Instant Kills

[KoN_]

I feel that some thing is not right flying the LW aircraft there are a lot of instant kills coming my way from VVs. 

 

JU88 .instant kill pilot dead from six .

 

E7 .instant kill snap shot . 100% damage . 

 

109 .instant kill turning in dive snap shot . 

 

110 instant kill ..lost count from six  . 

 

and these are in the past few days . unlucky or what . 

 

This is since last patch . when i say instant this is a few seconds combat  not a twisting turning dogfight were skill is involved this is instant death on one pass . I know this has been brought up latley but am becoming in favour of this instant death from VVs ,   

 

Now i know this will upset a few , but i want too know is it the same from VVs pilots . Last time i post about FM first reply was silly i want too know how th VVS feel because the other day i seen three 109 on one yak and it still carried on flying loop the loops  . and that guy took some good hits . So what is a miss here . Am i paranoid . 

 

i have just been dog fighting with a spitfire were it took me four good passes with good hits to bring him down and he bailed . ??

Edited August 25, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

 La-5 and it's cannon with HE ammo is deadly and many times i was install kill :-)  Good shooting from VVS that's all IMHO.

[Jade_Monkey]

Hate to say it but could the pilot have something to do with this??

[KoN_]

Sorry guys this is happening way too often , fly VVs aircraft and its very rare i get instant killed . But maybe your right good vvs pilots with strong weapons .  

Some of it is just uncanny this is happening in seconds and way too often  , this is however online not single player , and WOL server. its just not the La-5 its the Yak and Lagg also . 

Maybe i am too used too other games and not this . 

Edited August 25, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[Jade_Monkey]

Ironically i just got killed like that right now on WOL.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

I said this the last time you mentioned this instant-death curse falling on the LW guys.  I occasionally suffer the same thing in the IL-2, where the armor protection makes the pilot generally immune to 20mm cannon.  But it can and does happen.  I've also had my armored canopy blown clean off, surprised the hell out of me the first time.

 

You're just going to have to blame something else, sorry.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Silas

[LukeFF]

All of this complaining means nothing without track files to view. 

[150GCT_Veltro]

A lot of istant pilot killed also with FW.

 

Sure we need tracks. This can be done easily flying on the BERLOGA server for ex., more than WoL. However i hope something could be checked by the Team soon, tracks or not.

Edited August 26, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[PeterZvan]

Dont forget about lag / delayed packet transfer.

Often if the attacker has a laggy conection the hits are registered on his side in a normal time frame, than they are transfered slowly to the server and the pilot on the recieving end with a delay and all instantly.

This gives an impression of being insta killed although on the attackers side it was all as usual - might acctually look as if he is shooting for a very long time.

[KoN_]

Dont forget about lag / delayed packet transfer.

Often if the attacker has a laggy conection the hits are registered on his side in a normal time frame, than they are transfered slowly to the server and the pilot on the recieving end with a delay and all instantly.

This gives an impression of being insta killed although on the attackers side it was all as usual - might acctually look as if he is shooting for a very long time.

I see what your saying , so this could be the net code . 

[150GCT_Veltro]

We can sleep with it, this is a great sim however, non doubts about it.

 

We can only suggest, considering we are going to have soon the Yak-1b and probably also the Spitfire, that if somenthing has been balanced (and it would be fine considering this is an entertainment software), may be would be time to recheck or reconsidere it.

 

 

[kendo]

I think this whole 'balancing' idea has taken on a life of its own despite no real evidence to support it and frequent denials from the devs. There is a real 'conspiracy theory' mentality developing here.

 

But the main problem I think is something that surprised me when I first saw it in il-2 46, and that is that a set of people limit themselves almost exclusively to flying one side's aircraft. In '46 I was excited to try out every nationality and to put myself in the position of a German pilot facing overwhelming odds in 1944 or Japanese in 42 or U.S. , Russian...whatever. You could become a student of the history and experience and enjoy it all. That was the big attraction for me as someone with a strong single player focus.

 

But there is a big difference with multiplayer here because when you fly competitively and identify only with one side everything becomes about perceived advantage and disadvantage. It becomes more like supporting a football team and people can lose objectivity pretty quickly.

[Tomsk]

and probably also the Spitfire

 

Hmm that's interesting, have 1CGS / 777 said anything to suggest that? I mean I'd really like a Spitfire, but I'm not aware of any announcement.

