New Theater Announced Tomorrow??

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Jason just posted a new thread.

 

ANNOUNCEMENT NEXT WEEK!

[Tr.Gr.186_Schutze]

Introducing another random russian theater would not bring new people in, it would only keep around the regular hardcore sim crowd. If they would  introduce Kuban they would have to put insane effort with new features and planes to maintain current crowd and attract new people. Maybe double the plane set, more realistical weather system, ai improvements, but also bigger amount of players per map.

 

If they decide to go for cash and build war chest for future releases then definitely pacific, mto, bob, bof.

 

If they decide to go for something crazy and innovative then Spanish civil  war, Chinese/Japanese war. This would be a huge risk and literally stepping into undiscovered area however I doubt there was ever sim made for this period and areas.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I think someone should open a book on this! I will place a bet!

[Rolling_Thunder]

There's a difference between clod and BoS. Clod with its click pits attract a certain player that only DCS will compete with. I personaly think it would be a mistake to avoid the Mediterranean theatre just because TF are doing it. I think this game is strong enough to make money competing with TF on a Mediterranean front. Like chief said, Warthunder does everywhere, Apples and Oranges. Clod has certain German planes, it didn't stop folk buying BoM. Should the devs avoid spitfire and hurricanes because clod has them?

[smink1701]

A week from tomorrow!

[Gambit21]

There's a difference between clod and BoS. Clod with its click pits attract a certain player that only DCS will compete with. I personaly think it would be a mistake to avoid the Mediterranean theatre just because TF are doing it. I think this game is strong enough to make money competing with TF on a Mediterranean front. Like chief said, Warthunder does everywhere, Apples and Oranges. Clod has certain German planes, it didn't stop folk buying BoM. Should the devs avoid spitfire and hurricanes because clod has them?

 

It would be a mistake at this juncture, maybe not for down the road.

Right now they need to maximize the customer base and interest, duplicating a theater (I had no idea about TF because I don't keep track of that stuff) is not

the wisest move in that regard. I've held a strong opinion for a long time on what the ideal theater needs to be if not the next release, then the release after to get the most pilots

enthusiastically throwing money at them. I've said here on a few occasions in a few threads and I still believe that. (without rehashing it here). 

 

This based on what I've seen posted about, desired, requested, sought after for many years being involved in the flight sim community, and not my personal passions.

My personal interest just happens to line up with those same desires and with what I believe is the best move from a revenue standpoint. Duplicating an effort is certainly

not a good idea, nor is revisiting BoB too soon.

 

For this very next round, given all the German and Russian stuff we have, I think sticking with Russia makes absolute perfect sense. 

We've come this far, let's top it off and make it amazing, then move on. Maps and planes can always be added down the road

to flesh it out even further as resources allow. That's the beauty, at a certain point you mostly just need maps, and a plane here

and there to vastly increase the scope of a theater.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I seriously doubt what TF is doing (all due respect to those guys) is going to influence the decision that 1CGS is going to make with their publisher on the next theater.

 

Things like market research and investor interest are likely to be much higher on the list of influencers. Stuff that happens behind the scenes that we're not going to be privy to in any meaningful way. I'm super curious to hear what comes next!

[Gambit21]

Curiouser and curiouser...

[ACG_daffy_]

I don't care what the modders over at TF are doing, and neither should the dev team at 777/1CGS.

 

I uninstalled CloD a long time ago and have never looked back.   It's a dead end, unsupported by the publisher product.

 

I hope Jason and crew do go on to the Med. and keep moving forward with the kinds of improvements, like DX 11, that CloD will never see because there is no developments to it other than modding it's now out of date engine.

 

CloD is just like the other "dead" flight sims out there,  MS CFS, IL2/46, etc...  still played by very small numbers who cling to the past.  

 

This sim is the future of WW2 flight simming.   Not an old engine constantly patched up by modders, no matter how dedicated.

For one, I'm not sure that it is 'clinging to the past', as much as it is still having fun with some old friends in a platform that many of us had some of the most exciting hours of our WWII Simulated lives in!  MSCFS is awesome and still a riot.  Recall, that at one time it was the bees knees, and the multiplayer base is YET to be matched anywhere but WoW.

CloD is a fun platform also!  On most given nights....the multiplayer count still outnumbers BOM/BOS by close to 2:1....as an unsupported, modded and out of date engine.  Because it still works and is fun.

I think that this sim will very likely move forward strongly, and as much as I enjoy DCS, I think you are probably right.  Without any idea for the DCS WWII 'unicorn', this one is it.  

