons in my N17.

[wtornado]

if you cant see 3 type of software programs running here? then something is seriously wrong with your eyes my friend.

 

I am good this morning not saying anything  I am waiting for 2.004

[PatrickAWlson]

Not feasible.  Completely different code bases.  What you would have to do is look at features from older products and look into developing them into the newer one  Sometimes the existing code base will help.  Usually it will not help every much.  The feature would require a ground up rewrite or very significant rework.

[Fern]

I said this in another thread.

 

Don't merge the games, but bring Team Fusion and Diadolas over to the team. Give them full access to the IL2 BOS game engine and let them make their theater, while 777/1C focuses on the Eastern Front. Pay them 50/40/30? percent profit of the sales of their new theater that they produce. Make our IL2 community bigger and better.

 

WWII was fought on multiple fronts at once, so should this game.

[J37_Spyboy]

Hi Pat

See you reading so just want to say thanks for your work, in real time

S

[Lusekofte]

As I understand it, there is not much profits far from doing this game, how can multiple the staff help at all. 777 with salary and TF / TD just ideology?

What make you think they would be interested, you see how the followers bitch at each other . And you want to merge? 

Why not try to merge the communities first. I have done nothing else than making people try out BOS and COD in IL 2 community, trying to get BOS players to COD and COD players to BOS. Some have eventually come, not because of me, but it took a couple of years. 

I say get people interested in the genre, no matter witch game. Get new people in, the ones liking ww2 sims will migrate between the 3 games we have 

[BraveSirRobin]

I said this in another thread.

Don't merge the games, but bring Team Fusion and Diadolas over to the team. Give them full access to the IL2 BOS game engine and let them make their theater, while 777/1C focuses on the Eastern Front. Pay them 50/40/30? percent profit of the sales of their new theater that they produce. Make our IL2 community bigger and better.

WWII was fought on multiple fronts at once, so should this game.

The TF guys have real jobs. They probably can't afford the pay cut they'd have to take to work on flight sims full time.

[Cybermat47]

As I understand it, there is not much profits far from doing this game, how can multiple the staff help at all. 777 with salary and TF / TD just ideology?

What make you think they would be interested, you see how the followers bitch at each other . And you want to merge? 

Why not try to merge the communities first. I have done nothing else than making people try out BOS and COD in IL 2 community, trying to get BOS players to COD and COD players to BOS. Some have eventually come, not because of me, but it took a couple of years. 

I say get people interested in the genre, no matter witch game. Get new people in, the ones liking ww2 sims will migrate between the 3 games we have

 

I've always found it ridiculous how people act like that... they don't seem to realise that at the moment, the games complement each other, they don't compete.

 

If I want to play as a pilot of 3./JG 2 in the Battle of Britain, I play IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover. If I want to play as a B-17 gunner during a raid on Germany's industry in the Ruhr, or as a RAAF P-40 pilot defending New Guinea against swarms of Betties, I play IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946. If I want to play as a Sturmovik pilot providing close air support at the Battle of Stalingrad, I play IL-2 Sturmovik (the new one... the name change has made things a bit confusing, huh? ).

[Nic727]

I said this in another thread.

 

Don't merge the games, but bring Team Fusion and Diadolas over to the team. Give them full access to the IL2 BOS game engine and let them make their theater, while 777/1C focuses on the Eastern Front. Pay them 50/40/30? percent profit of the sales of their new theater that they produce. Make our IL2 community bigger and better.

 

WWII was fought on multiple fronts at once, so should this game.

 

That was I was trying to say. One big game regrouping everything with the new technologies from IL2 BOS engine. Regrouping the expertise and experience of each teams. I know that they have a job outside, but they can continue like that. That's not a problem for me if we just get one map and some aircraft one time a year. We could get eastern front, western front, Africa, Asia and pacific battles with dynamic campaign, a great UI and an in-game multiplayers working like Hyperlobby.

 

It may never happen, but I would be happy if it's happening in the futur. IL-2 1946 has a 10 years old engine, Cliffs of Dover is only about channel map and 777 studios continue the development of the new Il2 sturmovik, but with lack of dynamic campaign and community add-on/maps. Trying to get everything inside one big game would be amazing!

[BraveSirRobin]

There is absolutely no chance that it's going to happen.

[LukeFF]

I said this in another thread.

 

Don't merge the games, but bring Team Fusion and Diadolas over to the team. Give them full access to the IL2 BOS game engine and let them make their theater, while 777/1C focuses on the Eastern Front. Pay them 50/40/30? percent profit of the sales of their new theater that they produce. Make our IL2 community bigger and better.

 

WWII was fought on multiple fronts at once, so should this game.

 

I trust 1CGS's judgment on things like this entirely more than anything like this ridiculous idea.

[AndyJWest]

I've still to see anyone provide the slightest bit of evidence that anyone from TD or TF wants to work on this sim. And without that, the whole thread is utterly pointless.

[BraveSirRobin]

Are people not allowed to have ideas and dream? Flipping commies. They're doing all their work for free right? Why wouldnt they want to get paid for their efforts if 1CGS could pay them?

 

They can do that now.  They apply for a job with 1CGS and take a big cut in pay if they get hired.  That seems unlikely.  It also seems unlikely that 1CGS is going to turn over it's code to a bunch of hackers.  

 

So feel free to have dreams about something that is never going to happen, but don't expect people to look at your hopes and dreams thread and pretend that it's a serious idea.

[Cybermat47]

It also seems unlikely that 1CGS is going to turn over it's code to a bunch of hackers.

What?

[Fern]

They can do that now. They apply for a job with 1CGS and take a big cut in pay if they get hired. That seems unlikely. It also seems unlikely that 1CGS is going to turn over it's code to a bunch of hackers.

 

So feel free to have dreams about something that is never going to happen, but don't expect people to look at your hopes and dreams thread and pretend that it's a serious idea.

I guess you haven't had two jobs before.

[Lusekofte]

Why do everyone assume the developers are payed badly? It is a growing middle-class in Russia, at least there was . 

[Bearcat]

I guess you haven't had two jobs before.

 

 

Please check your PMs... 

[Mysticpuma]

BraveSirRobin you do make me lol

[II./JG27_Rich]

I like things the way they are.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's a great blue sky kind of idea... But as others have pointed out, we're comparing apples and oranges for the most part.

 

IL-2 BoS/BoM are the new generation, IL-2 1946 continues on but its greatly diminished in players from its hey day, and there's a niche group playing Cliffs of Dover. That's all cool. There's also plenty of other sims out there like Rise of Flight, DCS, and recently I learned that modders are keeping an iteration of Falcon 4.0 going a decade and a half after its release.

More like apples and sea shells......................