 

But there is a big difference with multiplayer here because when you fly competitively and identify only with one side everything becomes about perceived advantage and disadvantage. It becomes more like supporting a football team and people can lose objectivity pretty quickly.

 

That's very true. I think feedback on "balancing" is much better when people start by saying "I like flying both Russian and Germans equally ... and here's my feedback on balance".

 

I also think people overestimate the importance of differences in planes and underestimate differences in pilot skill. I see plenty of very mediocre players complaining that such and such a plane is OP ... and also some amazing pilots who seem to be able to cream everyone in whatever piece of crap they happen to be flying today.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Tomsk

[Jade_Monkey]

I think this whole 'balancing' idea has taken on a life of its own despite no real evidence to support it and frequent denials from the devs. There is a real 'conspiracy theory' mentality developing here.

 

But the main problem I think is something that surprised me when I first saw it in il-2 46, and that is that a set of people limit themselves almost exclusively to flying one side's aircraft. In '46 I was excited to try out every nationality and to put myself in the position of a German pilot facing overwhelming odds in 1944 or Japanese in 42 or U.S. , Russian...whatever. You could become a student of the history and experience and enjoy it all. That was the big attraction for me as someone with a strong single player focus.

 

But there is a big difference with multiplayer here because when you fly competitively and identify only with one side everything becomes about perceived advantage and disadvantage. It becomes more like supporting a football team and people can lose objectivity pretty quickly.

Amen

[ShamrockOneFive]

I think this whole 'balancing' idea has taken on a life of its own despite no real evidence to support it and frequent denials from the devs. There is a real 'conspiracy theory' mentality developing here.

 

But the main problem I think is something that surprised me when I first saw it in il-2 46, and that is that a set of people limit themselves almost exclusively to flying one side's aircraft. In '46 I was excited to try out every nationality and to put myself in the position of a German pilot facing overwhelming odds in 1944 or Japanese in 42 or U.S. , Russian...whatever. You could become a student of the history and experience and enjoy it all. That was the big attraction for me as someone with a strong single player focus.

 

But there is a big difference with multiplayer here because when you fly competitively and identify only with one side everything becomes about perceived advantage and disadvantage. It becomes more like supporting a football team and people can lose objectivity pretty quickly.

 

Exactly!

 

The conspiracy/balancing/whatever stuff tends to come from the folks who only fly one side. It's here, it was in IL-2 1946, it's in War Thunder, and I'm sure they have it over in DCS land too.

[ACG_daffy_]

I think this whole 'balancing' idea has taken on a life of its own despite no real evidence to support it and frequent denials from the devs. There is a real 'conspiracy theory' mentality developing here.

 

 

 

RIGHT!!??  Thank you!  lol

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I never get insta-killed except when I'm lazy and take on a H2H pass. Ever.

 

I'm a dedicated Luftie with most of my time in a 190.

Edited August 27, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[150GCT_Veltro]

I never get insta-killed except when I'm lazy and take on a H2H pass. Ever.

 

I'm a dedicated Luftie with most of my time in a 190.

 

Sure, we don't have to take shoot but personally i'm testing the FW on BERLOGA and the pilot killed % is really very high on the FW.

 

Seriously, was the FW armour so poor?

 

Berloga, one of the istant kill.

[Lusekofte]

I sit with a general feeling that deflection shooting is off a bit. In this game I feel sitting in a IL 2 no matter if I got 23 mm or not , I do not have to be too picky on my aiming when I fire at a 109 passing me after a zoom attack. Not always of course . It can be lag or other stuff involved.

IL 2 got a much more realistic way to take damage after latest patch , now the pilot is correctly protected, before you got instant dead quite often if you had the canopy open. I think the weapons of all planes are simulated more powerful than in others, if this is correct or not it is impossible to say, in cod it is pretty weak, but due to a more complex dm, you can down a 111 with half the ammo, but usually need two full fighters to do so

[9./JG27golani79]

A lot of strange things are happening on Berloga - I think most of them may be connected to latency problems.

[GridiroN]

People also need to keep in mind, as I've recently realized, that WoL is in Russia, and a lot of players are connecting from America, Britain, Canada, etc. I put at least 5 rounds in an LA5 the other day point blank and none of them registered, so internet lag is a real factor. 

 

That's why we really need a WoL type server in the west. 

[wtornado]

People also need to keep in mind, as I've recently realized, that WoL is in Russia, and a lot of players are connecting from America, Britain, Canada, etc. I put at least 5 rounds in an LA5 the other day point blank and none of them registered, so internet lag is a real factor. 