[Cybermat47]

I don't care what the modders over at TF are doing, and neither should the dev team at 777/1CGS.

 

I uninstalled CloD a long time ago and have never looked back.   It's a dead end, unsupported by the publisher product.

 

I hope Jason and crew do go on to the Med. and keep moving forward with the kinds of improvements, like DX 11, that CloD will never see because there is no developments to it other than modding it's now out of date engine.

 

CloD is just like the other "dead" flight sims out there,  MS CFS, IL2/46, etc...  still played by very small numbers who cling to the past.  

 

This sim is the future of WW2 flight simming.   Not an old engine constantly patched up by modders, no matter how dedicated.

Uh... despite what you say, the people who I know play old games aren't some sort of pathetic group with no future... and frankly, I'd rather have the variety of playing new and old flight sims than simply sticking to the new one, simply because it's new.

 

Yeah, the new IL-2 is great if I want to fly over Moscow and Stalingrad, but what am I supposed to do if I want to play as a 109 pilot in the Battle of Britain, or a Dauntless pilot at the Battle of Midway? Just wait for 1C/777 to go get the funds, the clearance from 1C HQ, and to develop a whole new game, then wait for Pat Wilson to make the new maps and aircraft work in PWCG, all things that seem to take at least months even after the immense amount of superb work the developers get done, when another, older game that offers me exactly what I want is just lying there?

[7.GShAP/Silas]

What TF is doing with the old CloD carcass doesn't matter, and I'd bet 777 don't care at all from a business standpoint what those guys are putting together in their spare time(good luck to them in their project, though) .  If the devs think the Mediterranean is the way to go, they'll do it and TF can deal with it.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Silas

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Why, just why are all people so obsessed by getting more more more of everything, i think a good first step would be to bring the existing stuff to a perfect state, otherwise it will be soon like a know f2p wannabe simulator that promised bombercockpits for years and nothing happened, instead they brought like 10 more bombers without cockpit

 

and also, theres no need for full planesets, single planes to buy would be enough, a 15€ price sounds way more interesting to many people than a pack of 8 or 10 for 50/80€ , in some 300 hours ive dont even touched some planes i have available

Firstly because; WHO DOESN"T LIKE NEW TOYS!?!?!?!?!?!

 

Secondly; Development is ongoing and won't stop with a new theater. Today's DD 131 shows that not only are they continuously working on improving what we have but improvements to new modules also apply to the earlier ones. Battle of Moscow aptly demonstrated this. They are tweaking and improving old data as they develop new items. It's a really nice win/win situation.

 

This team has stated several times, at least for the time being, individual aircraft sales (other than collector items) is not their sales model.

 

Drive forward but take care of what we already have. It's a good vision and I am happy to participate.

[LLv44_Damixu]

When this new Battle of Leningrad expansion will be released, I'll bomb the hell out of Russian naval base Kronstad with my Finnish Airforce Junkers Ju 88 squad. I let Luftwaffe 109 escorts from Tallinn airbase accompany me on this carnage :D

[wtornado]

I don't care what the modders over at TF are doing, and neither should the dev team at 777/1CGS.

 

I uninstalled CloD a long time ago and have never looked back.   It's a dead end, unsupported by the publisher product.

 

I hope Jason and crew do go on to the Med. and keep moving forward with the kinds of improvements, like DX 11, that CloD will never see because there is no developments to it other than modding it's now out of date engine.

 

CloD is just like the other "dead" flight sims out there,  MS CFS, IL2/46, etc...  still played by very small numbers who cling to the past.  

 

This sim is the future of WW2 flight simming.   Not an old engine constantly patched up by modders, no matter how dedicated.

CLoD has just received a Win 10 update from the Publisher it is far from over.

 

TF 5.0 patch with the new planes and Mediterranean add-on will be fun.

 

Uh... despite what you say, the people who I know play old games aren't some sort of pathetic group with no future... and frankly, I'd rather have the variety of playing new and old flight sims than simply sticking to the new one, simply because it's new.

 

Yeah, the new IL-2 is great if I want to fly over Moscow and Stalingrad, but what am I supposed to do if I want to play as a 109 pilot in the Battle of Britain, or a Dauntless pilot at the Battle of Midway? Just wait for 1C/777 to go get the funds, the clearance from 1C HQ, and to develop a whole new game, then wait for Pat Wilson to make the new maps and aircraft work in PWCG, all things that seem to take at least months even after the immense amount of superb work the developers get done, when another, older game that offers me exactly what I want is just lying there?

