So I got the FW 190

[Fern]

Uh, no. That yak came initial at 1:17 over the airfield and again at 2:41 and was turning with him after that. If it dove on him I would think the close rate would of been quicker.

 

Oh well were both speculating until Gump post another video.

 

And Turban is obviously biased, so we might as well lock his thread now.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Fern

[CUJO_1970]

My stats always looked good when I was in a plane with good speed and firepower. I'd do well on a dogfight server with the Fw190 as it is now, even if the aircraft would explode every time I stall. Being successful with it doesn't fix the errors in the FM, it just shows that speed and firepower are very far up in the list of the most important combat aircraft parameters.

 

 

 

 

Correct. A concept many here can't quite grasp. 

 

Last tour I flew on DED Normal server I was the top killing FW pilot with one of the highest K/D ratio before I put this sim back on the shelf out of pure unadulterated frustration with the comparative FM in this sim. 

 

This thread will teach us nothing about FW or thread starter that we didn't already know. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Uh, no. That yak came initial at 1:17 over the airfield and again at 2:41 and was turning with him after that. If it dove on him I would think the close rate would of been quicker.

 

Oh well were both speculating until Gump post another video.

 

And Turban is obviously biased, so we might as well lock his thread now.

Do a screen shot and circle it. I've watched it several times now at quarter speed and don't see it. 1:09-1:23. All I see are the Il2's. At 1:17 his head tracking is pointing at the ground btw.

Edited September 8, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Venturi]

I proved it a couple of months against one of fhe same thinking guys (I used the Yak and he had the 190)  

 

 

Interesting conclusions you have there.

Personally I think it proves nothing other than some people have an axe to grind. Whether or not it is true is hard to say, but I would submit other aircraft are equally or more problematic, if just less popular for various reasons...

[Fern]

Do a screen shot and circle it. I've watched it several times now at quarter speed and don't see it. 1:09-1:23. All I see are the Il2's. At 1:17 his head tracking is pointing at the ground btw.

 

 

Sorry, 1:15

 

 

Edited September 8, 2016 by Fern

[StG2_Manfred]

Interesting conclusions you have there.

 

Personally I think it proves nothing other than some people have an axe to grind. Whether or not it is true is hard to say, but I would submit other aircraft are equally or more problematic, if just less popular for various reasons...

This screenshot was made when my Yak ran out of fuel and you shot me while I was landing in the field. You were running 20 min. away with the 190. That was what you were calling flying the 190 correctly. No offensive fight from you, just running away. I have the whole track file, everybody who wants can have it, draw their own conclusions or cut a video from it. Then people can see the true and not just your faking screenshot.

[JtD]

Venturis claim was if one flew the Fw190 right, there was nothing a Yak could do to shoot it down. That is factually true (with any plane that is faster than the other), and on top of it was proven true in your duel.

Likewise, as your claim was that there is very little the Fw190 can do in a close 1vs1 dogfight, your point was also proven true.

 

I don't see how you can end up interpreting the duel the way you are doing, or even get into a fight over it. FFS, you were both right. Can there be a better outcome?

[StG2_Manfred]

I don't get into a fight, I just react to the screenshot, which is complete out of context. If he would be honest, he would comment what was happening and not only show this screenshot without a word about it. Also, before we made this test, he was saying people fly wrong. If the conclusion is, that correct flying the 190 is running away all the time without the ability to become offensive then we have a point. That is what people complaining all the time. The current 190 is a runaway plane, not a fighter.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

 

 

I don't see how you can end up interpreting the duel the way you are doing, or even get into a fight over it. FFS, you were both right. Can there be a better outcome?

 

I don't think you understood Manfred´s point. Without having seen the video I can imagine that in the entire 20 minutes the FW wasn't able to place itself in an advantageous position. Could not climb away, could not gain enough distance to risk a head on maybe etc. All it could do was basically stay in front of the yak. Only as the yak turned around b/c of lack of fuel, the FW strafed it while it landed. This has nothing to do with a close dogfight, the FW didn't have a chance, period.

 

If you are not in a very advantageous energy position from the start, you hardly have any chance to turn the tides in the FW against any VVS plane unless they maybe run out of fuel.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

It's historically accurate that the Yak-1 IS superior (turn, acceleration, climb)

 

That's plain wrong. The 190 had better climb rate in history. Even more so with full power. 