 

That's why we really need a WoL type server in the west. 

That is the main reason i do not fly on WoL anymore too much packet loss.You can't always see the enemy planes either and if their pings are bad

and you are halfway around the world it will screw your match up..

 

The last time i went on WoL I mentioned it  that I could not see the enemy fighters or see their shots hitting me

I said it was due to ping and packet loss and JG/77_Con was there I think he was discussing what I was saying

 I do not know if he took me seriously but with 40+ players and 2/3's of them Russian it really affects the game at

that time of day.

 

I have a fiberoptic 30+MB/sec line with a 10+MB/sec upload speed in Canada here.

 

You must keep in mind too that if the internet connection is 5 to 10MB/sec for the

avg Russian player that is a distant server game changer.

 

The game play must be much better from Europe with a good connection too.

 

Nothing the devs can do about that..

Edited August 28, 2016 by WTornado

[9./JG27golani79]

The game play must be much better from Europe with a good connection too.

Getting a ping of around ~50 to WoL server with a 30Mbit

 

Not sure though where the Berloga server is located or what it´s uplink speed is as I´ve a ping of ~150 on it.

[150GCT_Veltro]

 

Lol. What did you expect? There's a fighter right on your six at shooting distance and you just continue flying straight and level. Humans didn't exactly evolve to survive a cannon hit to the head. There's a topic on fw190 armor you might wanna check out. One quote from the topic which pretty much answers your question:

 

LukeFF, on 11 Nov 2015 - 20:54, said:

And reality shows 20 mm cannon fire would rip fighter planes apart. A couple millimeters of armor is like tissue paper to such a cartridge. 

 

Of course you are going to get pk'd especially on a df server like berloga. Everyone just dives into the furball and becomes target fixated. I've seen you do the same with the fw190. Thats why I've personally pk'd you many times.

Btw, why would you try to dogfight yaks and i16s low on the deck in a FW190 and expect not to get killed in the process?

 

 

 

 

Exactly, so you can test the "pilot killed" on different aircrafts........

FW has a lot of "pilot killed", like a sort of "default DM".

Lag online can not be related only to the FW.

Edited August 29, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[LTcommander]

Nobody needs another Wingthunder of Liberty server that luckily collected all the MP players !!!! 

 

the Tactical Air War server will be back inbetween days, maybe even hours!!!

[El_Babuino]

Another LW whining topic. Its not fun already. Veltro and Con maybe you need to play Singleplayer with "godmod on" only?

[El_Babuino]

Before last patch armor of FW190 was...just look:

I think armor of BF109 is still there.

 

And 

Its look like LW pilots have twice lifebar, isnt it?

 

So, stop whining about poor LW. LW is easymod in this game

Edited August 29, 2016 by ROSS_El_Babuino

[150GCT_Veltro]

Not a complain but only a FW verification, like this one. It could be ok, nobody is saying is not.

 

 

Who care about Panzer, we don't fly it. We need to test fighters weapons/DM, where it seems we have some problems-complains, armour, wood, duraluminium ecc. ecc..

 

May be we need more VVS complains about how FW is uber in this sim.

 

I'm joking, peace and love.

Edited August 29, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[Irgendjemand]

So, stop whining about poor LW. LW is easymod in this game

Well, in german planes you have to actually watch what you do. In VVS you just have to floor the throttle and pull your stick into your stomach or push it into the amatures without any stall. How is that easymode for germans?

And dont start braggin about 109 outturning a YAK. Thats simply not true. Just try it. Sustained turn in 109 any against any russian one. Russians will always outturn the 109. Even the supposedly oh so bad performing MIG3 can outturn a 109 with her magical antigrav flaps.

Yesterday i was turning against a LA5 on Berloga. He had his flaps out for the whole time and there was NO SIGN of him getting slower in any way. Flaps are magic stabilitygenerators on russian aircraft.

 

Both sides have serious issues with FMs. Correcting realtive performance for all planes on all heights and revealing the sources my FMs are based on would be step one if I had the sayin.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[Irgendjemand]

Nothing could be further from the truth. In 109 you can just abuse the stick to the d!ck maneuver without any consequences. You can pull unlimited AoA without stalling thanks to the magic slats which make the aircraft super stable. Hell, you can even pull cobra and kulbit maneuvers because of the porked slats.  By mapping stabilizer on the pitch axis you can pull insanely tight turns and outturn everything even the i16 lol. After pulling those ridiculous turns you'd expect the plane to lose some energy. LOLNOPE it can still pull its nose straiht up vertical and prop hang for quite a bit thanks to its magic energy retention. Yak1 flaps abuse was nothing compared to this lol. Btw yak1 flaps were fixed long time ago, f4 can now easily outturn yak tested many tiems on berloga. 