The Mediterranean theatre is coming for CLoD TF 5.0 they are finishing the P-40,Spitfire MKV Tropical and the Hurricane MKIV  Tropical for nothing.

 

What TF is doing with the old CloD carcass doesn't matter, and I'd bet 777 don't care at all from a business standpoint what those guys are putting together in their spare time(good luck to them in their project, though) .  If the devs think the Mediterranean is the way to go, they'll do it and TF can deal with it.

TF is creating the Mediterranean add-on who will have to deal with what?

 

I will have to pay 200$ to buy BOM and the new add-on just to keep up to date

and if the next campaign for this game Is the Mediterranean  after TF has

been working for over a year on the next TF5.0 patch that would be direct competition

with one being free and the other costing 200$.

 

You would have to buy BOM to get the P-40 for a desert campaign that is why I say 200$.

[Danziger]

Umm... 50$+20$=70$ Standard edition Battle of Wherever plus a P40 Collector Plane.

[216th_Jordan]

CLoD has just received a Win 10 update from the Publisher it is far from over.

 

TF 5.0 patch with the new planes and Mediterranean add-on will be fun.

 

The Mediterranean theatre is coming for CLoD TF 5.0 they are finishing the P-40,Spitfire MKV Tropical and the Hurricane MKIV Tropical for nothing.

 

TF is creating the Mediterranean add-on who will have to deal with what?

 

I will have to pay 200$ to buy BOM and the new add-on just to keep up to date

and if the next campaign for this game Is the Mediterranean after TF has

been working for over a year on the next TF5.0 patch that would be direct competition

with one being free and the other costing 200$.

 

You would have to buy BOM to get the P-40 for a desert campaign that is why I say 200$.

Like you had to buy BOS to have a 109 in BOM?

 

It's nice that team fusion does that, but honestly Clod gives me very little when I fly it. The Cockpits are nice but apart from that, I was very unsatisfied. Flight models felt very simple and undynamic. Also it has so many bugs (let alone weird spawn behaviour) Don't get me wrong, I'm amazed at what people can do in their free time but its just not the same as a professional developmemt team who does that for a living.

[GrendelsDad]

Il2-BOS/BOM=Major Leauge Baseball

 

CLOD=AAA baseball team

 

Both are good at baseball...one is just a higher level.

Edited September 6, 2016 by II./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[wtornado]

Umm... 50$+20$=70$ Standard edition Battle of Wherever plus a P40 Collector Plane.

It is 102$ Canadian for the premium edition with both planes.

 

I will see the next upcoming patch and where this game is going

before I spend another 204$

 

 

 

Both are good at baseball...one is just a higher level.

 

So are the ticket prices.

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

So are the ticket prices.

There is a sale at 50% off for BoS right now.  I'm guessing after the next theater release, BoM will have sales as well.

 

That said, people can buy BoS premium for $40USD.  I think that is a hell of a deal...

 

If budget is an extremely tight issue, then wait for things to go on sale.  The way I always looked at it:  If people have time to sit and play computer games, they obviously have time to work.  

 

 

If you can't afford the game at full price, work at a fast food joint for a week in the evenings for 3-4 hours.  You could buy 2 copies of premium with that money....

[wtornado]

Everything comes on sale sooner or later I am in no hurry and there will be less bugs when I do get it half price.

Notice I said less and not no bugs like if the game went gold.

Edited September 6, 2016 by WTornado

[GrendelsDad]

I./ZG1_GrendelsDad, on 06 Sept 2016 - 10:59, said: Both are good at baseball...one is just a higher level.

So are the ticket prices.

 

Got to pay to play.

Edited September 6, 2016 by II./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[ZachariasX]

$200... thats like half a joystick. I remember paying like $99 for Microproses F-19. Had one flyable plane. (It was also worth it, remember, it even got a full page review in TIME Magazine.) All of the skins (1) were just all black. I find it also nice that you do not buy when there is a sale. I think we get a lot of sim for the cash...

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It is 102$ Canadian for the premium edition with both planes.

 

I will see the next upcoming patch and where this game is going

before I spend another 204$

 

 

 

 

So are the ticket prices.

I like how you converted it to CDN to justify your logic. It is also several thousand Yen but that doesn't make it $8200. 

