Ju 52. What will we do with this plane?

[Trooper117]

''TURN THAT BLOODY LIGHT OUT!''

[Cybermat47]

''TURN THAT BLOODY LIGHT OUT!''

"DON'T YOU YELL AT ME, MR. WARRICK!"

[J2_Trupobaw]

I think the worst we can expect is repeat of Sikorsky "Ilya Muromiec" S-22 in RoF. Big iconic plane, check. Lovely to fly, bought and praised by people who just want to fly the thing, check. Slow, undergunned and vunerable for it's size, check. Limited SP presence because it can't be fitted in existing career - remains to be seen. Mission makers still don't know what to do with it - remains to be seen. Players insist to fly it anyway, instead of more practical planes that get job done, because it's so different experience - remains to be seen. Despite not being practical is something of icon and RoFs mascot, simply by being there and screaming "this sim is ambitious product" to knowledgable aviation enthusiasts looking at it - remains to be seen.

Edited September 1, 2016 by Trupobaw

[PatrickAWlson]

I think the worst we can expect is repeat of Sikorsky "Ilya Muromiec" S-22 in RoF. Big iconic plane, check. Lovely to fly, bought and praised by people who just want to fly the thing, check. Slow, undergunned and vunerable for it's size, check. Limited SP presence because it can't be fitted in existing career - remains to be seen. Mission makers still don't know what to do with it - remains to be seen. Players insist to fly it anyway, instead of more practical planes that get job done, because it's so different experience - remains to be seen. Despite not being practical is something of icon and RoFs mascot, simply by being there and screaming "this sim is ambitious product" to knowledgable aviation enthusiasts looking at it - remains to be seen.

 

The S22 is in PWCG .  You can fly daylight bombing missions on the eastern front to your hearts content.

 

Back on topic, I think the Ju52 can be fun in a PWCG style campaign as a starter plane.  I make no secret that I am a RP enthusiast, and my campaigns are built with that in mind.  I can RP the Ju52 by starting my career in it and flying for a bit before transferring to a different unit (that does stuff that is more fun ).  i do the same in PWCG for RoF.  I start my career in two seaters and then transfer after I score at least one victory, demonstrating my value as a fighter pilot.  

 

I could also RP an odd Ju52 mission as an emergency evacuation or something like that.   A small dose to me would be an enjoyable change of pace, and as such it could add value.

Edited September 1, 2016 by PatrickAWlson

[No601_Swallow]

Will our Ju52 have the Peilgerät and/or the AFN2 direction finding instruments? Those, together with the ability in the mission editor to set different "frequencies" for the NDBs would make for - to my warped and twisted mind - fun and immersive bad-weather flying.

[kestrel79]

I'll be flying this plane a lot online, sounds like fun trying to avoid detection and sneak in to deliver the goods.

[Neil]

The scrore on a ju52 sould be based on how much tons you haul

10 tons: good pilot

20 tons: Chief Pilot

30 tons: Master Pilot!

[Haza]

I think the worst we can expect is repeat of Sikorsky "Ilya Muromiec" S-22 in RoF. Big iconic plane, check. Lovely to fly, bought and praised by people who just want to fly the thing, check. Slow, undergunned and vunerable for it's size, check. Limited SP presence because it can't be fitted in existing career - remains to be seen. Mission makers still don't know what to do with it - remains to be seen. Players insist to fly it anyway, instead of more practical planes that get job done, because it's so different experience - remains to be seen. Despite not being practical is something of icon and RoFs mascot, simply by being there and screaming "this sim is ambitious product" to knowledgable aviation enthusiasts looking at it - remains to be seen.

Trupobaw,

 

Ironic, that in real life, pilots actually flew this into battle.  

This sim is not just about what is the best and what gets the kills, it is for a lot a historical salute at those who fought and died on whatever side!  

 

When you look at the loses that RAF Bomber Command had during the War and going with your view point, are you saying that you would never want to fly a Lancaster or Stirling?  Check!  Are you entitled to your views?  Check.  Are you actually positively contributing to this topic? Remains to be seen!

I for one have bought this aircraft in advance to not only have a go, but to support this community! Check!  Have you bought this aircraft in advance to support the wider community? Remains to be seen! 

 

Regards

 

Haza

[Dutch2]

I think the worst we can expect is repeat of Sikorsky "Ilya Muromiec" S-22 in RoF. Big iconic plane, check. Lovely to fly, bought and praised by people who just want to fly the thing, check. Slow, undergunned and vunerable for it's size, check. Limited SP presence because it can't be fitted in existing career - remains to be seen. Mission makers still don't know what to do with it - remains to be seen. Players insist to fly it anyway, instead of more practical planes that get job done, because it's so different experience - remains to be seen. Despite not being practical is something of icon and RoFs mascot, simply by being there and screaming "this sim is ambitious product" to knowledgable aviation enthusiasts looking at it - remains to be seen.

 

 

Lots of players that insist to have that S22 plane, but eventually not much have eventually did buy this plane. oeps here goes another wrong spent investment flushed away.

