Individual controller setup per aircraft request now the JU-52 is announced

[fjacobsen]

May I request an option to assign my controller setup for each individual aircraft ?

 

I have a CH Products Throttle Quadrant with 6 levers.

 

Right now I have 2 axis set for throttle engine 1+2, 2 axis for Prop RPM 1+3 and 2 axis for Mixture 1+2.

 

But when the JU-52 arrives I would prefer ths without wrecking the setup for other aircraft:

3 axis set for throttle engine 1+2+3, 3 axis for Mixture 1+2+3.

 

As far as I know the JU-52/3mg did not have variable pitch or constant speed props.

If they had such propellers, then I would lik this:

3 axis set for throttle engine 1+2+3, 1 axis for all Prop RPM 1+2+3 and 1 axis for all Mixture 1+2+3.

 

 

FinnJ

Edited August 30, 2016 by fjacobsen

[migmadmarine]

Can you save seperate profiles under different names? I know this is what I do in RoF, I have one for most aircraft, and one saved for the Ilya Muromets.

[wtornado]

I just select ''All engines'' to sync all the engines for prop pitch and mixture for my Throttle Quadrant

[fjacobsen]

There doesn´t seem to be an option to save individual controller setups in IL-2 BOS/BOM

 

Selecting "All Engines" to sync all engines means that You only will use one axis as throttle for all Engines, that's not what I need.

 

As said - I have 6 axis that I would like to assign to these two control schemes:

 

For one/two engine aircraft:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Prop Engine 1

Axis4: Prop Engine 2

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1

Axis6: Mixture Engine 2

 

For JU-52 (and other 3 engine aircraft that might be developed):

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Mixture Engine 1

Axis5: Mixture Engine 2

Axis6: Mixture Engine 3

 

Or:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Prop Engine 1+2+3

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1+2+3

Axis6: Not used

 

 

FinnJ

[TP_Jacko]

As I understand the fully programmable throttle quadrant comes with CH Control Manager Software.

I don't know but can you create and select each profile from the manager software.

Edited September 1, 2016 by TP_Jacko

[Jade_Monkey]

There doesn´t seem to be an option to save individual controller setups in IL-2 BOS/BOM

 

Selecting "All Engines" to sync all engines means that You only will use one axis as throttle for all Engines, that's not what I need.

 

As said - I have 6 axis that I would like to assign to these two control schemes:

 

For one/two engine aircraft:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Prop Engine 1

Axis4: Prop Engine 2

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1

Axis6: Mixture Engine 2

 

For JU-52 (and other 3 engine aircraft that might be developed):

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Mixture Engine 1

Axis5: Mixture Engine 2

Axis6: Mixture Engine 3

 

Or:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Prop Engine 1+2+3

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1+2+3

Axis6: Not used

 

 

FinnJ

That should be possible provided they add the controls for engine #3 in the options menu. Right now we have #1 and #2, but i would assume that when the Ju52 is launched that #3 will be added. Edited September 1, 2016 by Jade_Monkey

[fjacobsen]

My point is not the added 3rd engine control.

What I request is a feature that means I don't have to manually load seperate controller profiles for various aircraft.

 

What I would like is that I can setup a specific profile for each individual aircraft. This prifile is automatically and seemless loaded when I select the Aircraft.

 

For those flying in FSX or P3D using a registered version of FSUIp, will knlw how You can setup such profiles.

If I want to fly a two engined Dash 8 Q400 I simply load it in the sim and the individual axis' are setup with no input from me. If I then seklect a 4 engined Boeing 747 than the controls are automatically reassigned.

 

Finnj

[9./JG27golani79]

I´d love to see this - one problem I have is with the brakes for example.

 

I´ve assigned left and right toe brake to my rudder pedals so I can use them in the german planes.

If I fly russian planes though I can´t assign one toe brake for the wheel brakes as I would also brake with both in the german planes.

 

So I have to use another assignment for the wheel brakes.

 

Would be really nice if we were able to set up controls for each AC independently.

[fjacobsen]

I´d love to see this - one problem I have is with the brakes for example.

 

I´ve assigned left and right toe brake to my rudder pedals so I can use them in the german planes.

If I fly russian planes though I can´t assign one toe brake for the wheel brakes as I would also brake with both in the german planes.

 

So I have to use another assignment for the wheel brakes.

 

Would be really nice if we were able to set up controls for each AC independently.

 

Yes those brake assignments would be nice to have too.