Better acceleration is also very doubtful, the 190 had a (slightly) better power/weight ratio. 

 

In fact the only thing the Yak1 was really better in, was turnrate at low to medium speed. In all other aspects, the 190 was better

Edited September 8, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

 

 

You just CAN'T win a maneuvering duel at co-alt and co-e vs a plane that has those advantages. When will you idiots get it trough your thick head

 

Again, no one talked about this...

 

Maybe you should rethink calling other people idiots at the end of posts, especially after posts of the sort that you just made

[Turban]

Well, I'll disagree on the FW being only a runner.

 

Only time I run is when a russian catches me with my pants down. For example if he has the energy advantage or if I'm already engaged with another one, or if I really screw up my first maneuver.  And then the thing I fear is my pilot getting sniped.

 

I have a lot of fun playing cat and mouse with russians. My biggest problem is that not having track ir sometimes I lose sight and have to break off from our little showdown. But the plane is very capable, has great controls, very smooth and precise. As long as you don't overdo your maneuvers and slow down too much, you can go all day.

 

Even if the FW's FM wasn't 100% accurate , at least it's very coherent and the plane definitely isn't porked.

[JtD]

I don't get into a fight, I just react to the screenshot, which is complete out of context. If he would be honest, he would comment what was happening and not only show this screenshot without a word about it. Also, before we made this test, he was saying people fly wrong. If the conclusion is, that correct flying the 190 is running away all the time without the ability to become offensive then we have a point. That is what people complaining all the time. The current 190 is a runaway plane, not a fighter.

The screenshot was a reaction to you stating that you've proven something to some bigmouth. In fact, you didn't. The thing went exactly as it was announced. I don't think that puts you into a position to complain about that answer.

 

 

 

I don't think you understood Manfred´s point. Without having seen the video I can imagine that in the entire 20 minutes the FW wasn't able to place itself in an advantageous position. Could not climb away, could not gain enough distance to risk a head on maybe etc. All it could do was basically stay in front of the yak. Only as the yak turned around b/c of lack of fuel, the FW strafed it while it landed. This has nothing to do with a close dogfight, the FW didn't have a chance, period.

 

If you are not in a very advantageous energy position from the start, you hardly have any chance to turn the tides in the FW against any VVS plane unless they maybe run out of fuel.

I don't think you understood Venturis point. Without remembering details of the video, I can imagine that in the entire 20 minutes the Yak wasn't able to place itself in an advantageous position. Could not close the gap to the ever get into firing range, unless the Fw was going for a head on. All it could do was basically point the nose towards the Fw, so that in a head on, it could at least fire back. This has nothing to do with being a superior fighter, the Yak didn't have a chance, period.

 

If you are not in a very advantageous energy position from the start, you hardly have any chance to enforce a fight in the Yak against any Luftwaffe plane unless they maybe run out of fuel.

 

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And for the record, even if the Fw190 was modelled as generously as the Yak-1 in some regards is, it would still be difficult to win a dogfight in it. At some altitudes the fight would be fairly level, at some the Fw190 might even have a small edge (for 3 minutes at Notleistung, at least), but at some it would still be suicide to mix it with the Yak. It's just not in the physics for the Fw190 to dominate the Yak in that type of fight.

[150GCT_Veltro]

That's plain wrong. The 190 had better climb rate in history. Even more so with full power. 

Better acceleration is also very doubtful, the 190 had a (slightly) better power/weight ratio. 

 

In fact the only thing the Yak1 was really better in, was turnrate at low to medium speed. In all other aspects, the 190 was better

 

+1

 

......and what about FW dive acceleration, energy retention?

 

I don't know but it does really seem here we are talking about two different WW2 history. In this way, it's also difficult talking about historical references, providing evidences ecc. ecc.

 

May be we should first begin to decide what we are talking about here:

- FW-190A in WW2

- the aircraft called FW-190A in BoS?

 

FW was highly competitve at low-medium altitudes, in horizontal flight or this is only a legend? Just to know......

 

The only Yak-1 advantage was the sustained turning rate, but now we read it was far superior all around to FW-190.

 

Sincerly i don't know anymore what think about. May be, the real truth is that Spitfire Mk.V was a total mess, while FW was just a quite good aircraft, and Yak-1 was really a beast....or better the WW2 beast from the beginning of the war. Who know it at this point....

