Who wants the Pacific theatre next.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Maybe January '42 to ----???

 

 

 

ALLIED Navy:

 

• F4F-3 'Wildcat'
• SBD-3 'Dauntless'
• TBD-1 'Devastator'
• *SPECIAL A/C: F4U-1 'Corsair' (Birdcage)

 

 

ALLIED Army:

•  
• P-40E-1 'Warhawk / Kittyhawk'
• P-38F-5-LO 'Lightning'
• B-25C "Mitchell"
• *SPECIAL A/C: B-24D-10-CO 'Liberator'

 

 

 

===========================

 

 

IJN/IJA Navy

 

 

• D3A-2 'Val'
• A5M4 Mod 24 'Claude'
• B5N2 'Kate'
• *SPECIAL A/C: A6M2-N Type 2 'Rufe'

 

 

 

Allied Army:

 

• Ki-43 II Ko 'Oscar'
• Ki-45 KAIc 'Nick'
• G3M Mod 21 'Nell'
• *SPECIAL A/C: A6M2 Mod 11 'Zeke'

 

 

Just to start off of course. Is this better?

Edited August 24, 2016 by II./ZG1=SPEKTRE76

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I've very nearly bought his China Clipper print a couple of times now. Some day, some day.....

Edited August 24, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[SOLIDKREATE]

found this....

 

 

 

United States Navy

    VF-5 (F4F) September 1942
    VC-40 (SBD, TBF)
    VMSB-131 (Avenger) 1943
    VF-26 (F4F) Mar 10 – April 25 & June 26 – Aug 5, 1943
    VF-27 (F4F) Mar 10 – April 25 & June 26 – Aug 5, 1943
    VF-28 (F4F) Mar 10 – April 25 & June 26 – Aug 5, 1943

    

    CAG 11 (Carrier Air Group 11)
    VF-11 (VB-11) 1943
    VB-21 (SBD) 1943
    VT-11 (TBF Avenger) 1943
    CASU-11 (Carrier Aircraft Service Unit) Feb 1943 – July 1944
    VS-54 (SBD, OS2U) June 11, 1943 – August 3, 1944

United States Marine Corps

    VMTB-132 (SBD) Oct 30 – Dec 24, 1942
    VMTB-233 (SBD / TBF) August 1943 – October 29, 1943
    VMF-121 (F4F) October 1942
    VMF-122 "Wolf Pack" (F4U) May 1943 – July 28, 1943 – 3rd tour
    VMF-122 (F4U) June 1943 – July 23, 1943 – 1st MAW
    VMF-124 (F4U) April 4, 1943 – ?

    

    VMSB-132 (SBD) June 23, 1943 – Aug 2, 1943 – 3rd tour
    VMSB-143 (TBF) November 12, 1942 – ? Munda
    VMSB-144 (SBD-3) June 13, 1943 – June 26, 1943 then to Russells
    VMSB-236 (SBD) Espiritu Santo Nov 43 – Nov 25, 1943 to Munda
    MABS-1 (Marine Air Base Squad-1) Feb 1, 1943 – Nov 43 to Ondonga

United States Army Air Forces

    44th FS
    38th BG, 70th BS (B-26) Fiji January – Feb 4, 1943 Fiji
    42nd BG, 69th BS (B-26, B-25) New Hebrides January – Oct 43 PDG
    42nd BG, 75th BS (B-25) ? – Oct 21, 1943 Renard
    38th BG, 70th BS (B-25) Fiji ? – Oct 22, 43 Russells
    347th FG, 67th FS (P-39) New Caledonia Aug 22, 42 – June 43
    42nd BG, 390th BS (B-25) Fiji May 11 – Oct 22, 1943 Renard
 

Edited August 24, 2016 by II./ZG1=SPEKTRE76

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It should be F4F-4 imo, dash 3 was quickly vanishing from the units and by mid 1942 it wasn't on any major aircraft carrier. 

 

Also, why on earth are you taking that A5M ? It was used on some carriers due to lack of Zeros and few were also flown to Rabaul in early days, but it was obsolete and was not given to any trained pilot. For instance during a Coral Sea events there were six A5M4s on board of Shōhō, 4 operational and 2 in reserve. There were four PO3c pilots that were trainees and were supposed to gain experience in combat, they were attached to A5M4s and could switch to a Zero only after they would be granted a permission by Lieutenant Notomi. 

I mean Claude is interesting aircraft and its really forgotten in the history due to much widely known Zero, even though Horikoshi himself considered Claude a most important step to a Zero. But regardless, it wasnt really a frontline fighter anymore. 

 

Also, I dont exactly see how many aircraft you want to include. If this is a suggestion for Il-2 than it obviously should be 5 vs 5. 

Starting with January 1942 ? Hmmm. 