 

In DCS Every module has it´s own controller setup, but I better like the way FSX/P3D FSUIPC works. There You can make a "Generic" setup like:

 

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Prop Engine 1

Axis4: Prop Engine 2

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1

Axis6: Mixture Engine 2

 

That setup will work for both single and twin engined aircraft.

 

With FSUIPC You can use that gerneric setup as a base setup, that then can be edited to Your liking and used for a specific aircraft.

 

The DCS option is nice, but with the number of aircraft we have in IL-2 BOS/BOM it might be too much, if users have to setup each indiidual aircraft.

 

Also in IL-2 BOS/BOM some aircraft don´t have mixture levers and the axis' for those from the generic setup could be used for something else.

 

 

But the option to atleast save/load individual controller setups would be fine for me and I think this would be easiest way to do it for the Devs.

 

 

FinnJ

Edited September 1, 2016 by fjacobsen

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

I´d love to see this - one problem I have is with the brakes for example.

 

I´ve assigned left and right toe brake to my rudder pedals so I can use them in the german planes.

If I fly russian planes though I can´t assign one toe brake for the wheel brakes as I would also brake with both in the german planes.

 

So I have to use another assignment for the wheel brakes.

 

Would be really nice if we were able to set up controls for each AC independently.

Well, the brakes for Soviet aircraft were a button/lever on the yoke/stick anyways.

 

I have mine set to a button on my throttle.  Just throwing that out there....I think that's what they had in mind when they made the controls.

Edited September 1, 2016 by Y-29.Layin_Scunion

[9./JG27golani79]

If I recall correctly the russian planes are using levers - so comparable to an axis.

 

If you use a button - which is was I am using for now too - you either have 0 or 1 when you brake.

 

Or am I wrong about how the brake lever is working?

[Sokol1]

... toe brake....

If I fly russian planes though I can´t assign one toe brake for the wheel brakes as I would also brake with both in the german planes.

So I have to use another assignment for the wheel brakes.

 

If want can "cheater"  and assign fake "joe brakes" for Russian planes.

 

Each command, example "wheel brake (both wheels) accept 3 different inputs, by keys, joy buttons or axis.

 

So assign in one controls box left pedal for "Wheel brakes" and right pedal too for "Wheel brakes", maybe need invert one.

 

Now you have two axis combined in one. How use?

 

Press the pedal brake and move the rudder for same side, will brake only this wheel. This "cheater" was used in il-2:46, by editing config files.

 

The fact that you have right (and left) pedal axis already assigned for "Right wheel brakes" and "Left wheel brakes" does not prevent assign this same axis for other commands - like is prevent in DCSW.

 

Since is not possible fly Russian and German Planes at same time, this multiply assignments has no "collateral effect". 

 

BTW - What OP want using FSX as example in his game require a 3rd part - payware program...  

 

Anyway post there as suggestion: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/767-thread-gather-your-suggestions/page-13

Edited September 2, 2016 by Sokol1

[fjacobsen]

........

 

BTW - What OP want using FSX as example in his game require a 3rd part - payware program...  

 

Anyway post there as suggestion: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/767-thread-gather-your-suggestions/page-13

 

I don´t ask for a 3rd party program. I just aks for the feature to store different controller setups now the JU-52 with 3 engines soon arrives.

While the current planeset and controller options works fine, I do see problems arise when the JU-52 is released.

If I have to re-assign my controls each time I want to fly the JU-52 and then re-assign again when I want to fly the other aircraft, then I guess the JU-52 quickly become a hangar queen, since it troublesome to re-assign all controls.

 

If we get the option to simply save/load various controller setups that suits the aircraft I we want to fly, then it get's so much easier.

 

 

FinnJ

[Stig]

I don´t ask for a 3rd party program. I just aks for the feature to store different controller setups now the JU-52 with 3 engines soon arrives.

While the current planeset and controller options works fine, I do see problems arise when the JU-52 is released.

If I have to re-assign my controls each time I want to fly the JU-52 and then re-assign again when I want to fly the other aircraft, then I guess the JU-52 quickly become a hangar queen, since it troublesome to re-assign all controls.

 

If we get the option to simply save/load various controller setups that suits the aircraft I we want to fly, then it get's so much easier.

 

 

FinnJ

 

I know what you mean;  as in CloD where you can save a profile for each individual aircraft. That would be convenient to have here as well.

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

If I recall correctly the russian planes are using levers - so comparable to an axis.

 

If you use a button - which is was I am using for now too - you either have 0 or 1 when you brake.

 

Or am I wrong about how the brake lever is working?

You are correct.  You have full brakes when you hit the brake lever and use your rudder to steer.

