LaGG. Its Whats For Dinner.

[Matt]

Both the LaGG and 109 have about the same rollrate in BoS.

 

About 5 seconds for a 360° roll at 300 km/h and 500 km/h IAS and about 4 seconds for a 360° roll at 400 km/h IAS.

 

That's somewhere in the 70-90°/sec area.

 

Rediculous how people turn that into "faster than a real FW-190" rollrate.

[Finkeren]

 Here is nothing wrong! What's your roll rate at 450km/h in the Lagg-3? Please post a video if you can.

 

No video, as I don't have any recording software, but I clocked it using a stop watch just 5 mins ago. With rudder input at 400 km/h, I can roll 360^o in 2.3 seconds in the LaGG, no snap roll. Left hand roll is the fastest.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Finkeren

[dkoor]

Lagg3 will be the new Noop28. I like it.

No. Nothing beats Nieuport 28  .

 

If asked to describe that plane in one word, I'd say "useless".

 

Maybe if they decided to introduce that Italian bird, I forgot the plane name, which was dubbed as the worst aircraft in the world.

I feel LaGG-3 at least has excellent field of view, nice weaponry that aren't too hard to use and somewhat decent maneuverability.

More than useful as interceptor in Stalingrad theatre (full of Stukas and other low flying axis objects).

[Finkeren]

Just did another test at 450 km/h IAS at 1000m altitude with no rudder input, just aileron:

 

Left hand 360^o: 2.9 sec.

 

Right hand 360^o: 4.1 sec.

 

Average of 5 attempts each.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Finkeren

[Finkeren]

For the Bf 109:

 

With rudder:

 

Left hand 360^o: 2.6 sec

 

Right hand 360^o: Invariably resulted in a snap roll.

 

Without rudder:

 

Left hand 360^o: 3.5 sec

 

Right hand 360^o: 3.6 sec

 

Conclusion: The LaGG has a marginal edge in a left hand roll, though the Bf 109 performs it more smoothly with little tendency to dip its nose.

[DB605]

Both the LaGG and 109 have about the same rollrate in BoS.

 

About 5 seconds for a 360° roll at 300 km/h and 500 km/h IAS and about 4 seconds for a 360° roll at 400 km/h IAS.

 

That's somewhere in the 70-90°/sec area.

 

Rediculous how people turn that into "faster than a real FW-190" rollrate.

 

Irl Bf 109 G2 roll rate = 4-4.5 sec for 360degree roll at 460kph = 80-90 degree/sec roll rate. So they got this pretty much spot on it seems. Would love to see some charts of LaGG but i guess there isn't any available.

Edit, actually bit too fast judging by Finkeren test.

Edited November 27, 2013 by DB605

[Finkeren]

I don't understand, how ppl get the 4 - 5 sec time for a 360?

 

Is it maximum sustainable roll rate (average on 5 consecutive rolls or something) or am I doing something wrong here? 

[EAF_Paf]

I killed my LaGG today Oh boy

[Panzerlang]

Holy crap!

[II./JG27_Rich]

There goes our fire wood...CURSES... another freezing night!

[MarcoRossolini]

Nah just stand close to the flaming wreckage, you'll be fine. 

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

For the Bf 109:

 

With rudder:

 

Left hand 360^o: 2.6 sec

 

Right hand 360^o: Invariably resulted in a snap roll.

 

Without rudder:

 

Left hand 360^o: 3.5 sec

 

Right hand 360^o: 3.6 sec

 

Conclusion: The LaGG has a marginal edge in a left hand roll, though the Bf 109 performs it more smoothly with little tendency to dip its nose.

 

Thanks for taking the time to debunk that silly BS about broken flight models rolling faster than an FW.  

[Finkeren]

Thanks for taking the time to debunk that silly BS about broken flight models rolling faster than an FW.

Honestly I've never done FM testing before, and don't take my numbers as anything other, than what some random schmuck with a stop watch could do in 10 mins. I merely did it to debunk the claim of ridiculously slow roll rates of 4 - 5 sec that some were slinging around.

 

It'll take someone more qualified than me to produce accurate numbers worth putting in a manual.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I should ask my friend to dig up the tests Finns did on the LagG-3's that were captured. I think a Series 4 and a Series 29 were in question. But from what I recall BOTH were deemed poor in terms of combat performance. The complication came from unreliable tech, pilot workload and poor performance in all areas. Level speed was OK. The Series 29 achieved one confirmed kill in Finnish colors and ironically against another LagG-3. Series 66 was the one that could fight against a Bf109G in more or less equal terms if the pilot was up to it. But that model was used in Southern regions, not everywhere.

