Almost Ready to Announce

[Jade_Monkey]

Since Odessa and another "mystery" map are on the works on the side, I do hope that the main franchise moves to another theatre to get a variety of planes.

 

I'll support regardless, for all the joy this sim has brough to me.

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

Fix the engine limits of the P-40 and they have my money, I'd be happy to pay just for that.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I have high hopes for next expansion, but also in relation to game engine and code. Hopefully code will get improved to fully utilize multi-core cpus. There are so many changes in IT technologies recently happening that following them is simply another need for this type of games. 

 

 

We know what we are going to do next and the next after that assuming we get the commitment for the budget.

On the second thought though, its interesting how to interpret those words. Does it mean that next two theaters will be related to each other in some close way ... 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Exciting stuff. I wonder if both the following and the future release will be revealed at the same time?

That is my hope and it kinda sounds that way.

[JtD]

Mediterranean, all roads lead to Rome!!!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I prefer Constantinople and Eastern Roman Empire. But thats a different story. 

 

Also, in this case it should be rather Tobruk  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Med makes the most sense to me personally. Good to great aircraft sets, multiple terrain options and you could easily introduce carrier ops to get their feet wet for PTO.

 

Pun intended.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I'm not entirely into Med since Team Fusion guys already bring it in large scale. I simply would not be able to choose which game to play with too many options of same area

[216th_Jordan]

When I read many of those posts here I get kind of upset. Damn if I were a developler i'd left this community and genre behind long ago. too bad those devs are so into it and their work is getting bashed all along. Many in this simulator crowd really got issues. You could just enjoy what great content there is in this game or not. If not just leave it, bring something into it or do something else, get along with your live. It obvious that a lot of whishes cannot be fulfilled and something will always be flawed.

 

I for myself will support this team however long they continue to keep up their work and however uninteresting a theatre should be for me at first.

 

Really impressed by this teams endurance.

[Original_Uwe]

When I read many of those posts here I get kind of upset. Damn if I were a developler i'd left this community and genre behind long ago. too bad those devs are so into it and their work is getting bashed all along. Many in this simulator crowd really got issues. You could just enjoy what great content there is in this game or not. If not just leave it, bring something into it or do something else, get along with your live. It obvious that a lot of whishes cannot be fulfilled and something will always be flawed.

I for myself will support this team however long they continue to keep up their work and however uninteresting a theatre should be for me at first.

Really impressed by this teams endurance.

Well kudos to you for being willing to buy a game that you find uninteresting.

As for me...not so much.

The thing I find disturbing is the Stockholm syndrome of some of the players. This attitude of buy everything they release regardless of its appeal shoots the player in the foot.

If they want to make money they need to cater to their players interests. Right now they are catering to their home audience with Russian front theaters and a $12 version of the game.

I'd be perfectly happy to shell out the cash they demand from we westerners, but I expect content that caters to my interest for the money. No more throwing good after bad.

[SharpeXB]

If they want to make money they need to cater to their players interests.

Yes but all those interests are different. Getting what you want personally might mean funding something that somebody else wants. That's how it works. Sitting on the sidelines and pouting gets us nowhere.

[216th_Jordan]

As I said no to need to buy it if you don't like it and play something else. This is your decision.

Edited August 14, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[Original_Uwe]

Yes but all those interests are different. Getting what you want personally might mean funding something that somebody else wants. That's how it works. Sitting on the sidelines and pouting gets us nowhere.

Yes and funding their Russian expeditions gets us, who are tired of its vast emptiness, nowhere.

No pouting here, but the devs need to know that if they continue in Russia they do so with less of their customer base, as obviously I'm not the only one.

Now let's see some balmy mediteranian coasts and I'll be first in line, or France, or the Balkans, or even the pacific.

No more Russia though. Never again. You want western money give us western fights.

Edited August 14, 2016 by 5./JG26_Dots

[JtD]

When I read many of those posts here I get kind of upset. Damn if I were a developler i'd left this community and genre behind long ago.

From my time on the other side I can tell you that a few con-comments didn't spoil it for me. Mostly positive feedback, bit of justified criticism, a few notorious whiners. It's how it was, it's how it is, it's how it's going to be. If that's not good enough for you, you shouldn't publish anything.

[Original_Uwe]

True statement JtD.