 

Edit.

The usual link.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a3.html

Edited September 8, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

I understand Venturi´s point. And all you are doing is agreeing with Manfred. The FW is a run away AC only

 

 

If you are not in a very advantageous energy position from the start, you hardly have any chance to enforce a fight in the Yak against any Luftwaffe plane unless they maybe run out of fuel.

 

IMHO you are plain wrong. After 20 minutes it should be possible to place yourself in an advantageous position in a Luftwaffe Fighter

Edited September 8, 2016 by II/JG17_SchwarzeDreizehn

[Turban]

 

Edit.

The usual link.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a3.html

 

 

I know this link I've read it, but it doesn't tell us much in how to fly and how it's supposed to be flown.

 

Numbers not the best way to have an opinion on the plane. And if you were to look at the numbers ingame... They are probably there and correct.

 

You can't just post that link and drop the mic...

[StG2_Manfred]

@JTD: Sorry, but it wasn't as it was announced. Before this test Venturi and others always answered to people about the 190 performance, they would fly her wrong, implying they could fly her competitive. Now the conclusion is to run away all the time, that is something different.

 

And about the idiot post above: Nobody is saying you should TnB against a Yak, but you should be able to fight her in some way with the advantages the 190 had, nothing more.

[150GCT_Veltro]

What should have to be clear here, if i've not misunderstood, is that is too difficult for the FW disengage from a Yak or other. What we see online is the classic siluette to our six that close very quickly the separation, and there is no chance to work in horizontal flight to take advantage on your chaser, and horizontal flight does not mean TnB off course but only change direction quickly, without lose all your energy, and also...may be...with some more accelerated separation.

 

Nobody is saying here we should be able to easy slaughtered all russians fighters just because we fly a FW.

 

May be this is only the IL2 BoS FW, and it's fine if people try a solution to fly it as it's now, but this is not the FW we know it was. Probably we are all wrong, as for RAF.

Edited September 8, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[Turban]

I run away only if I screw things up or if I see the opponent is coming with more energy than me.

Hell I think it's great. When I was flying russian I couldn't run away even if I wanted too...

 

Deep down some people want the 190's behavior to  be closer to a 109 in terms of turn fights. They'd like to be able to engage and stay in a fight no matter what. Which is completely unrealistic.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

 

 

Deep down some people want the 190's behavior to  be closer to a 109 in terms of turn fights

And again you are talking bullshit. After such prolonged participation in discussions about this plane you should really know it better. But some people apparently are just allergic towards learning. Keep this nonsense coming.... 

[Turban]

that is too difficult for the FW disengage from a Yak or other. What we see online is the classic siluette to our six that close very quickly the separation, and there is no chance to work in orizontal flight to take 

 

Not if you manage the fight properly.  If you lose all your speed and screw things up, you're in trouble. But why shouldn't you be?  The FW is not exceptionnal at low speed. The yak is much better!  So just don't go in low speeds and you'll be fine !

And again you are talking bullshit. After such prolonged participation in discussions about this plane you should really know it better. But some people apparently are just allergic towards learning. Keep this nonsense coming.... 

 

... Maybe explain instead of going into personnal attacks ?

 

People complain about the fact that the FW can't always stay in fights and that it's sometimes better to bug out. Most people posting this are more familiar with the 109 which can sustain turn fights for much longer. 

The FW 190 was not known to be able to sustain turn fights at all. Quite the contrary.

 

So it really all points to people taking the 109 as a reference rather than looking at what the 190 was and trying to adapt to it.

[Max_Damage]

That's plain wrong. The 190 had better climb rate in history. Even more so with full power. 

Better acceleration is also very doubtful, the 190 had a (slightly) better power/weight ratio. 

 

In fact the only thing the Yak1 was really better in, was turnrate at low to medium speed. In all other aspects, the 190 was better

But thats plain wrong. if you go in game and check the climbs: yak1 17m/s. fw190 16.something m/s.

 

Then, numerous pilot reports like "fw190 never tried to evade our fighters by climbing". "la5 was better in vertical and should evade fw190 by doing a spiral".

 

"altitude gained per combat turn:

yak9 1100-1200m

yak9d 1000-1100m

fw190a 800m"

 

vertical was really crap on fw190a even against yak1.