[Lusekofte]

I wonder why COD is involved in all treads in this site. You know there are people able to like both, me for example are not sure how many years we are going to have BOS BOM BOA BOP nor COD I bet on both horses , COD excel in many ways where BOS do not and opposite , there are no topic about BOS nor COD where it is interesting to read about people not liking the topic, Normal courtesy is ignore what we do not like. This happens here , where people from the dark side comes and say what a load of crap BOS is, and opposite. Never interesting to read. Ignore games you do not like, and do not mention them where they do not belong, like right here in a topic of publishing a theatre in BOS. Nothing to do with COD at all

[BraveSirRobin]

I am in no hurry and there will be less bugs when I do get it half price.

Notice I said less and not no bugs like if the game went gold.

No, there probably won't be fewer bugs. There is no such thing as "gold" versions now. Each update fixes old bugs and adds new features and bugs.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Pretty stupid to think that it won't affect the sales, if 1C would create a theatre similar to CloD. Like some people already mentioned, you can enjoy more then one Sim. When you want to have as much variety as possible, you fly BoB at one day, some eastern front the other day. Choosing the same theatre, like another Sim would definitely lower the sales. TF is for free, and anybody who is slightly interested in CloD will get it regardless. I bet, that there are quite some people around, who wouldn't pay 80-100 bucks for a theatre that's already there. For me the only possibility to not buy the next chapter from BoX would be, if they'd make another early Soviet front theatre, OR a CloD theatre. Pretty much anybody in my squadron sees it the same way. But i am sure, they made their market research and know this, so i am pretty sure that's not gonna happen. In addition, the Med is not only Libya. There are plenty of other possible theatre's, like Crete, Greece, Jugoslavia, Malta, Sicily, or Italy, who could all have their own unique set of aircraft. Pretty sure they will come up with something that's not already covered by a current-gen simulation (CloD, DCS, BoX)

[Danziger]

This is the stupidest argument ive heard. If an old outdated sim with flight models that resemble train simulator more than a flight sim already has a certain interesting theater covered somehow we cant have the same theater in the latest and most realistic sim? Il2 46 has every theater covered. by your logic thats it no one is allowed to create more realistic sim now.

 

And why do people keep bringing up clod all the time? I couldnt give less about that old obsolete game. Stop comparing clod to bos, you should be comparing it to 46 as they are much more alike. Both have the exact same flying on rails flight models. Go to train simulator forums and compare them there. The only modern flight sims today are dcs and bos. Its time to move foward and cover all of ww2 with this next gen il2.

Spoken like a true poet

 

Some people like clod I guess. That's fine I still like 46. I downloaded clod to see what all the fuss was about and I have to say even with the team fusion updates I was nowhere near impressed as I thought I was supposed to be. Very limited plane set. Very limited map set. Things still broken. Flight physics feels unchanged from 46.

 

Everyone has the right to like what they want but why there is always so much clod comparison here?

[TWC_Ace]

Common sense would say they wont do any of the theatres/planes present in current sims (CLOD and DCS). Not including old IL2. However I dont know why but I smell american and british planes.

 

Imagine P47s, Doras, Mustangs and any of the spits in this engine....not to mention Zekes, Wildcats and Corsairs...arghhh

Edited September 6, 2016 by blackram

[Gambit21]

....not to mention Zekes, Wildcats and Corsairs...arghhh

 

Woooot!!!

[BlitzPig_EL]

All I hope for really is that we don't immediately teleport to late 1944 and have a sky filled with P51Ds, G10s, and 190Ds.   How hopelessly, utterly predictable, and boring.

[Aap]

 

 

This is the stupidest argument ive heard. If an old outdated sim with flight models that resemble train simulator more than a flight sim already has a certain interesting theater covered somehow we cant have the same theater in the latest and most realistic sim? 

 

Or maybe the argument is not stupid, it is just beyond your capability to understand these things. If somebody is doing a party with free Pepsi, I am quite sure it would affect how much Coca-Cola could be sold during that party, even if there are some Coca-Cola fanboys that claim that Pepsi is outdated and resembles water. I am pretty sure that most people would understand how selling beer during such a party would make more sense than trying to sell Coke.

[Gambit21]

All I hope for really is that we don't immediately teleport to late 1944 and have a sky filled with P51Ds, G10s, and 190Ds.   How hopelessly, utterly predictable, and boring.

 

Won't happen

[LuftManu]

Mid/Late Europe is also my favourite theater.

 

But what will improve the sales is a change in the theater, no more eastern front. American/British/Japanese... people will be coming here

[Rjel]

Everyone has the right to like what they want but why there is always so much clod comparison here?