[LeRocket]

the attitude towards mods (with dcs more specifically planes) are generally the same here, over at dcs and at team fusion. all are welcoming in 3rd party addons as long as they are up to the standards set by the team.

 

now i very much enjoyed BoM and BoS because i like flying, nothing more, nothing less. i'm not looking for a new world to lose myself in, i just want to damned fly and that's what this game does very good, let you fly. i have yet to encounter anything that prevents me from doing so.

 

they'll announce the new theater in a few weeks so wait till' then to get your panties in a bunch.

[RAY-EU]

Important planes for fix like Fw190 . But this is the best Simulator comercial you can buy , only compares DCS .

Is very funny and ' realistic ' . I will buy every think of this simulator , is the best ... For me this Simulator values more , is very Good Best

If the future price of il2 battle... is about 100€ Software , I will spend 100 times more € in Hardware for this Simulator &(DCS) .This year

[beepee]

 

 

You want western money give us western fights.

 

You mean "You want American money give us American fights"?

 

Pouting.

[Original_Uwe]

You mean "You want American money give us American fights"?

 

Pouting.

Not at all. Id be most happy with RAF v Luftwaffe in the desert or northern Europe.

I actually don't care for the American aircraft for much except targets. P-40/47 are beautiful but I don't like flying them, and the 51 is a drag.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Not pouting, expressing an opinion.

 

I see lots of our European friends expressing a desire for a late war defense or the Reich scenario, and no one is calling that pouting.

 

Everyone wants their favorite plane/scenario.  What is wrong with that?

 

Personally I would like to see more western aircraft, be they English, French, or American, and Japanese as well...   Let's face it, the only bird we have from the Western Allies isn't exactly well portrayed now is it?

[216th_Jordan]

Mostly positive feedback, bit of justified criticism, a few notorious whiners. It's how it was, it's how it is.

 

I hope then that its just my impression that is wrong here. And yes, I probably shouldn't publish

[Rolling_Thunder]

Not pouting, expressing an opinion.

 

I see lots of our European friends expressing a desire for a late war defense or the Reich scenario, and no one is calling that pouting.

 

Everyone wants their favorite plane/scenario.  What is wrong with that?

 

Personally I would like to see more western aircraft, be they English, French, or American, and Japanese as well...   Let's face it, the only bird we have from the Western Allies isn't exactly well portrayed now is it?

 

Also the introduction of a western theatre or the pacific would open up the American market. Seriously what else is there to do with the East? the planeset is pretty much done apart from a few different variants. Maps can be introduced it doesn't take a whole new BoX to flesh out the Eastern front, just a few maps and one or two collector planes. (German tankbusters). I would be very interested to see some pacific scenery in this game, as good as it looks, also the Mediterranean.  There may be some bias on my part, as a Brit, but the East is done. Lets have some Beaufighters, Typhoons, Spitfires, Hurricanes.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

How about we all wait with the "I wont but it if..." "we need this" but wait and see what they will bring us.

 

They are making a ju-52 and I guess thats because of the forums suggestion. They already know what most of you guys want and so on and they have the real numbers that matters

 

Just wait and see before starting WW3 over a comment saying "we will announce the future soon"

[Chief_Mouser]

But we can't do it all unless everyone, and I mean everyone gets behind us and buys everything we offer.

 

 

What on earth is this? Just who is this 'everyone'? Just us eejits who bother to argue on these forums or all those silent types who never, ever, post? (And if there are no silent types then you really are in trouble.)

Whoever we are, are you really ordering us to buy it all without any second thoughts?

 

Personally, I will only buy that content what I want. It's my money and I'll do what I bloody well like with it.

I will buy the Ju52 because I'm interested. I won't buy all of the 'Collector' planes because I think that they are overpriced, and it didn't help that you recently closed a perfectly well-behaved thread about it thus preventing (banning?) any discussion on the subject. Great public relations.

I will buy the next expansion because I love new maps, new aircraft, and this sim does it really well. But I won't fork out any money for anything that doesn't fit in with the historical scenario. That's just me, ok? My money, my choice.

If 1C:777 have listened to all of the requests and wishes on here then I'm sure that whatever comes next will be good - and I'm looking forward to it.

Cheers.

[Bearfoot]

Well kudos to you for being willing to buy a game that you find uninteresting.

As for me...not so much.

The thing I find disturbing is the Stockholm syndrome of some of the players. This attitude of buy everything they release regardless of its appeal shoots the player in the foot.