 

http://www.airpages.ru/dc/docaf.shtml

 

Наши летчики на самолетах Як-7 дравшиеся с ФВ-190 и неоднократно сбивавшие самолеты этого типа пришли к выводу, что на Як-7 можно вести борьбу с ФВ-190 в любых условиях и легче, чем с самолетом Ме-109Г. За все бои не наблюдалось, чтобы ФВ-190 при равной высоте с нашими истребителями делал попытки уйти вверх Это подтверждает его меньшую скороподъемность по сравнению с нашими истребителями и с Ме-109Г. На пикировании Як-7 догоняет ФВ-190. На правом вираже Як-7 легко заходит в хвост ФВ-190, на левом вираже ведет 6ой на равных условиях. На самолетах Як-1 и Ла-5 вести бой с ФВ-190 еще легче.

 

Our pilots on Yak-7 had fought with the EF-190 and repeatedly shoot down aircraft of this type we have come to the conclusion that the Yak-7 can fight the FW-190 in all conditions and easier than the Me-109G aircraft. For all the fights were not observed to the PV-190 at equal height with our fighters made attempts to leave it up This confirms a lower rate of climb compared to our fighters and the Me-109G. On a dive Yak-7 catching up with the PV-190. On the right bend Yak-7 comes readily to the tail of the PV-190, on the left bend is second on equal terms. At the Yak-1 and La-5 fight with FW-190 even easier.

[edited]

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[150GCT_Veltro]

Not if you manage the fight properly.  If you lose all your speed and screw things up, you're in trouble. But why shouldn't you be?  The FW is not exceptionnal at low speed. The yak is much better!  So just don't go in low speeds and you'll be fine !

 

Yes, but why we should lose all our energy so quickly?

I fly usually at 400 - 450 as minimum speed for FW (40 pitch - 70 yaw; trim - 25%), and the only way to escape is fly straight for the eternity but....we know....you have to hope that Yak-1 pilot could become tired of this and decide to disengage. Usually this does not happen because everibody know that:

- FW separation is really relative;

- one shoot and FW is gone (you lose lift and immediately speed);

- at the first turning, the FW is yours.

 

We should may be talk about the dive accelerated separation that's seem to be missed in BoS, or not enough for a FW.

 

We are talking about a low-medium altitude B&Zoomer or not?

 

We perfectly know we have to improve our skill.

When i'm stay at 450 km/h in a long "accelerated" FW turning, everithing is fine but the damn siluette is always at my six.

Edited September 8, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[JtD]

I understand Venturi´s point. And all you are doing is agreeing with Manfred. The FW is a run away AC only

Well, if you see it like that, I'd recommend you to never try the Me262 if it makes it into the game.

[Max_Damage]

I understand Venturi´s point. And all you are doing is agreeing with Manfred. The FW is a run away AC only

 

 

 

IMHO you are plain wrong. After 20 minutes it should be possible to place yourself in an advantageous position in a Luftwaffe Fighter

ahah "you should be able to be in advantageous position just because you fly a luftwaffe fighter" olololo sums it nicely

[Dr_Molem]

Some posts are priceless.

[303_Kwiatek]

16 m/s was at 1,3 ata 2400 rpm for A3 (without outtern cannons 16,5 m/s) at emergency it would be ab. 18 m/s

 

Comparing to Yak1 69 series:

Climb rate - 15 m/s at nominal power

Maximum speed: 0 - 510 kph 3.8 km - 570 kph.

 

Fw 190 A3 irl was superior over Yak1 69 series in all aspects beside sustained turn time the same story like vs Spitfire MkV ( Spit was faster at medium to high alt better climber better turner and diver that Yak-1 69 series)

Edited September 8, 2016 by 303_Kwiatek

[Turban]

Yes, but why we should lose all our energy so quickly?

 

Yes it's a question that could be asked in some situations. For example in a straight line, you have to be absolutely still or the enemy will catch you, even if the enemy mimics your moves.

Aerodynamics? Right or wrong? I don't know. But you could ask that, I'd understand.

 

Doesn't make the plane porked to the point of claiming the sim is a fraud.

16 m/s was at 1,3 ata 2400 rpm for A3 (without outtern cannons 16,5 m/s) at emergency it would be ab. 18 m/s

 

Comparing to Yak1 69 series:

Climb rate - 15 m/s at nominal power

Maximum speed: 0 - 510 kph 3.8 km - 570 kph.