 

 Anyways. I would not get too cocky against a LagG-3 in a Bf109. It still has the guns that will hurt and bad if the pilot gets a good bead. Pretty much you have to nail the LagG-3 in one pass or damage it badly enough so it can not pull it's guns on you when extending. I will fly it a lot along the Bf109 to learn the ropes. Know your adversary! On top of that comms and team work and we are set for a scene of epic fights.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

Honestly I've never done FM testing before, and don't take my numbers as anything other, than what some random schmuck with a stop watch could do in 10 mins. I merely did it to debunk the claim of ridiculously slow roll rates of 4 - 5 sec that some were slinging around.

 

It'll take someone more qualified than me to produce accurate numbers worth putting in a manual.

 

I'm thinking that entry speed has a lot to do with it.

[Finkeren]

I'm thinking that entry speed has a lot to do with it.

I didn't find that as much, but of course I only tested in the optimal speed range of 400 - 450 km/h. Still, the rolls didn't feel very different from the ones I've done at high speed, though at speeds below 350 the LaGG has some stability issues and can't roll at full deflection.

[=38=Tatarenko]

. The complication came from unreliable tech ...

 

Yep. The first LaGGs introduced into service were found to have 2200 problems on delivery! One batch were wheeled into a hangar and the next morning the whole lot were found on the floor. It has been estimated that they had the worst introduction into service of any plane ever.

[Finkeren]

LaGG = ClOD

 

Yep. The first LaGGs introduced into service were found to have 2200 problems on delivery! One batch were wheeled into a hangar and the next morning the whole lot were found on the floor. It has been estimated that they had the worst introduction into service of any plane ever.

 LaGG = ClOD

 

Sorry. Someone had to say it.

[SYN_DerHesse70]

No video, as I don't have any recording software, but I clocked it using a stop watch just 5 mins ago. With rudder input at 400 km/h, I can roll 360^o in 2.3 seconds in the LaGG, no snap roll. Left hand roll is the fastest.

This is useles without a vid man!! And what about your fuel load?

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Tatarenko. The problems were also found on other planes like Yak etc. For example: misaligned doors and panels, loose fittings, wrong connections etc. A friend of mine knew an older man who had been IL-2 Mechanic in war and he had said it was easier to just abandon the planes than start repairing them after the mass production kicked in. Quality was shoddy even then, but as Stalin said: Quantity in itself is quality

 

 Going to test this roll rate thing when I get my 290X today, FINALLY! Again, a good find at this point of Early Access. Plenty of time to test and report to the devs.

[Finkeren]

This is useles without a vid man!! And what about your fuel load?

 

I'm not looking to convince anyone. I'm simply explaining my findings, and posting them on this thread, since it was claims made here which promted me to do the tests in the first place. Someone more qualified than me can do a proper test and document it. That would be great.

 

Fuel load was 100% BTW, not that I think it'll have much of an impact on roll rate.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I always use 100% fuel for testing. And later on with guns working also full ammo. To make the plane behave as in combat configuration. It is pretty useless to test a plane with barely enough fuel for a climb to a certain altitude and landing, which was done by some manufacturers to make the figures look good. Testing in combat config gives much better idea of the real performance and teaches to fly the plane better.

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

I will say this, I am immensly glad that the Lagg 3 is the way it is in this game, it so drastically over-performs in War thunder its not even funny

[LLv44_Mprhead]

S!

 

 I should ask my friend to dig up the tests Finns did on the LagG-3's that were captured. I think a Series 4 and a Series 29 were in question. But from what I recall BOTH were deemed poor in terms of combat performance. The complication came from unreliable tech, pilot workload and poor performance in all areas. Level speed was OK. 

 

It would be interesting to see what the Finnish test reports say about LaGG-3. 

[Matt]

I merely did it to debunk the claim of ridiculously slow roll rates of 4 - 5 sec that some were slinging around.

Ill do a video next time.

 

And debunking my about 5 sec claim at 300 km/h by testing at 400-450 km/h is not really that debunking.

[DB605]

It would be interesting to see what the Finnish test reports say about LaGG-3. 

You can find "experience report" in finnish here:

http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index.php/topic,82987.0.html

Dunno if there is other test too, very interesting read anyways. They seems not to praise it too much...