If they want to make money they need to cater to their players interests. Right now they are catering to their home audience with Russian front theaters and a $12 version of the game.

I'd be perfectly happy to shell out the cash they demand from we westerners, but I expect content that caters to my interest for the money. No more throwing good after bad.

 

Hey, "we westerners" can speak for ourselves. You speak for yourself, I'll speak for me, OK?

 

No Stockhold syndrome here: I fly DCS as well as CLoD as well as RoF.

 

Happy to invest in this company even in theaters that do not interest me personally because:

 

(a) The theatre is secondary to the experience. For me it is the authenticity, the immersion, and the fun/thrill. All in equal measure. I am aware that IL2 compromises on the authenticity (FM, gun firing sounds, etc.) in favor of playability, at least relative to study sims like DCS, but it still authentic enough for it float my hard-core-sim boat. Il2 provides this. And as long as it continues to provide this, while my personal preference is, e.g. Pacific/Burma/Asia, I am going to continue to invest and support the producers even if the next theatre is the Battle of Kursk or Kuban or something else on the Eastern Front.

 

(b) I am not a spoiled narrow-minded brat.

[seafireliv]

Perhaps because this marketing approach reminded you of this....?

 

 

shoot_the_dog.jpg

 

 

btw. I like dogs, so I will probably buy

 

I dunno. It was a very strange message. It made me feel like if I didn`t guarantee I`d buy, people would be out on the street. Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee I`ll buy any game, no matter how much I may like it. we are not all rich enough to throw money at whomever asks it. It`s unfair to even ask such a thing.

 

My father always said, `Always know what`s important.`  And buying game is not the most important thing compared to other stuff I have to afford in life.

 

That said, i will most likely buy, but no guarantees.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Well, personally I want the German FM fixed and the ground modelling with taxiing before anything else but then I can take Finland as a scenario.

[SharpeXB]

What on earth is this? Just who is this 'everyone'? Just us eejits who bother to argue on these forums or all those silent types who never, ever, post?

Less than 1% of the players post anything on the forum. So yeah these discussions are all well and good and frankly the only way to express ideas and opinions etc. But it's not really indicative of any majority.

This game like all others, is purchased by tens of thousands of ordinary players who don't post anything at all.

Edited August 14, 2016 by SharpeXB

[Yogiflight]

As I understand Jasons post, they will anounce the next two scenarios, of which the first one will be eastern front again and if there are enough sales it will be followed by a western scenario, most likely not Africa as TF will do it next for CoD. It would not make a lot of sense to go there, too.

[Rjel]

Arrgh, please don't group all of us who are in the 'West' as having this/your opinion!

 

I get really tired of reading comments like that too. I'd prefer to voice my own opinions, thanks all the same.

 

I'm hoping for a new theater too but I'm fairly certain I'll buy what comes, at least one more time. Where some see doom and gloom, a lot of the rest of us see a lot of exciting developments coming soon to this sim series. I'm more than tired of watching fellow simmers label others as fanboys or suffering from Stockholm syndrome (rather insulting to people who've been put in desperate situations to compare it to a game release) because they are enthusiastic. If the impending release of the Ju 52 doesn't prove that the developers are listening to the community's wants, then I should think the constant stream of DD and updates from the beginning of the series should.

[AndyJWest]

I'd guess from the fact that they are planning two expansions that they will most likely go for another eastern front one (Kuban?), along with something to broaden the scope of the sim - but time will tell. I expect I will buy whatever they come up with. Not because I want them to do something else later, but because I enjoy flying the existing aircraft, and see no reason why I shouldn't enjoy more of the same.

[beepee]

 

 

Not at all. Id be most happy with RAF v Luftwaffe in the desert or northern Europe. I actually don't care for the American aircraft for much except targets. P-40/47 are beautiful but I don't like flying them, and the 51 is a drag.

 

I stand corrected.

 

We just need to be careful with the whole "Western" and "Eastern" thing.

 

 It's natural, but it seems...Oh wait ChiefWH pretty much summed it up above.

 

[Gump]

imho, his post was not anything more than a statement that eh plan is set, but the funding is uncertain. sounds like their budget analysis shows that attaining the funding for the plan *might* be attained IF the present customer base can be relied upon for the funds. no deep pockets here.

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nothing unusual here. nothing sinister. delivering anyone/everyone's desire/expectations is a different subject (they already have plans).