 

Fw 190 A3 irl was superior over Yak1 69 series in all aspects beside sustained turn time the same story like vs Spitfire MkV ( Spit was faster at medium to high alt better climber better turner and diver that Yak-1 69 series)

 

The Yak1 isn't the biggest threat in the game. Before comes the Lagg (roll and canon that'll take you out from afar even if you're winning overall) and La5 (speed , climb rate and roll)

[ITAF_Cymao]

We know how to use the Focke and we are often killed for our mistakes. (online experience)

But it is also true that they have worsened the Focke update after update, in the last updated n. 2.003 someone without saying nothing has changed something and the Focke has become an embarrassing aircraft...

Is it right? or is it wrong?

I dont know

I know that I dont want a nazi sim and I dont want soviet sim as it is becoming, I would like to have a historical sim but where dont count only the mathematical formulas.

Too many people say there is something wrong and you cannot continue to ignore all.
We cant kill the sim, we can choose to play BoS or not , only developers can kill the sim.

 

With rispect best regards

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

ahah "you should be able to be in advantageous position just because you fly a luftwaffe fighter" olololo sums it nicely

 

Max_Damage, thank you for your helpful input so far.

 

Since you quote me, I will reply for once.

 

Yes after 20 minutes of straight flight in undamaged AC vs a yak, you should be able to put yourself in an advantageous position (and I do consider a head on in the 190 with chance of escape afterwards as advantageous) for at least one attack run in the 190 and usually will be in a sustained E advantage position in the 109 if you make no mistakes.

Edited September 8, 2016 by II/JG17_SchwarzeDreizehn

[Max_Damage]

Max_Damage, thank you for your helpful input so far.

 

Since you quote me, I will reply for once.

 

Yes after 20 minutes of straight flight in undamaged AC vs a yak, you should be able to put yourself in an advantageous position (and I do consider a head on in the 190 with chance of escape afterwards as advantageous) for at least one attack run in the 190 and usually will be in a sustained E advantage position in the 109 if you make no mistakes.

lol yeah advantageous position safe on the airfield where the yak wont get you

[unreasonable]

I am not sure how you can even fly for 20 minutes at top speed in BoS maps unless you start right on one edge, they are only a couple of hundred km per side.

[303_Kwiatek]

Where do you get that 16,5 m/s from?

Was this test done without outer cannon? http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190-a3-climb-speed-26-11-42.jpg

What about the figures in Dev diary 123? it says done with standard mass, so which is it with or without extra cannon?

 

Those are wrong. Again, what kind of evidence do you have to support your claims? Here are the actual figures( from DD123):

Climb rate at sea level: 17 m/s

Climb rate at 3000 m: 15.3 m/s

Climb rate at 6000 m: 8.4 m/s

 

Ground speed at sea level, engine mode - Nominal: 516 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 1500 m, engine mode - Nominal: 549 km/h

Maximum ground speed at 4000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 584 km/h

 

But, the focke is superior in the following aspects in game:

It's faster, it rolls quicker and it has better highspeed maneuverability. It may well climb little better without outer cannon and with emergency power, but not good enough to give it any kind of noticeable advantage.

16,5 m/s are from german data witout cannons for A3

 

Data for Yak1 you posted are from game. Russian test showed 15 m/s for 69 series and 510/570 kph.

 

A3 should dominate Yak1 the same way like Spit MkV.

[LuftManu]

a lot of bullshit and stupid misconceptions.

 

Energy retention? uwat? guess which plane is the best energy wise? b17 because it has x4 powerful engines. Engine power = amount of energy received per unit of time.

 

Fw190 has trash wing loading and trash T:W ratio plus a large air drag and you want it to dive fast and be a dogfighter? 1+1=? it cant dive faster then a bf109 with excellent t:W and much lower drag sorry mate.

According to what exactly reason should fw190 be better in something then any of la5, yak1? it has similar speed at SL, worse climb, worse turning, worse acceleration.

 

600-700 kmh? lel horizontal top speed 550 at 0m.

 

Fw190 is so ez to down compared to a me109 whats so difficult to understand its a brick

 

now, its western front reputation was earned vs spitfire V which are SLOW. Slower then yak1 or la5 by a few dozen kmh.

Yeah of course!

 

URSS Planes the best forever URA! They could have won WW2 in a few days! Damm a LaGG3 could ever take down a fleet of B17 and the P51 alone! Damm!