[wtornado]

There doesn´t seem to be an option to save individual controller setups in IL-2 BOS/BOM

 

Selecting "All Engines" to sync all engines means that You only will use one axis as throttle for all Engines, that's not what I need.

 

As said - I have 6 axis that I would like to assign to these two control schemes:

 

For one/two engine aircraft:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Prop Engine 1

Axis4: Prop Engine 2

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1

Axis6: Mixture Engine 2

 

For JU-52 (and other 3 engine aircraft that might be developed):

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Mixture Engine 1

Axis5: Mixture Engine 2

Axis6: Mixture Engine 3

 

Or:

Axis1: Throttle Engine 1

Axis2: Throttle Engine 2

Axis3: Throttle Engine 3

Axis4: Prop Engine 1+2+3

Axis5: Mixture Engine 1+2+3

Axis6: Not used

 

 

FinnJ

I have a throttle quadrant too and mine is once ''all engines'' i selected they are the joystick axis runs both engines

simultaneously and from left to right on my CH throttle quadrant the first axis is prop pitch the second is mixture the

third is water radiator the fourth is oil radiator the fifth is left brake and the right is the (right brake and the brakes for

the Russian aircraft too).

 

With all engines selected both engines are synchronized perfectly and raise and lower the settings equally.

 

Even engine start with ''all engines'' selected,engine one will start followed by engine 2.

 

TO access single engine mode on the throttle quadrant the first button from the left  button 1 up is engine 1,engine 2 is button 2

and select all engines is button 3.

 

With this setup lets say button 1 or ''engine 1 is selected all your axises remain the same from left to right for prop pitch,mixture,water rad and oil rad.

 

Add buttons 3 and 4 for more engines like engine 3 and engine 4 and switch all engines elsewhere and you can fly a B-17.

 

I just find it easier and the engines are always perfectly synchronized.The game engine management is not complex enough so that you

would have to synchronize the engines perfectly by using your gage reading.

Sort of the old IL-2 1946 way of setting up bombers to fly.

[Gambit21]

Yeah I keep it simple anyway - read "Lazy" with setup.

Likely if I find myself having to manage a single engine even in the He111, I'm going down.

 

I should probably but a few more minutes into my controller setup.

Not sure what I'll do with the Ju52, which I plan on flying quite a bit.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Gambit21

[wtornado]

The fun part is with the setup I fly single engine planes to twin engine bombers with no hassle and if you have to

shut an engine down and feather a prop it is easy.

 

When I am flying the 111 I have my hands full getting to alt,hold my course manning my guns setting up my bombardier.

 

And like I said you can run as many engines from 1 to 6 and even fly the ME-323  if you want too Gigant if you want  .

.

[fjacobsen]

Hmm..

I didn´t buy a throttle quadrant in order to use just a single axis for throttle, another for prop RPM and then another for Mixture.

 

Flying a 2 engined aircraft with only 1 physical throttle simply doesn´t feel natural - but offcourse we are all different.

 

But adding the option to save Your controller settings and then load another if needed, would slove it for all of us.

Those who only want 1 generic setup for all aircraft can do so and us who want seperate settings could do so too.

 

FinnJ

[wtornado]

I understand but you might have to wait a long time for that they are busy doing everything else.

If you ever get it at all.

 

It took two years of community whining just to get them to

to say they will make a co-op mod and no one knows when

that will come.

[fjacobsen]

I understand but you might have to wait a long time for that they are busy doing everything else.

If you ever get it at all.

 

It took two years of community whining just to get them to

to say they will make a co-op mod and no one knows when

that will come.

 

Well It´s a relative small team, so offcourse they mut use  their time wisely.

All in all they have delivered good stuff constantly and progressed well optimising an enhancing IL-2 BOS/BOM at a steady pace - so no complaints from my side at all.

 

But I don´t think it´s very tie consuming or complex to add this feature.

 

Right now controller setup is saved in the files Current.map and Current.actions

The controller setup GUI could have a button called "Save" clicking that would open up a window to save these setups under a user selected name f.ex Calling it FinnJ_2engine would then created the files FinnJ_2engine.map and FinnJ_2engine.actions.

I could then edit mu controller setup for the JU-52 clcik save and save with the name FinnJ_3engine would then create FinnJ_3engine.map and FinnJ_3engine.actions.

Now also adding a "Load" button in the Controller setup GUI I could then click that and select the setup FinnJ_2engine or FinnJ_3engine and that way get an easy way to change controller setups.

 

 

FinnJ

Edited September 3, 2016 by fjacobsen