Yak1B Discussion.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I've seen so much Ju52 hype but very little for the Yak1B. So here is the thread. I myself am very excited and got the Yak and not the Ju52. 

[Caudron431]

The thing with the Ju52 is that it will be the first aircraft of this kind to be implemented. This is so awesome because more dimensions of air war during WW2 are put in the game! It so fantastic to have such a plane: perhaps it will lure people from non military flight simulators to the game too, i believe it will.

 

Anyway there's more possibility to find ones place in an air war simulation: figure you don't like flying and fighting fighters, and you suck or are not interested in bombing; now you still have a possibility to have fun with this sim! There's less and less excuses not to like it.

 

Cargo pilots, welcome to the party

 

As for the Yak, obviously i'm excited for we are getting a very capable aircraft with probably one of the best visibility, but most importantly it's so beautiful! Many i guess are not interested in the Yak because it has the reputation of being overmodelled, they look at it like a noob thing. But i don't care about reputation or performance, i have the clear intention to have a lot of fun with all the planes in this sim.

 

In the end i'm excited for everything new coming in this game: WW2 prop aircraft: they make me dream, all of them

Edited August 27, 2016 by Yak9Micha

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've been a Yak fan for ages. I'm super excited to get my hands on the Yak-1B!

[No601_Swallow]

It'll just be the cause of lots of "OMG! It's a really good aeroplane! It's beating the 109 E7/F2/F4/G2 and the FW190! This can't possibly be historical! It's proof of the devs' pinko/lefty/jihadist/anti-American agenda!" posts. In other words, it'll be the same as usual on the forums. But hopefully it'll be really fun to fly in game (although obviously not as much as the '52, which is the queen of aircraft - until we get the Mosquito...)

[Turban]

It's the first "pretty" Yak. And it has a bubble canopy. 1X 50.cal instead of 2X 7.62 is also nice.  What's not to like ?

[Fern]

 

 

It'll just be the cause of lots of "OMG! It's a really good aeroplane! It's beating the 109 E7/F2/F4/G2 and the FW190! This can't possibly be historical! It's proof of the devs' pinko/lefty/jihadist/anti-American agenda!" posts. In other words, it'll be the same as usual on the forums. But hopefully it'll be really fun to fly in game (although obviously not as much as the '52, which is the queen of aircraft - until we get the Mosquito...)

 

 

Lets start now!

 

 

[707shap_Srbin]

I've been a Yak fan for ages. I'm super excited to get my hands on the Yak-1B!

 

For me, Yak-7B is twice better then Yak-1B. Why? Yak-7B have 2 x UBS instead of one in Yak-1B

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

For me, Yak-7B is twice better then Yak-1B. Why? Yak-7B have 2 x UBS instead of one in Yak-1B

Yeah but no bubble. 

[Danziger]

Was there not a late model Yak-7B with bubble canopy?

[BlitzPig_EL]

I am really looking forward to the 1B.

 

Always enjoyed it in '46, and let's face it, it is the ancestor of the Yak 3, it was the ride of many VVS aces as well. What's not to like?   As to the Yak 7, it is also a favorite of mine, and it became the Yak 9.

 

As to the Ju52 bringing in civilian sim players, don't count on it.  

 

A:   They won't be able to talk to the ATC...  OMG what do I do?!!!!

 

B:  They will get shot down...  The Horror!!!!

 

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

B:  They will get shot down...  The Horror!!!!

OH THE HUGE MANATEE!  

Edited August 28, 2016 by =DF=spaceman1999

[ShamrockOneFive]

For me, Yak-7B is twice better then Yak-1B. Why? Yak-7B have 2 x UBS instead of one in Yak-1B

 

If they offered up a Yak-7B I would take it

 

Because it was a bit awkward looking, I didn't get into it initially but I ended up flying a whole IL-2 Forgotten Battles Stalingrad campaign with it later on as I came to understand the Yak lineup. The firepower was always appreciated.

 

Was there not a late model Yak-7B with bubble canopy?

 

Yes, but that is also essentially the same thing as an early model Yak-9. I'm assuming they will be saving up the Yak-9/9D/9T up for a later iteration.

[III/JG2Gustav05]

How is the performance of Yak1B? I googled it , lots resource suggest that max speed 592kph, climb rate 16m/s. besides better Armement and bubble canopy any performance boost compare its predecessor?

[XQ_Lothar29]

Lets start now!

   

[Juri_JS]

Can anybody tell me, when the first Yak-1bs appeared at Stalingrad and how large their number was during the battle?

[Trinkof]

Can anybody tell me, when the first Yak-1bs appeared at Stalingrad and how large their number was during the battle?

All yak production unit converted to yak 1b version in October 42. Meaning after this date, the only yak out of factory were yak 1b.

