Ground looping in Russian planes on landing - loosing my mind here.

[Mmaruda]

So here is the problem, I land, roll a bit and do everything in my power to stop in a straight line without the Tokyo drift mess. 3 out of 10 trials are successful, the rest I fail. Now I have no problem with taxing with Russian planes. I get that you need some engine power for the rudder to work and I understand how the wheel brakes work. But with landing, something eludes me. I am not saying there is anything unrealistic here, but so far I have not been able to find a consistent procedure that would work.

 

I do remember sometime last year I was able to land perfectly in the La-5 all the time by applying left and right brake interchangeably, but it does not seem to work any more. It does work perfectly with German planes, I just tap left and right brake in constant intervals and stop perfectly. With Russian planes it's hit or miss. Now I have tried adding some power to make the rudder work, but the problem is, there aren't many long runways in BOS / BOM. I have tried full prop-pitch, and low prop pitch, flaps full on off and I still cannot find a method that would work consistently. I mean, there has to be some correct procedure, but I am unable to find anything that works 100% of the time.

 

Can someone please ELI5 me on the issue?

[TP_Jacko]

There is a lot on the forum on this even a video

[von_Tom]

Land at full pitch and the instant you're down, full brakes and keep 20-30% throttle.  Dab brakes to keep straight.

 

von Tom

[LukeFF]

Have a look at the tutorials on this page: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnyigzFtHeNquPvKFr3mazkk_VK0JpxUw

[HippyDruid]

I was having a similar problem when using left and right toe brakes.

I'm not sure exactly what it was? Prehaps one of my feet was heavier than the other, but it was a frustrating experience.

 

I bound both left and right brakes to one button on the joystick and I've never had the problem since. And taxiing in general is much easier now.

[LLv34_Temuri]

I was having a similar problem when using left and right toe brakes.

I'm not sure exactly what it was? Prehaps one of my feet was heavier than the other, but it was a frustrating experience.

 

I bound both left and right brakes to one button on the joystick and I've never had the problem since. And taxiing in general is much easier now.

Apart from P-40, there is no separate brake buttons for left and right brakes.

[Lusekofte]

I was having a similar problem when using left and right toe brakes.

I'm not sure exactly what it was? Prehaps one of my feet was heavier than the other, but it was a frustrating experience.

 

I bound both left and right brakes to one button on the joystick and I've never had the problem since. And taxiing in general is much easier now.

 

 

I bound one pedal to both brakes , this way you can still use the pedals

[Lusekofte]

Anyway, I haven't seen any tutorials, Like you I have looked at this as mind versus matter and fought for years to get it right. Unlike me you have asked for help. What I found out with my million dollar experience and a big pool of wreck is to find each and everyone plane speed before stall with applied flaps. And never go under it, then make a 3 point landing. If you know the stall speed this is fairly easy. 

too low speed I find is the big enemy, before and after touchdown

Edited August 17, 2016 by 216th_LuseKofte

[HippyDruid]

Apart from P-40, there is no separate brake buttons for left and right brakes.

Really? I assumed most of the aircraft in this game had left n right brakes, well there u go: You learn something new everyday. 

 

I guess my main point was about removing the wheel brake from my pedals altogether. No chance of accidental Yaw from the pedals when using a joystick button. It's improved my landing handling tenfold.

[LLv34_Temuri]

Really? I assumed most of the aircraft in this game had left n right brakes, well there u go: You learn something new everyday. 

The German ones do have separate buttons/axis for right and left brakes. For VVS, you have brake button, and braking is done to the side which pedal you are pushing.

[Sokol1]

I bound one pedal to both brakes , this way you can still use the pedals

 

You can assign both pedal brakes(right/left) for "Wheel brakes". Each game command accept up to 3 assignments.

 

In this way, pressing right or left brake pedal and moving the rudder for same side will brake only this wheel in Russian planes. A "fake" toe brakes.

 

Similar trick was used in il-2:46 (in this game, be editing config files).

[VBF-12_Snake9]

The I16 has toe brakes.

 

Drives like a car too.

[Eclipse4349]

... I do remember sometime last year I was able to land perfectly in the La-5 all the time by applying left and right brake interchangeably, but it does not seem to work any more. It does work perfectly with German planes, I just tap left and right brake in constant intervals and stop perfectly...

 

Now I have tried adding some power to make the rudder work...

First, I would forget about using the rudder to control the plane after landing. The issue you are having is that Russian planes do not have independent left and right brakes activated by pressing a left or right brake pedal, as you have in the German planes. There is a separate keybind for "wheel brakes" that applies to the Russian brake system.

 

To brake both wheels, you leave the rudder pedals centered and push the wheel brakes key. To brake the left wheel more than the right, you would hit the wheel brakes key while pushing the left rudder pedal forward. Having the rudder pedal pressed fully left with leave the right wheel spinning free, so it is in effect the same as pressing the left toe pedal in a German plane.

 

If you can taxi to the runway leaving the tail wheel locked the entire way, turning corners using throttle manipulation and wheel brakes to skid the (still locked) tail wheel around, you will have zero trouble rolling out after landing. That was actually how I found out about the Russian brakes work, and the keybind for it - I couldn't taxi to the runway for the life of me without ending up in the deep snow at some point! Now it's as easy as driving a car.

 

Good luck, hope this helped!

Edited September 1, 2016 by Eclipse4349

[Mmaruda]

I love how all the answers either tell me things that I have considered obvious or provide completely useless information.

 

It seems to me, that neither of you guys has a 100% full proof way of doing it, or no one at all understands how it works in the sim. Last possibility is that the ground handling is just broken and that is why there are no consistent results.

 

BTW thank you for telling me the same stuff I already posted I know. Makes me wonder why bother explaining anything with regard to a question, when nobody bothers to read.

 

Yes, I know, a month has passed since I posted it. Still unable do consistent landings in the La-5, still no accurate procedure.

[Mmaruda]

2) steering with small, fast rudder inputs while holding full brakes. If you react late and kick too hard, around you will go.

 

What you are essentially is differential braking, and that is how I prevent ground loops in German planes. I did try it in Russian one with mixed results, but what I did was  push right rudder, press brake, let go, push left rudder, press brake, let go and so on. Never though about holding the brake lever all the time. Will try ASAP and report back with results.

[Mmaruda]

Ok just tried with holding the brake lever and pushing left/right rudder. It worked! It worked damnit! I did 3 consecutive landings with the La-5 on a dirt field and stopped in a straight line. This is amazing! I always thought that if you hold the brake, you will flip over, but in combination with rudder it's just differential braking and the wheels don't lock. Good tip with the added throttle below 100kph as well.

 

Thank you man! Thank you so much!

 

PS Nice avatar.