Trooper117 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Or the Fw 189 (actually, I mentioned that to Han awhile back and he said possibly in the future)
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Personally I think they will go West next. Unanswerable case commercially. 1
Neil Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 i don't care about the theater as long as it has a four-engine bomber I wish we have one of those... but I guess it is too much work for dev team. Look at how much time they took to model the ju88 or the he111 When I fly the he111 I am always thinking "gosh! how much work they put into this, it is amazing!" yet, I wish more people would fly bomber (hence my post about simplify gunners handling) A solution would be to not model some gunner stations... I do not know...
Asgar Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 He 177 just saying 4 engine bomber for the price of a two engine bomber
BlitzPig_EL Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Asgar, a four engine bomber is a four engine bomber, no matter the location of the engines in the nacells, and I'm guessing that some new physics calculations would needed for the effect of the lead propwash affecting the rear prop, and properly modeling the odd overheating issues attendant with the 177's layout. But since we are getting a three engined aircraft anyway, I'd say it's time for the SM 79, with torps, and a big blue Med to fly it over...
Asgar Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 what rear prop? the 177 is a twin prop four engine bomber. two engines for each prop shaft. in the game engine they could probably be modeled as two engines with more power
Trooper117 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Maybe he's thinking you mean the Dornier 335?
BlitzPig_EL Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Oh darn. I forgot that. Wasn't there one of the German bombers that had the tractor/pusher layout? sheesh... I need to read up on my Luftwaffe bombers more.
Trooper117 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 lol... I enjoyed flying the 335 in the old IL2
Trooper117 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Martlets, Seafires, HMS Formidable... Nice!
CIA_Yankee_ Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 I really, REALLY like this picture. It's a very, very nice picture. It's a very, very nice picture. Of course, if we think things are bad with Yaks vs 109s, imagine how terrible Wildcats vs Zekes is gonna be . We better practice our Tach Weave real quick.
Trooper117 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Energy fighting... you can't turn fight a damn Zero in a Wildcat/Martlet lol!
CIA_Yankee_ Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Energy fighting... you can't turn fight a damn Zero in a Wildcat/Martlet lol! Aah, but can the Wildcat energy fight a zero? Something tells me pacific in wildcats will be like taking LaGGs against 109s... and to be clear, I don't mind that at all. Realism trumps fairness any day of the week. We'll just have to learn proper team tactics, and trust on our superior armament and durability (hence the Tach Weave, of course *grin*). Edited September 7, 2016 by Yankee_ 1
Gambit21 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 It's a very, very nice picture. Of course, if we think things are bad with Yaks vs 109s, imagine how terrible Wildcats vs Zekes is gonna be . We better practice our Tach Weave real quick. As much as I love the Zeke, I used to love flying the Wildcat against it as well since it's more of a 'smart flying' challenge. You make a high speed pass through the formation just like in real life, and either run for home or extend away from the fight, climb and come back later with altitude once again. Zeke/Wildcat is the best/most interesting plane vs plane combination possible IMHO. Love the early war Eastern Front stuff though, and planning on spending lots of time in the 109E, MiG and Rata still regardless of what other theaters come our way. Hard to go wrong with early war plane sets. Aah, but can the Wildcat energy fight a zero? Something tells me pacific in wildcats will be like taking LaGGs against 109s... and to be clear, I don't mind that at all. Realism trumps fairness any day of the week. We'll just have to learn proper team tactics, and trust on our superior armament and durability (hence the Tach Weave, of course *grin*). Wildcat should have a greater advantage in the dive department than 109 vs LaGG, and the Zeke and even greater advantage in turn radius, and much more vulnerable to damage. The LaGG can utilize much more energy relative to the 109 than the Zeke can. The fight should look quite a bit different actually.
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Both are great machines with character, each has some flaws that can be exploited in combat. Also, I dont think it would be worse than LaGG-3 vs 109 F-4, A6M2 has indeed better turn and climb performance but it cant follow Wildcat in prolonged dives. And it cant follow it in rolls at higher speeds. And Wildcat has far greater ammo load. It would be a great base for any early to mid war Pacific expansion. Edited September 7, 2016 by =LD=Hiromachi
Rjel Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 I've never understood the want of the He177 by simmers. It truly wasn't successful in it role as a heavy bomber. As EL said, if they modeled the deficiencies of its engines, few would want it. Maybe it could be a "crap plane" somewhere down the road. So many other more interesting A/C to be modeled. Honestly, I'd bet more people would fly the Ju52 even with all its shortcomings rather than a mediocre bomber.
