New graphic card (gtx 1060)

[=LG=Wicher]

Hello,

 

My specs:

Intel Xeon Processor E3-1230V2 [8M Cache, 3.30 GHz]
Nvidia Geforce Gtx 760 (2GB OC Version)
16GB Ram 1600Mhz
PSU: 650W Corsair
Motherboard: MSI Z68A-G43
Operating system: Windows 10

 

I'm going to buy in near time a gtx 1060.

My worries are about mainboard, and PSU. Firstly, will my mainboard be able to handle the gtx 1060 (will it be compatibile), I mean, I know it is PCI-E x16 slot which is standard, I'm more concerned about BIOS ( current version 5.0). And secondly will 650W be enough (I guess easily, but I'm not sure).

 

And do you think my processor will handle this card or can it be not enought powerfull? I have dedicated air cooling for my processor so it is OC to 3.7 GHz.

[Dakpilot]

Pretty sure the 1060 uses less power than the 760, with a 650W PSU i am certain you will be fine

 

Z68 1155 socket MB with PCI-E x 16 should be fine with GTX1060 and latest graphic card drivers

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[kestrel79]

curious to see how a 1060 runs this game, I was thinking about getting a 1070 this fall.

[216th_Jordan]

please report back! I also think about getting a 1060. However, do not get a 1060 if you run 2k or higher and want to have stable 60 fps. I will run mine at a full hd display where it should perform awesome. Would like to hear what you are getting out of it.

[Fishbed64]

Well i have GTX1060...but there is not much to write about in terms of performance in il2 BOS because BOS is so much CPU demanding(old DX9 engine badly optimize for multicore CPUs)that there is not much difference between GTX960 and GTX1060 even on ultra settings,according to GPU-Z my GTX1060 is used only for 50% if i play BOS,which is again indication of CPU bottleneck even with core i7 4770(3,8ghz).Anyway in other games GTX1060 is amazing performer,it is basically twice as fast as GTX960,games like project CARS runs on 100fps even with ultra sets and FXAA to high in 1080p...so yeah GTX1060 is amazing card for the money.        

[=LG=Wicher]

This are sad news,Fishbed64 cause I have even more weaker cpu than yours

 

I will be able to buy 1060 probably at the end of this month. If I will get it I will give you feedback.

[Livai]

Reading here is so funny for a big

 

First a 650w psu is OP for a GTX 1060 and second there will be no energy saving. I run a Titan X with a 450 psu and save energy...................

 

Btw about the new Pascal GPUs

 

Just a rebranding with different Name and same performance level from the previous GPU Generation nothing special

1060 GTX = 970 GTX / 980 GTX

1070 GTX = 980 GTX TI

 

Jump into the next Generation with higher Performance than the previous GPU Generation

1080 GTX = faster than 980 GTX TI

Titan X      = faster than 1080 GTX

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Well the tests I've read the 1070 is a number above the 980Ti in all aspects. It even surpasses Titan X until resolution goes to 4k

[Livai]

Well the tests I've read the 1070 is a number above the 980Ti in all aspects. It even surpasses Titan X until resolution goes to 4k

 

It happends everytime a new Generation of Graphiccards comes out.

 

For example Nvidia Volta comes out.....

 

Rebranding with the same performance from the previous GPU Generation

1160 GTX = 980 TI GTX

1170 GTX = 1080 GTX

1180 GTX = Titan X ( Pascal )

 

The real Nvidia Volta cards that are indeed faster than the than the previous GPU Generation

 

1180 GTX TI             = faster than a 1180 GTX and if overclocked similar performance from a current Titan X ( Volta )

Titan X ( Volta )         = faster than a not overclocked 1180 GTX TI

 

The next 1060 GTX will have the performance from a 980 GTX TI that is 100% sure. You can see how long it takes for a LowEnd GTX to reach the performance from HighEnd Cards.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

The tests I read and trust are performed by Sweclockers and they haven't made any false statements as long as I have been following and that's many years now.

The charts states what I posted before and not what you say. I know what advice I will follow, forgive me for being blunt, but I don't have any knowledge about you.

Nothing personal.

[Livai]

The tests I read and trust are performed by Sweclockers and they haven't made any false statements as long as I have been following and that's many years now.