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--> im not sure, though, if the statement is saying that the budget is hopeful of selling close to 100% of all CURRENT offerings, or the sale of all the PLANNED offerings? and when - before or after release?

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anyways, imho, its not a very assuring place to be in. the majority of customers will buy something AFTER they see/evaluate how it fits their wants. if they don't want it, they wont buy it. a few 'loyal' enthusiasts generally don't pay the bills. that's what makes a market work.

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I think bos/bom is the best ww2 combat sim going right now, and that's what I wanted. and it performs well enough to be enjoyable. I have desires for improvements/enhancements/more, but I play this game because I like it. but admittedly, I don't buy it all (don't own bom or a few bom planes) because it has no appeal to me.

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and all I hear here is the assumption that "plans" mean more maps. maybe ppl are aware of such? what about functional upgrades? what about more interactive features? what about FM fixes?

Edited August 14, 2016 by Gump

[Venturi]

I'm not entirely into Med since Team Fusion guys already bring it in large scale. I simply would not be able to choose which game to play with too many options of same area

 

The TF guys are dedicated and have largely rescued CLOD, but the game engine and flight modelling in BOS just simply blows CLOD away. More and more of the people I used to fly with over there are coming to BOS, and the reason is simply that the graphics, game engine, and FMs are simply beyond what the CLOD game code can achieve. Not to mention it is still being developed professionally and we can expect future developments to benefit all titles in the series.

[Lusekofte]

From my time on the other side I can tell you that a few con-comments didn't spoil it for me. Mostly positive feedback, bit of justified criticism, a few notorious whiners. It's how it was, it's how it is, it's how it's going to be. If that's not good enough for you, you shouldn't publish anything.

 

 

It is not what is said, it is the way it is presented. People make a drama for a 10$ plane that we never will hear the end of, They honestly think their nickel and dime spent justify rude behavior, Too me it is a mystery some people frequent this site and fly this sim. And the 2 people comming in now and then saying if you do not fix this or that I will never come back, just for seing them next week saying the same.

People buy Battle of Stalingrad and BOM and complain about they do not want to fly Eastern front. 

I perfectly understand criticism and not wanting to play this game, hell I am not active myself. But there got to be some kind of common sense and politeness among people flying WW2 sims? Are we totally untrained for social interactions, do we spend too much time in front of a joystick? 

The TF guys are dedicated and have largely rescued CLOD, but the game engine and flight modelling in BOS just simply blows CLOD away. More and more of the people I used to fly with over there are coming to BOS, and the reason is simply that the graphics, game engine, and FMs are simply beyond what the CLOD game code can achieve. Not to mention it is still being developed professionally and we can expect future developments to benefit all titles in the series.

 

Not quite true, sir, I fly both and find both inadequate in different ways . Both suffer from old age and not suited for further development without a major overhaul. But it is what we got. However I think it is unwise bringing subjective opinions about cod vs bos in this topic. I think we got about 10 topics like that

[[CPT]milopugdog]

They did say it'd probably be announced this month in the last DD...

[Danziger]

I'm a 100% Murican born "westerner" and I would love more of the same Russian front. Speak for yourselves because apart from a few very loud crybabies, nobody really minds what we get next as long as we DO get something next.

[SharpeXB]

 I see lots of our European friends expressing a desire for a late war defense of the Reich scenario,

Of course that's an appealing scenario but I struggle to imagine how it could be made doable in a flight sim.

First there's the requirement for many many aircraft, bombers especially. More than any game engine can handle at the present. Literally hundreds of bombers or at least enough to be believable in the formations.

Second, the flight times and map sizes (just about the whole continent, a good chunk of England to Germany and back) aren't feasible for a game. Maybe some creative mission design could do it. But restricting the gameplay to air-starts and air-quits deprives players of takeoff and landing which is the hallmark of a "sim" vs "game". Probably there are some creative ideas to overcome all this though.

[Danziger]

Maybe bomber formation farther away could be controlled by a single plane AI? Just for the sake of filling the sky? Maybe something like a LOD? The farther away a formation is the more simplified it gets?

[SharpeXB]

Maybe bomber formation farther away could be controlled by a single plane AI? Just for the sake of filling the sky? Maybe something like a LOD? The farther away a formation is the more simplified it gets?

They already suggested the idea of having far away aircraft use a simple flight model. So yeah that sound reasonable.