 

The Ju52 could be intresting, only if this plane does have tasks that are different then what we normally get when flying bombers or fighters. If 1c thinking in just releasing this plane and thats it, I think it will be another Ilya Muromets and fading to low sales. Lots of activity samples are give away for free here, think if 1c would use them, the sales would reach to a fighter level.

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

One thing about the useless prey theory is wrong,yes the JU52 is slow but that can be used as an advantage,as you can turn inside of the diving fighters and if you have a skilled gunner you might live.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Remember guys, they did mention they want to add paratroopers and droppable supplies by chutes. Wait and see til next week when they announce the next theater. Maybe, just maybe we will have use of it their with some new features  

 

I think the most important thing they need to add with the Ju-52 when it releases, is cargo loadouts. It doesnt need to do anything but just add weight and then mission makers can lock the cargo loadouts so there is a challenge with just flying. Otherwise we will just see empty weighted Ju-52s flying around  

[J2_Trupobaw]

Trupobaw,

 

Ironic, that in real life, pilots actually flew this into battle.  

This sim is not just about what is the best and what gets the kills, it is for a lot a historical salute at those who fought and died on whatever side!  

 

When you look at the loses that RAF Bomber Command had during the War and going with your view point, are you saying that you would never want to fly a Lancaster or Stirling?  Check!  Are you entitled to your views?  Check.  Are you actually positively contributing to this topic? Remains to be seen!

I for one have bought this aircraft in advance to not only have a go, but to support this community! Check!  Have you bought this aircraft in advance to support the wider community? Remains to be seen! 

 

Regards

 

Haza

 

Hey, all I'm saying is that the plane has few obvious practical applications in RoF, and people still buy it and fly it for sake of flying it - and giving example of worst case scenario for Ju-52. I have pre-ordered both Ju-52 and S-22, and fly the latter... ocasionally.

[beepee]

I will fly it..that's what I'll do.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Just drop flaps and keep a zig zag patern on stall speed and altitude zero. The enemy fighters won't be able to concentrate fire.

 

If you got escort, the interceptors will be on big trouble.

 

The only real threat is the OP-40. But Russian Hartmanns don't fly her

Edited September 5, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Just drop flaps and keep a zig zag patern on stall speed and altitude zero. The enemy fighters won't be able to concentrate fire.

 

If you got escort, the interceptors will be on big trouble.

Shhht, let them think we're easy targets so we can take them by suprise with our STOL capebilities

 

Escort won't happen because "too cool to fly slow".

[FTC_Etherlight]

When you look at the loses that RAF Bomber Command had during the War and going with your view point, are you saying that you would never want to fly a Lancaster or Stirling?  Check!  Are you entitled to your views?  Check.  Are you actually positively contributing to this topic? Remains to be seen!

I for one have bought this aircraft in advance to not only have a go, but to support this community! Check!  Have you bought this aircraft in advance to support the wider community? Remains to be seen! 

 

Regards

 

Haza

 

Holy strawman, Batman. Here we go again:

No, I would most definitely fly British bombers, like I do in Cliffs of Dover. Why? Because flying them provides an engaging and meaningful gameplay experience for me. I plan my route, I fiddle around with the aiming device, sometimes I even divebomb, and then I destroy a relevant target and maybe even engage in combat with fighters by hopping into the gunner seat, which is also very exciting and engaging in terms of gameplay. It is a very valid concern some people (including me) have in terms of actual gameplay in the Ju-52. Right now we do not know what kind of experience we will actually have in that plane. Fact is that flying very slow and probably very low for prolonged periods of time just to land or to click a button so a few paratroopers jump out, is not very engaging to a lot of people who bought this as a combat flight simulation. Ask people how much they like flying supply on DED Expert, the majority of people I fly with despise it. Considering that we do not have clickable cockpits or any kind of full fidelity sim on our hands here, the act of flying, navigating and landing is not very interactive, most of the actual experience arises from the combat or at least interaction with other planes in this game. And as it seems until now, the only kind of interaction we will have in this plane is "Oh bugger, that guy will kill me now" or "Phew, that guy will not kill me, cause he's friendly." I'm not saying that is necessarily bad, some people will like that experience, but it's no reason one should not voice these concerns in the community, so everybody can make an informed decision.

 

"Have you bought this aircraft in advance to support the wider community?" Really? We're going the way of the TV preacher now? Are you trying to guilt-trip people out of their money? Are you a better person, because you preordered something on a hunch now? No need to answer, those questions are rhetorical in nature.

 

Let people discuss the usefulness and personal potential of the plane in peace, please. That's what this thread is about. I for one will simply wait and see how the Ju-52 is implemented into the servers and missions, if at all. If there's fun to be had, I'll certainly buy it. Making an informed decision and stuff.

Edited September 5, 2016 by JG4_Etherlight

[LukeFF]

 

 

The only real threat is the OP-40.

 

  

[Rjel]

It's hard to imagine a heavily loaded Ju52 that is already too slow being maneuverable enough to turn inside any attacking fighters. If their cargo is accurately represented then how agile can they be? I think the best the crew of one can hope for is to be in a formation down low so that an attacker can't climb up from below them where they are defenseless. They represent a large target for any diving fighter plane from above. Flying one and surviving will be a challenge. Looking forward to it.  