The charts states what I posted before and not what you say. I know what advice I will follow, forgive me for being blunt, but I don't have any knowledge about you.

Nothing personal.

 

I have seen a lot benchmarks from different site from different nation from different people so I know what I say. A 1070 is a 980 TI not more just with a different name and architecture. Looked to this site what you said and see what I expected. A stock 1070 is only a few FPS fast what is not really noticeable than a stock 980 TI. Now they overclock the 1070 and compare it with a stock 980 Ti and a stock Titan X and say hey look we are only 10 FPS from a stock 1080 away if we overclock the 1070.  

And this I see on many site only a few do it right. How they can compare stock vs overclocked cards? Why there are no overclocked Titan X or 980 TI to compare? There is a reason behind that! I compare the 1080p benchmarks because I play on this resolution. With higher resolution sure the gap between the cards is much more smaller and they are much more closer together but that's normal.

 

At the end it stay's that what I said there is nothing wrong in that what I said before.

 

And to the 1060 a used 980 do the same job for $100 less money to spend. The only reason that speak for a 1060 is Async Compute that improve the performance for VR and Games that use this feature. To this time where more games use this feature the 1060 will be a bottleneck or even earlier because games or VR will be more demanding during the time.

 

A 1070 hold the line longer than a 1060 can.......................

 

[Edit] Added something important

 

I told you MSI 1070 overclocked vs MSI 980 TI overclocked = same speed (Screenshot below) ?

Edited August 14, 2016 by Superghostboy

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

You might be correct, I got the 1070 based upon the test figures and the lower power consumption and I'm happy.

I don't think it's the same architecture at all. I'd rather say it's an evolution of it so not a leap forward but more a fine tuning.

[=LG=Wicher]

Well ... 1070 is 1000 zł (250$) cheaper than 980 TI so? I don't get what is your point Superhgostboy? What you want to say? That I shouldn't buy 1060? But why?

 

Edit: Ok, nope. There is not such huge diffrence between the prices but can someone explain me this:

 

http://www.x-kom.pl/p/254439-karta-graficzna-pci-e-gigabyte-geforce-gtx980ti-6144mb-384bit-windforce-iii-oc.html

http://www.x-kom.pl/p/246751-karta-graficzna-pci-e-msi-geforce-gtx980ti-6144mb-384bit-gaming.html

 

What's the diffrence beetween this 2 cards that the prices are so much different?

Edited August 15, 2016 by =LG=Wicher

[Livai]

You might be correct, I got the 1070 based upon the test figures and the lower power consumption and I'm happy.

I don't think it's the same architecture at all. I'd rather say it's an evolution of it so not a leap forward but more a fine tuning.

 

All depends what card you had before and if you want use VR and need Async Compute for better performance

If I look at the price from a 980 Ti that was $690 - $800 and not to mention the moon price from the Titan X and now you get this performance for $429 - $600 a 1070. Really impressive and lower power consuming, too. I am not a fanboy for overclocking GPUs because it cause a much higher power draw for a small FPS gain.  

 

Well ... 1070 is 1000 zł (250$) cheaper than 980 TI so? I don't get what is your point Superhgostboy? What you want to say? That I shouldn't buy 1060? But why?

The point is the price and performance increase. For the price what you pay for a new 1060 you get a used 980 Ti. A used 980 Ti cost around 1197 zł has the same performance from a 1070.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/MSI-GeForce-980-GTX-TI-GAMING-6G-/282063507116?hash=item41ac4b8eac%3Ag%3AK64AAOSw9eVXWXvk&nma=true&si=6M2CowKnPRfEkqr9H9YrcmfjeHQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

A new 1060 cost new 1154 zł to 1.474zł http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+GTX+fuer+Gaming/GTX+1060.html

A new 1070 cost not 1000 zł more! A new 1070 cost from 1800 zł to 2.700 zł http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/GeForce+GTX+fuer+Gaming/GTX+1070.html/article_per_page/5

 

Don't say me you not want spend 500 zł more for a much higher performance? You want the best for you money, do you?