 

Well, that would look like this :

IJN ---------------------- US

A6M2 ------------------ F4F-4

A6M3 ------------------ P-39 D-1 / P-400
D3A1 ------------------- SBD-3 

G4M1 ------------------ B-26

Premium

Ki-43-II ---------------- P-38-F

 

I've very nearly bought his China Clipper print a couple of times now. Some day, some day.....

I'm going for this: https://coles-aircraft.myshopify.com/products/a6m3-mod-32-zero-relic-display-wing-stringer-special-edition-2016?variant=1261051724

Some of the paintings are absolutely amazing like the one below, on the first glance it seems to be a real model in the middle of the room but then you realize how incredible painting is:

 

 

 

 

[Sokol1]

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

That one is absolutely amazing Sokol1. Great finding !

[Trooper117]

I almost forgot I was watching a video game!

[SOLIDKREATE]

It should be F4F-4 imo, dash 3 was quickly vanishing from the units and by mid 1942 it wasn't on any major aircraft carrier. 

 

Also, why on earth are you taking that A5M ?

 

Well, that would look like this :

IJN ---------------------- US

A6M2 ------------------ F4F-4

A6M3 ------------------ P-39 D-1 / P-400

D3A1 ------------------- SBD-3 

G4M1 ------------------ B-26

Premium

Ki-43-II ---------------- P-38-F

 

 

 

Nostalgia for A5M and battle re-creation.

 

 

I like the idea of Oscar vs. Lighting!

 

Also is your A6M3 a Mod 32? I would really love the 'Rufe' in there too. Maybe a few months later a 'Recon Pack" that includes the F1M2 and the PBY-5A. Some might see that as unfair because of the Catalina's massive payload it can carry. I still think a heavy bomber for each should be in there like the B-24D-10 and G4M? However I am not to knowledgeable on the IJN/IJA aircraft.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, its A6M3 model 32 (so called Hamp). Better than Recon pack would be a Float pack, but as Jason indicated in other thread that would require some water modelling so I dont know how it would look now. 

Also, it was said before that big bombers arent really making it into game at least any time soon. And G4M isnt really a heavy bomber at all, its even less capable in payload terms than B-25. 

[Mustang_45]

 

Also, why on earth are you taking that A5M ? It was used on some carriers due to lack of Zeros and few were also flown to Rabaul in early days, but it was obsolete and was not given to any trained pilot. For instance during a Coral Sea events there were six A5M4s on board of Shōhō, 4 operational and 2 in reserve. There were four PO3c pilots that were trainees and were supposed to gain experience in combat, they were attached to A5M4s and could switch to a Zero only after they would be granted a permission by Lieutenant Notomi. 

I mean Claude is interesting aircraft and its really forgotten in the history due to much widely known Zero, even though Horikoshi himself considered Claude a most important step to a Zero. But regardless, it wasnt really a frontline fighter anymore.

 

 

I agree. The A5M "Claude" was not a prominently featured aircraft anymore. It is therefore not needed. There were other IJN / IJA types that were far more important.

[Asgar]

this is the "poll" section....there is no poll 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You missed it. It was unanimously hailed that we want Pacific 

[Roast]

Where is the poll

 

I like to vote No, you see

[Gambit21]

April 1942 through December 1943

 

See the link in my signature.

[senseispcc]

It is a little late for my opinion but it is: No!

The pacific theatre is maybe the perfect theatre for game design teams (nearly empty maps with lot of water or jungle but little human structures) but for players it was never a very equilibrated campaign. 

One side had always a great tactical advantage and for most of the war it was on the allied side, 9/10 of it.

Only some rare Japanese pilots could reverse the overwhelming allied material superiority.

In the air the Japanese had no chance of winning!   

It is a little late for my opinion but it is: No!

The pacific theatre is maybe the perfect theatre for game design teams (nearly empty maps with lot of water or jungle but little human structures) but for players it was never a very equilibrated campaign. 

One side had always a great tactical advantage and for most of the war it was on the allied side, 9/10 of it.

Only some rare Japanese pilots could reverse the overwhelming allied material superiority.

In the air the Japanese had no chance of winning!   

[Feathered_IV]

I want it.  Preordering Battle of Kuban was just a means to an end. 

And for the record, the Midway campaign was such a close run thing and the forces so well matched - it was little more than luck that was the deciding factor. 

[Legioneod]

The Pacific theater will be great, I can't wait for it. The only thing that would be better is a western European theater but I don't think that will happen unfortunately (big mistake imo if they never go to western Europe)

 

The Pacific offers alot of cool aircraft and it has the best of both worlds imo (land based aircraft like the P-47, P-51, B-26, P-38, B24, etc. and it has a great selection of naval aircraft like the f4f, f6f, f4u, etc.)

[Bullets]

Oh boy the thought of getting to fly a zero or corsair in this sim gives me tingles    pleeeeasseeee

[Heliopause]

 

[CanadaOne]

Carrier takeoffs and landings at the level of detail that this sim offers would be nothing short of awesome.