I think it boils down to the point we all what everyone else to find interesting the things we find interest ourselves. How many times have we all (I'm sure) tried to get someone excited about simming? More times than I can remember. I think that's the need to compare the two sims.

 

As far as whether or not Bo_ whatever goes to the Med next, I'm good with that. I think it's an interesting choice and shouldn't be influenced by the competition. Do it big, do it right and do it better. The customers will decide if it's the right choice.

[LuftManu]

I think it boils down to the point we all what everyone else to find interesting the things we find interest ourselves. How many times have we all (I'm sure) tried to get someone excited about simming? More times than I can remember. I think that's the need to compare the two sims.

 

As far as whether or not Bo_ whatever goes to the Med next, I'm good with that. I think it's an interesting choice and shouldn't be influenced by the competition. Do it big, do it right and do it better. The customers will decide if it's the right choice.

Right on the spot!

 

Quality will bring people here... Sims are a niche market, people don´t mind paying more cash to get something great.

[BlitzPig_EL]

A big plus one to that!!!

 

Competition is the life blood of any enterprise.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Or maybe the argument is not stupid, it is just beyond your capability to understand these things. If somebody is doing a party with free Pepsi, I am quite sure it would affect how much Coca-Cola could be sold during that party, even if there are some Coca-Cola fanboys that claim that Pepsi is outdated and resembles water. I am pretty sure that most people would understand how selling beer during such a party would make more sense than trying to sell Coke.

If we were talking about Tab and Coca-Cola you could sell this argument

[wtornado]

I like how you converted it to CDN to justify your logic. It is also several thousand Yen but that doesn't make it $8200. 

Actually the only thing that does matter is the price at pay in the end who cares what it is based on..

 

No, there probably won't be fewer bugs. There is no such thing as "gold" versions now. Each update fixes old bugs and adds new features and bugs.

True my Star Citizen saga is an never ending story of 27GB updates every time there is a patch.

 

Common sense would say they wont do any of the theatres/planes present in current sims (CLOD and DCS). Not including old IL2. However I dont know why but I smell american and british planes.

 

Imagine P47s, Doras, Mustangs and any of the spits in this engine....not to mention Zekes, Wildcats and Corsairs...arghhh

That is so far off with the small team they have you will be waiting a while for a Jug or a Zeke.

 

I say it might come someday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The customers will decide if it's the right choice.

 

They should be finding that out soon enough when their financial earning come in after the release. 

 

We watch and wait for the outcome.

[kendo]

Common sense would say they wont do any of the theatres/planes present in current sims (CLOD and DCS). Not including old IL2. However I dont know why but I smell american and british planes.

 

Imagine P47s, Doras, Mustangs and any of the spits in this engine....not to mention Zekes, Wildcats and Corsairs...arghhh

 

Something I'd thought about was the possibility of them doing a Western / Channel Front map for the period 41-43.

 

This would allow them to re-use the existing German aircraft with no changes necessary (unlike a Med theatre which would need tropical versions). This could allow a radical approach for the new plane set - focusing mainly on US and British designs to really quickly bring the possibilities up to speed.

 

Say 8 British/US types, along with 1943 variants of 109 and 190 to make up the 10.

 

Luftwaffe types may feel consoled at the lack of new German aircraft by being able to play 41/42 scenarios on servers with the new map against US/Brit opponents without making a purchase, though for 43 scenarios I'm sure they would want to upgrade. Also DX11 and increased textures, etc would make it a new experience anyway.

 

(Or by restricting timescale to 41-42 we could get a really healthy British planeset with no need for new German types at all.)

 

Think there will be a necessity at some point to switch away from balanced 5 V 5 plane sets. Eventually new maps will be the key thing. And if the goal is to cover most theatres of WW2 in a reasonable time steps like the above would be a possible approach.

Edited September 7, 2016 by kendo

[ElPerk]

Common sense would say they wont do any of the theatres/planes present in current sims (CLOD and DCS). Not including old IL2. However I dont know why but I smell american and british planes.

 

Imagine P47s, Doras, Mustangs and any of the spits in this engine....not to mention Zekes, Wildcats and Corsairs...arghhh

There's a game that is in active development, is F2P, has a mode called Simulator Battles in arena mode, and has well over 200 playable planes, as well as almost all areas of war. Yet here we are, what does that say about common sense?

 

I wonder if developers don't actually care that much what historical content their competitors have released, but instead of what content and gameplay mechanics fit their own vision.