 

Problem for giving specific numbers is they were most probably mixed with older version in units, And Russian do not often quote the exact version of plane they were flying... Most of the time you will read : yak... Even without a number after. There was much less standardization than in westerner air force, leading to very difficult research on the numbers of a specific version.

 

My fear is a lot of server will limit the amount of yak 1b... More than the number of FW or Mc202.... Or F4 which should be pretty much non existant for any stalingrad winter senario Hope I am wrong...

Edited August 28, 2016 by LAL_Trinkof

[URUAker]

Yak 1b one of my favourite planes in 1946. In that sim it was a perfect dogfight match against 109 F4

[ShamrockOneFive]

How is the performance of Yak1B? I googled it , lots resource suggest that max speed 592kph, climb rate 16m/s. besides better Armement and bubble canopy any performance boost compare its predecessor?

 

It's complicated.

 

Frequently performance comparisons between the Yak-1 and 1B don't give the series number which makes a big difference. The Yak-1 we have, the Series 69, already has the upgraded engine (VK105PF) which gave a big performance boost over the earlier version. The Series 69 also had small refinements in quality and production already implemented so its really quite a good performer in its own right.

 

The Yak-1B we're getting is the Series 127 so its further along in the lineup by a fair bit and I don't know exactly what it will bring to the table.

 

Brano posted some good info before: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/24126-developer-diary-part-129-discussion/?p=374394

 

 

Datas I have posted here are not somewhat accurate but given by NII VVS trials of several serial built Yak-1b of 1943 production. Values are within reasonable tolerance margin reflecting improved built quality of Saratov Zavod nr.292. I dont know which series will devs take as etalon. I do not have access to particular test reports but this is an example from A.T.Stepanec book about Yaks:

 

Yak-1 M-105PF with improved aerodynamics N 46-139 overperfomed Me-109G-2 (standard weapons 2xMG+1 Canon) from ground level to 2000m by 15km/h,up to 3900-4200m by 5km/h.At higher altitudes Yak was losing performance and at 7000m difference of speed was 96km/h.

Despite large difference in max speed at high altitudes,Me-109G-2 did not have any significant advantage over Yak in terms of maneuverability...

 

 Btw Me-109G-2 mentioned in this comparison test was the captured Soviet one. At Kurfirst site it is written that soviet test result matched pretty close with original german tests.

 I will cite from Kurfirst site,if he dont mind: http://kurfurst.org/...rftable_EN.html

 

The given figures for the G-2/R2 is given below as 523 kph at SL, nd 652 kph at 6700m, which are in very close agreement with :

the official Messerschmitt AG. specifications as of May 1942 for the G-1 (537/660 kph)

performance trials performed on a G-1 at E-Stelle Rechlin in 1943 (525/650 kph)

performance trials performed on a Soviet-captured G-2 in early 1943 (527/666kph)

performance trials performed by the Erla factory on 13 serial production Bf 109Gs (652 kph on avarage)

 

I'm expecting the Yak-1B to be the fighter to beat ... But only below 4000 meters. Down low, escorting IL-2s and performing tactical sweeps, it will be deadly and dangerous to engage but above 5000 meters I expect it to suffer in a similar way to the Yak-1.

 

All in all, a great performer, with a potent but short ammo supply, very good aerodynamics and agility, packaged together in a very good overall fighter and one that was used from the very end of 1942 through to 1944 and flown by many Aces. Its a great package but it completely lacks in versatility... it's only a fighter. It can carry bombs but it doesn't have the durability or the payload to really make a difference.

[Trinkof]

It's complicated.

 

Frequently performance comparisons between the Yak-1 and 1B don't give the series number which makes a big difference. The Yak-1 we have, the Series 69, already has the upgraded engine (VK105PF) which gave a big performance boost over the earlier version. The Series 69 also had small refinements in quality and production already implemented so its really quite a good performer in its own right.

 

The Yak-1B we're getting is the Series 127 so its further along in the lineup by a fair bit and I don't know exactly what it will bring to the table.

 

Brano posted some good info before: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/24126-developer-diary-part-129-discussion/?p=374394

 

 

I'm expecting the Yak-1B to be the fighter to beat ... But only below 4000 meters. Down low, escorting IL-2s and performing tactical sweeps, it will be deadly and dangerous to engage but above 5000 meters I expect it to suffer in a similar way to the Yak-1.

 

All in all, a great performer, with a potent but short ammo supply, very good aerodynamics and agility, packaged together in a very good overall fighter and one that was used from the very end of 1942 through to 1944 and flown by many Aces. Its a great package but it completely lacks in versatility... it's only a fighter. It can carry bombs but it doesn't have the durability or the payload to really make a difference.