 

As for the battle or scenario, I don't really care.

[OrLoK]

More planes, more environments, It's all good.

 

The pacific theatre doesnt greatly excite me personally, but I'll definitely buy whatever arena the devs produce.

 

The more cash in the dev's coffers the more likely we'll get the theatre we each desire.

[Danziger]

I wasn't excited about the Pacific at first. But for some reason I really want to get in a Devastator and take off from a carrier with a torpedo. I think in this sim and especially with VR it will be an amazing experience. I think it will remind me of my childhood days playing Microprose 1942 Pacific Air War.

[Scojo]

One side had always a great tactical advantage and for most of the war it was on the allied side, 9/10 of it.

I have to disagree.

 

Strategic, yes. Tactical, no. And for a Flight Sim, only the latter matters as piloting planes is small picture tactics, not big picture strategy.

 

The Japanese had several opportunities to not only capitalize on tactical advantages, but also create them and they didn't. That's often why the loser loses individual battles early on in wars.

 

Plus, Feathered_IV hit the other point I was going to make. Had the Japanese performed in the battle better, we would have seen a very different war from a short term and tactical standpoint.

 

But you're right, in the long term, the Japanese would have never truly been able to stand up to the Industrial might of the US.

[Legioneod]

I wasn't excited about the Pacific at first. But for some reason I really want to get in a Devastator and take off from a carrier with a torpedo. I think in this sim and especially with VR it will be an amazing experience. I think it will remind me of my childhood days playing Microprose 1942 Pacific Air War.

 

I can't wait for the Devastator. It's the aircraft that I most look forward to flying, the only thing that would be better is the B-26.

 

Edited April 25, 2017 by Legioneod

[=FEW=Hauggy]

This thing was horribly slow XD

You fear nothing!

[Lusekofte]

I agree with him, the HS 129, Devastator, Dauntless and Kate is the one I wait the most for. If pacific come with no Devastator , I will consider if it is worth pursuing at all, it will depend on witch 2 engine bombers there will be. Midway is simply wing clipped without the Devastator, its losses made it possible for the Dauntless to come into range of the Japanese carriers. Brave crewes they where

[hirondo]

I would 100-times more prefer MTO then a Pacific theatre.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I would 100-times more prefer MTO then a Pacific theatre.

Majority do not voted for Pacific...

[Gambit21]

...and yet the correct decision was still made.

Hurray for logic!!

[9./JG27DavidRed]

I would 100-times more prefer MTO then a Pacific theatre.

you are not alone

[Gambit21]

Soooo looking forward to that first Pacific release - then another one after.

Very much not alone in that sentiment as well.

 

Good times.

[Trooper117]

I'm not looking forward to it I have to say... but the movers and shakers have said that is the direction in which this wheel is turning so I am reluctantly going with it.

I still say the battle of France in 1940 would be worth a visit.

BoB has been done to death, but 'Leaning Forward' into France in 1941-43 would be a good move after that

 

Come to think of it, something that hasn't been properly covered is Beaufighters and Mossies' from the Banf Strike Wing, wreaking havoc on German installations and shipping over Norway.

Escorted by RAF Mustangs of course

 

Still, we are where we are, and the Pacific is looming quietly in the background, waiting for next year to turn up... 

[Gambit21]

A France/Tactical map and plane set would be an excellent move after PTO.

[HBPencil]

If it's not impolitic to ask, is there a link to whatever poll or method was used for the vote (for which theatre to go to next) that I see referenced so often? I ask as so far the only one I've found was a poll (in the Poll sub-forum) created by a regular member after the PTO move was announced.

[crossfade]

 

 

There you go: 

 

 

Thanks! My favorite plane of WW2  well the 21 was but I'll take what I'm givin

Edited May 29, 2017 by crossfade

[Haza]

 

 

I just sea (see what I did there?) targets!

I would 100-times more prefer MTO then a Pacific theatre.

 

We might be able to attack the Swiss Navy!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Sea...sea everywhere.............

Calls for modelling of realistic navigation systems.

 

  

Edited May 30, 2017 by FlyingShark

[Tomsk]

Yes, I do think the pacific theatre could be good ... but if 1C really want to get my attention for a pacific theatre then a P-38 would do the trick  Well or a P-47, but they were less common. I'm sure I'd enjoy Zeros vs Wildcats, but it doesn't particularly grab me. The P-38 however was critical to the success in the theatre, and it's been a long time since anyone simulated one.

Edited May 30, 2017 by Tomsk

[Winglesschip209]

I also want to see some jap planes and specially U.S. planes feel like U.S. was never in WW2 their should be a gaming law their must be a P-51 Mustang in every flight sim. Its the most iconic plane of all times and its missing in IL-2 

[Gambit21]

yawn