 

Just kidding, 

IRL the FW only disvantage against a Yak was the Turn ratio at slow and mid speed, in all the other aspects the FW was superior.

 

Sincerely I think you are a [Edited] trying to get all of the FW190 Locked because you didnt know how to lock the tail wheel 

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin
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[Max_Damage]

Yeah of course!

 

URSS Planes the best forever URA! They could have won WW2 in a few days! Damm a LaGG3 could ever take down a fleet of B17 and the P51 alone! Damm!

 

Just kidding, 

IRL the FW only disvantage against a Yak was the Turn ratio at slow and mid speed, in all the other aspects the FW was superior.

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pls comment

 

Our pilots on Yak-7 had fought with the EF-190 and repeatedly shoot down aircraft of this type we have come to the conclusion that the Yak-7 can fight the FW-190 in all conditions and easier than the Me-109G aircraft. For all the fights were not observed to the PV-190 at equal height with our fighters made attempts to leave it up This confirms a lower rate of climb compared to our fighters and the Me-109G. On a dive Yak-7 catching up with the PV-190. On the right bend Yak-7 comes readily to the tail of the PV-190, on the left bend is second on equal terms. At the Yak-1 and La-5 fight with FW-190 even easier.

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin
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[LuftManu]

[edited]

 

pls comment

 

Our pilots on Yak-7 had fought with the EF-190 and repeatedly shoot down aircraft of this type we have come to the conclusion that the Yak-7 can fight the FW-190 in all conditions and easier than the Me-109G aircraft. For all the fights were not observed to the PV-190 at equal height with our fighters made attempts to leave it up This confirms a lower rate of climb compared to our fighters and the Me-109G. On a dive Yak-7 catching up with the PV-190. On the right bend Yak-7 comes readily to the tail of the PV-190, on the left bend is second on equal terms. At the Yak-1 and La-5 fight with FW-190 even easier.

If that comes from pilots memory there is also ton of text from the other side of the coin.

We are looking here at peformance. Every side will tell his tale.

 

[edited]

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[Max_Damage]

If that comes from pilots memory there is also ton of text from the other side of the coin.

We are looking here at peformance. Every side will tell his tale.

 

[Edited]

oh no its not the pilots memory it is the 1943 tactical manual for air combat. [edited]

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin
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[LuftManu]

oh no its not the pilots memory it is the 1943 tactical manual for air combat. denial mode?

OT: Can you post a link so I can also have it?

 

Yes, the soviets though that the FW 190 were easier enemies but they didnt say that they were "preys" the FW 190 in a correct use can be as deadly as a 109 and even more in high speed fights but that thing doesent say that the Fw 190 as inferior to all of these aircraft. First of all, getting inferior specs doesent mean that the plane is worse. as I say, ther Roll ratio/ speed / and instantanious turn like the ascend ratio was superior than the Yak.

[edited]

Edited September 8, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[Dr_Molem]

pls comment

 

Our pilots on Yak-7 had fought with the EF-190 and repeatedly shoot down aircraft of this type we have come to the conclusion that the Yak-7 can fight the FW-190 in all conditions and easier than the Me-109G aircraft. For all the fights were not observed to the PV-190 at equal height with our fighters made attempts to leave it up This confirms a lower rate of climb compared to our fighters and the Me-109G. On a dive Yak-7 catching up with the PV-190. On the right bend Yak-7 comes readily to the tail of the PV-190, on the left bend is second on equal terms. At the Yak-1 and La-5 fight with FW-190 even easier.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21732-whats-your-opinion-new-fw-fm/page-11?do=findComment&comment=353419

 

"Just to correct this statement. Most probably lost in translation to english (it is no bad,but a bit "rough") but this is original:

Пленные летчики с ФВ-190 хорошо знакомы с нашими самолетами и оценивают самолеты Як-1, Як-7 и Ла-5 как очень хорошие.

Which translates to: Captured Fw-190 pilots are very well familiar with our aircrafts and find aircrafts Jak-1,Jak-7 and La-5 to be very good."

 

Edited September 8, 2016 by Dr_Molem

[SYN_Haashashin]

Wow, people seems not to learn a thing. I do not have time for it now, but Im sure we will be re-visiting this topic in hope not to lock it due to all reports sent.

 

Haash