[Trooper117]

We will have to rely on a good fighter escort that's for sure... if the fighter boys want action they will have lots of it. Let's face it, every fighter from the enemy are going to be hunting for old 'Auntie'...

[Neil]

So the answer of this topic is simply:

Survive!

[7.GShAP/Silas]

We will have to rely on a good fighter escort that's for sure... if the fighter boys want action they will have lots of it. Let's face it, every fighter from the enemy are going to be hunting for old 'Auntie'...

 

 

Hartmanns are too proud to throw themselves into the fire for the sake of the mission like they're supposed to.  We'll see how many fighter-types step up once the aircraft are released.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Silas

[JG5_Schuck]

Well,

As a lot of people have stated, load out is key.

Hopefully it will be fuel and ammunition, for limited air drops, or more substantial landing/resupply in order to keep forward airbases operating.

And if this could be coupled to refueling/rearming for planes i can see this being a very useful feature in CooP style servers.

Where running out of either could ground aircraft, making resupplying absolutely essential!

We just need the Li2 to complement it......

[=AD=uumembwa]

Ju 52/3mg4e was a military version with possibility to install 6 ESAC 250/IX bomb cells up to 1500kg bombs. Maybe developers add this unlock?

 

 

 

 

[Haza]

Holy strawman, Batman. Here we go again:

No, I would most definitely fly British bombers, like I do in Cliffs of Dover. Why? Because flying them provides an engaging and meaningful gameplay experience for me. I plan my route, I fiddle around with the aiming device, sometimes I even divebomb, and then I destroy a relevant target and maybe even engage in combat with fighters by hopping into the gunner seat, which is also very exciting and engaging in terms of gameplay. It is a very valid concern some people (including me) have in terms of actual gameplay in the Ju-52. Right now we do not know what kind of experience we will actually have in that plane. Fact is that flying very slow and probably very low for prolonged periods of time just to land or to click a button so a few paratroopers jump out, is not very engaging to a lot of people who bought this as a combat flight simulation. Ask people how much they like flying supply on DED Expert, the majority of people I fly with despise it. Considering that we do not have clickable cockpits or any kind of full fidelity sim on our hands here, the act of flying, navigating and landing is not very interactive, most of the actual experience arises from the combat or at least interaction with other planes in this game. And as it seems until now, the only kind of interaction we will have in this plane is "Oh bugger, that guy will kill me now" or "Phew, that guy will not kill me, cause he's friendly." I'm not saying that is necessarily bad, some people will like that experience, but it's no reason one should not voice these concerns in the community, so everybody can make an informed decision.

 

"Have you bought this aircraft in advance to support the wider community?" Really? We're going the way of the TV preacher now? Are you trying to guilt-trip people out of their money? Are you a better person, because you preordered something on a hunch now? No need to answer, those questions are rhetorical in nature.

 

Let people discuss the usefulness and personal potential of the plane in peace, please. That's what this thread is about. I for one will simply wait and see how the Ju-52 is implemented into the servers and missions, if at all. If there's fun to be had, I'll certainly buy it. Making an informed decision and stuff.

 

Thank you for sharing your little story, it made me feel warm all over.  In addition, it has been years since I have seen anybody use "Holy Batman" so that made my smile as well, as I didn't realise such people were still alive.

 

 

Although, perhaps, I'm not a better person and wouldn't want to guilt trip anybody into a purchase, I bought both aircraft on offer as I have faith in the developers.  The amount of $35 for me is not a lot (neither would the full price) and although I would not normally buy on a hunch, $35 for 2 aircraft when the developers thus far appear to have stepped up to the mark, is not something I would have to dwell on weighing up all the pros and cons.  I'm sure if the aircraft were being given away we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

 

 

The topic for discussion was "JU52 What will we do with this plane" and as ever, the negativity of some posts within this section with regards to what has happened before etc started to become rather tiresome.  My original post was perhaps too subtle for some, but we are all entitled to our views and it is interesting to note that the recipient actually has pre-ordered, which was nice!

 

 

As a one off gesture, I would gift you the JU-52 during this pre-order period, however, I'm sure a man with your ethics would reject my offer and would sooner "wait and see how the Ju-52 is implemented into the servers and missions, if at all. If there's fun to be had"  and then make "an informed decision and stuff".   However, I will gift that JU52 to Chubby Bunting.

 

 

 

Perhaps you might have a better hunch than me by waiting, but at the end of the day, I bought in advance at a small price to show my support and faith in the developers.  I look forward to the JU52 as a historical addition to the BOS campaign and would expect that the JU52 be utilised as it was during that period and I'm sure that the map makers out there will use their magic to make things happen.  Hopefully, we might get a few JU52 aircraft in formation with you and your JG4 party as fighter cover, as that would truly be a real air campaign scenario and one that is certainly missing!!

 

Regards

 

 

 

Update:

 

Yak 1B   Gifted to Chubby Bunting

JU-52 and Yak1B  Gifted to B0SS 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Haza