 

 

 

LMAO you have to be terrible to lose a turning fight to La5 or MIG3 in a 109     those are the 2 worst turning soviet fighters.

 

Heres the list of the best turning aircraft in order:

E7, F4, I16, G2, Yak1, Lagg3, la5, mig3

That list of yours is riddiculous.

Whatever:P

[Aap]

That list of yours is riddiculous.

Whatever:P

 

I think that this Spitfire_VIII is just deliberately trolling here. Reminds me a guy called "Max_Damage" that was trolling here a couple of weeks ago. 

[Irgendjemand]

I think that this Spitfire_VIII is just deliberately trolling here. Reminds me a guy called "Max_Damage" that was trolling here a couple of weeks ago. 

Think so as well. My ignorelist just went up one:)

Edited August 29, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[9./JG27golani79]

By mapping stabilizer on the pitch axis you can pull insanely tight turns and outturn everything even the i16 lol

Seems like you are really obsessed with this one - but as I already mentioned in another topic there would be an easy fix for it.

I´m sure though that not too many would bother about this being fixed cause as today I know no one who is using this ..

[Irgendjemand]

Seems like you are really obsessed with this one - but as I already mentioned in another topic there would be an easy fix for it.

I´m sure though that not too many would bother about this being fixed cause as today I know no one who is using this ..

People dont use it because it requires you to permanently push the stick forward during levelflight.

Edited August 29, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[Jade_Monkey]

Im no great pilot but at least im aware of it and dont blame the game. More looking at how you use your planes and less whining, especially if you are going to use a 190 is a clusterfuck in Berloga(?).

[Irgendjemand]

Im no great pilot but at least im aware of it and dont blame the game. More looking at how you use your planes and less whining, especially if you are going to use a 190 is a clusterfuck in Berloga(?).

you wont survive long in a 190 on berloga. I try it every now and then.

Before the last patch its was great to use. Now. Nah, rather not.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

People dont use it because it requires you to permanently push the stick forward during levelflight.

I use it and I have no problems turning with Yaks. MiGs and La-5 have no chance. Ishak and Yak can put up a fight if flown by experienced pilot.

 

With this little trick 109 is faster,climbs better and can outturn most VVS planes (depending on pilot).

 

It really is easier to fly LW.

 

I flew VVS almost exclusively since early access days.

 

When we want to relax and rack up kills we go flying 109.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

A lot of strange things are happening on Berloga - I think most of them may be connected to latency problems.

 

That may be true.

 

For what it's worth : I've only managed to fly a few hours mostly on berloga since last patch and I can say that indeed pilot kills happens a lot more since.

Flying the stuka (yes, on berloga  ), it used to be able to soak up quite a few bullets before going down, now I get my wings burning or ripped off half of the time, often at the first burst, and the other half is pilot sniped, even from dead six. My gunner however never seems to take damage anymore.

 

Flying the Fw, pilot snipe happens sometimes, but also it seems to explode completely mid-air very easily. Something I almost never experienced before.

 

I don't know if it is server related or if something was changed in the DM modelling but it can't hurt to double check it.

[XQ_Lothar29]

Not a complain but only a FW verification, like this one. It could be ok, nobody is saying is not.

 

 

Who care about Panzer, we don't fly it. We need to test fighters weapons/DM, where it seems we have some problems-complains, armour, wood, duraluminium ecc. ecc..

 

May be we need more VVS complains about how FW is uber in this sim.

 

I'm joking, peace and love.

does too, I see some pilots kill me with a single impact, impossible distances and with an incredible angle of climb.

 

yesterday I happened for the third time, this week

 

I am preparing video to show that something strange is happening, each draw their own conclusions.

 

Salute All. See you in WoL

Edited August 29, 2016 by =3./JG3=Lothar29

[F/JG300_Gruber]

I logged a few more hours dogfighting yesterday and a few fights at lunchtime, and have nothing special to report 

 

No more dubious pilot instakill, constantly exploding planes or nuclear 7.62mm rounds

 

So it looks to me that this is definitely a server/connection related problem and doesn't have anything to do with DM.