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 I've never understood the want of the He177 by simmers. It truly wasn't successful in it role as a heavy bomber. As EL said, if they modeled the deficiencies of its engines, few would want it. Maybe it could be a "crap plane" somewhere down the road. So many other more interesting A/C to be modeled. Honestly, I'd bet more people would fly the Ju52 even with all its shortcomings rather than a mediocre bomber. I'd see informed simmers wanting the Fw200 before anything. It was quite successful in it's role over the Atlantic.
Asgar Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 I've never understood the want of the He177 by simmers. It truly wasn't successful in it role as a heavy bomber. As EL said, if they modeled the deficiencies of its engines, few would want it. Maybe it could be a "crap plane" somewhere down the road. So many other more interesting A/C to be modeled. Honestly, I'd bet more people would fly the Ju52 even with all its shortcomings rather than a mediocre bomber. maybe you should read that book all the way to the end. The engine problems were fixed and it performed quite will in the second blitz. plus 7 tons of bombs.
No601_Swallow Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 maybe you should read that book all the way to the end. The engine problems were fixed and it performed quite will in the second blitz. plus 7 tons of bombs. Yeah, but this is borderline '46. If you're getting an engine-glitch-free He177 then I want my Lerche!
Rjel Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 maybe you should read that book all the way to the end. The engine problems were fixed and it performed quite will in the second blitz. plus 7 tons of bombs. Did it significantly add to the German war effort? Was it as effective in its role as say the Allied heavy bombers were? Too little too late with resources devoted to it that could have been expended elsewhere with a higher percentage of return for their investment.
6./ZG26_Custard Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 Kuban...very likely Kursk...likely MTO...one can hope PTO...unlikely
Fern Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 I really, REALLY like this picture. Haha, I would love this. Imagine multiplayer carrier ops lol.
Gambit21 Posted September 7, 2016 Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Both are great machines with character, each has some flaws that can be exploited in combat. Also, I dont think it would be worse than LaGG-3 vs 109 F-4, A6M2 has indeed better turn and climb performance but it cant follow Wildcat in prolonged dives. And it cant follow it in rolls at higher speeds. And Wildcat has far greater ammo load. It would be a great base for any early to mid war Pacific expansion. I had the privilege of watching several real Zeros fly around, up close a few weeks ago. There was no more impressive and beautiful aircraft produced IMHO. Also a few Oscars, Wildcats and 2 of the worlds 5 flying Hellcats were putting on displays - the Zeke is what really stuck with me though - just beautiful. Edited September 7, 2016 by Gambit21
BlitzPig_EL Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 Think about the poor souls who had to take Wildcats/Martlets up against 109s. I shudder to think of it.
Juri_JS Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 Over Norway in 1945 and the Wildcats were the winners.
-=PHX=-SuperEtendard Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Think about the poor souls who had to take Wildcats/Martlets up against 109s. I shudder to think of it. Didn't the Wildcats fight more of the Emils rather than Friedrichs (in North Africa)? In some of the Historical servers in IL-2 1946 there were some late war Norway matches in which there were Royal Navy Hellcats and Corsairs (maybe Seafires as well?) vs Bf-109 G6.... I wonder if that is true and if so how much did it happen... Edited September 8, 2016 by -=PLR=-SuperEtendard
Juri_JS Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 In some of the Historical servers in IL-2 1946 there were some late war Norway matches in which there were Royal Navy Hellcats and Corsairs (maybe Seafires as well?) vs Bf-109 G6.... I wonder if that is true and if so how much did it happen... There were Royal Navy carrier raids along the Norwegian coast. Clashes with Fw-190s and Bf-109s of JG 5 were rare, but they did happen. 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 Didn't the Wildcats fight more of the Emils rather than Friedrichs (in North Africa)? In some of the Historical servers in IL-2 1946 there were some late war Norway matches in which there were Royal Navy Hellcats and Corsairs (maybe Seafires as well?) vs Bf-109 G6.... I wonder if that is true and if so how much did it happen... Yep. Operation Tungsten for example, the Fleet Air Arm attack on the Tirpitz ran afoul of Luftwaffe Bf109s and FW190s. Three kills for one Hellcat lost apparently. Another almost completely unknown operation was Operation Leader. USS Ranger made an attack off the coast of Norway in the fall of 1943 with a deck full of Wildcats, Dauntlesses, and Avengers. Two floatplanes and a Ju88 were shot down by Wildcats. There are other examples of mostly Fleet Air Arm (but a little bit of US Navy too) operations that involved American carrier aircraft involved with operations against the Luftwaffe.
Asgar Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 it's a nice sunny Thursday. The perfect day to announce some new theater don't you think guys?
216th_Jordan Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 well, it must happen in the next 36 hours
Asgar Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 i would prefer for it to happen in the next 4 hours :D
LuftManu Posted September 8, 2016 Posted September 8, 2016 Damm! The new theater is awesome and also white!
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