From the few I know and understood about the 1B, I expet it to be 5-10 km/h faster the the yak we have now, , with a very small increase in turn rate. I read also that the commands and stick were also tweaked for better reponse, but I do not know if we already have them on the s69.

 

After : IF we have an "unlock" to remove the 12.7, like it was done on a few, the plane will be much faster .... for instance 20 of those light yak flew over stalingrad with the 512^th IAP [ http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-1light.html ] and were from german pilot report much better than the G2 .

 

For instance those "light" yaks had a K/D ratio of 6.5/1  

[Trinkof]

Can anybody tell me, when the first Yak-1bs appeared at Stalingrad and how large their number was during the battle?

Found the answer : from Dcember until late january 58 Yak 1b were sent on front line, on Kalinin front and stalingrad front, Almost 700 hours of combat flight, 38 air combat , 25 aircrafts shot down, 6 losses : 

 

http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-1b.html

Edited August 28, 2016 by LAL_Trinkof

[wtornado]

I would buy the 1b if it is a standalone.

 

The YaK-1 is outdated I want this year's

model with a cigar lighter and a mini bar.

 

No room for a stewardess unfortunately.

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'll make room.

[E69_geramos109]

maybe yak1b is faster than 69 series but worse climbing and turning. I think they have improved armor and heavy machineguns so i supose some more wight. 

Tell me if i wrong i dont know exactly weight difference between 69 series and 127

[seafireliv]

I`ll certainly be flying it once I get my mitts on one!

[Jade_Monkey]

Dat visibility though. The italians could take some notes.

[ShamrockOneFive]

maybe yak1b is faster than 69 series but worse climbing and turning. I think they have improved armor and heavy machineguns so i supose some more wight. 

Tell me if i wrong i dont know exactly weight difference between 69 series and 127

 

Likely to be faster climbing, faster turning, and overall better performance. The 127 is a bit later than I had expected. I *think* this version had the refined skin, refined aerodynamics (solved in a wind tunnel test) and some slight weight reductions (not like the custom Yak-1 lightened versions). So I'm expecting this one to be overall better. Not dramatically better but essentially better in every respect.

[Max_Damage]

It is the best yak1 variant. And with a bubble cockpit it is the first one to receive such a feature on the soviet front? La5F with a bubble might be around the corner tho.

Edited August 31, 2016 by Max_Damage

[BlackSix]

It is the best yak1 variant. And with a bubble cockpit it is the first one to receive such a feature on the soviet front? La5F with a bubble might be around the corner tho.

Yak-7b of late series obtained a bubble cockpit approximately at the same time.

[Max_Damage]

Yak-7b of late series obtained a bubble cockpit approximately at the same time.

w_yak-7_1.jpg

give pls

[Danziger]

When do we get Yak-7B? Is it part of the next BoX plane set?

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

 

 

La5F with a bubble might be around the corner tho.

I would appreciate that.  

[BlackSix]

When do we get Yak-7B? Is it part of the next BoX plane set?

I can't answer anything about next plane set, sorry) You've to wait our big announcement.

[Danziger]

I know. But I tried

[BlackSix]

I know. But I tried

[senseispcc]

If I remember the words of Yakovlev the Yak-1 and Yak-7 where developed and constructed in parallel and replaced by the Yak-9 series but the Yak-3 was a new production line and the first all metal Yak fighter.   

[Max_Damage]

 

If I remember the words of Yakovlev the Yak-1 and Yak-7 where developed and constructed in parallel and replaced by the Yak-9 series but the Yak-3 was a new production line and the first all metal Yak fighter.   

 

sadly the soviet fighters were all metal only postwar. The wartime designs even like la7 or yak3 have room for improvement

[Brano]

 

If I remember the words of Yakovlev the Yak-1 and Yak-7 where developed and constructed in parallel and replaced by the Yak-9 series but the Yak-3 was a new production line and the first all metal Yak fighter.

Simply put:

Mother plant Zavod N.262 Saratov

I-26-1 -> Yak-1 -> Yak-3

Mother plant Zavod N.153 Novosibirsk

UTI-26-2 -> Yak-7UTI -> Yak-7A/b -> Yak-9

 

No all-metal Yak-3 were mass produced during war. Only test planes first with all-metal wing and then full metal built after war in 48 exemplars with VK-107 engines. Serial production was cancelled. Priority was given to more perspective and versatile all-metal Yak-9U.

[ShamrockOneFive]

 

If I remember the words of Yakovlev the Yak-1 and Yak-7 where developed and constructed in parallel and replaced by the Yak-9 series but the Yak-3 was a new production line and the first all metal Yak fighter.   

 

 

The Yak-3 was largely the result of the Yak-1M where a number of additional aerodynamic improvements, a relocation of the radiator, and a new wing were fitted to the Yak-1 design. The entire Yak series draws from the I-26/Yak-1 prototype.