 

Look back to the time where the 970 and 980 rule the benchmarks. The 970 was only 10 FPS slower and much cheaper around $200 than the 980. Now the 1060 cost the same what a 970 cost before but has the 10 FPS more what the 970 not had. Irony of fate. I had the hope that the 1060 will have a performance between 980 and 980 Ti but no you need to wait for a 1160 to have this kind of performance. Typical Nvidia. 

 

Short said a reason to buy this card is only if  the performance is between 980 and 980 Ti something what the 1060 not has. A 1070 is not that far away or a used 980 Ti what has a much better performance than a 1060. 

 

BTW if you want VR or need Async Compute there no way around a 1060/1070/1080 or the Titan X.

 

 

Edit: Ok, nope. There is not such huge diffrence between the prices but can someone explain me this:

 

http://www.x-kom.pl/p/254439-karta-graficzna-pci-e-gigabyte-geforce-gtx980ti-6144mb-384bit-windforce-iii-oc.html

http://www.x-kom.pl/p/246751-karta-graficzna-pci-e-msi-geforce-gtx980ti-6144mb-384bit-gaming.html

 

What's the diffrence beetween this 2 cards that the prices are so much different?

Gwarancja, Produkt czasowo niedostępny, Typ chłodzenia i Taktowanie rdzenia

just moon price!  I am speechless they want still that much money for a outdated new card......................

 

[HunDread]

I have just replaced a 4gb GTX 770 with a GTX 1070 and so far the experience is slightly worse than with my old card. The FPS is around the same but the overall experience is less smooth - especially the TrackIR movements as far as I can tell.

 

I hope it's just that they need to tune the newer NVIDIA drivers as I'm starting to feel a bit disappointed. I jumped on the NVIDIA forums and many pascal owners have issues and waiting for new drivers.

 

I have a 4790K and 8gb RAM to run the card.

[=LG=Wicher]

The problem about 1070 that it is out of my max price for now, in the end of the month i will get 1100-1300 zl payment + i have a little at my account so if i want 1070 i will have to wait another month

[HunDread]

I don't think you need a 1070 for BOS/BOM

[=LG=Wicher]

Yes, but I don't play only BoS so it would be nice to dont have to upgrade again my rig in near time.

[Livai]

The problem about 1070 that it is out of my max price for now, in the end of the month i will get 1100-1300 zl payment + i have a little at my account so if i want 1070 i will have to wait another month

 

How about a 1060 GTX with 3 GB VRAM? Performance will be almost the same but the price much lower. Something around from 700 zł to 1000 zł

 

Yes, but I don't play only BoS so it would be nice to dont have to upgrade again my rig in near time.

 

Take a look at the benchmarks what games you play and what performance from what gpu you can expect.

 

I have just replaced a 4gb GTX 770 with a GTX 1070 and so far the experience is slightly worse than with my old card. The FPS is around the same but the overall experience is less smooth - especially the TrackIR movements as far as I can tell.

 

I hope it's just that they need to tune the newer NVIDIA drivers as I'm starting to feel a bit disappointed. I jumped on the NVIDIA forums and many pascal owners have issues and waiting for new drivers.

 

I think the problems comes because Nvidia had the glory idea to spend the 1080 XGDDR5. Why? This XGDDR5 use a 16n Prefetch the exactly speed that this VRAM run is 5000 Mhz / 16 =  312,50 Mhz! Nvidia what have you done!!! A 1080 could be much faster with the same shader count if this card had a 384bit memory controller. With a 256bit memory controller is GDDR5 enough......

 

Search for nvwgf2umx.dll and disable it to see if IL-2 and other games run much better? Sometimes playing with .dlls help to change the performance......

[HunDread]

I think the problems comes because Nvidia had the glory idea to spend the 1080 XGDDR5. Why? This XGDDR5 use a 16n Prefetch the exactly speed that this VRAM run is 5000 Mhz / 16 =  312,50 Mhz! Nvidia what have you done!!! A 1080 could be much faster with the same shader count if this card had a 384bit memory controller. With a 256bit memory controller is GDDR5 enough......

 

Search for nvwgf2umx.dll and disable it to see if IL-2 and other games run much better? Sometimes playing with .dlls help to change the performance......

 

What do you mean by disable nvwgf2umx.dll

I found the file in here: C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_b07608b795ac4102

Do I just remove it from the folder?

 

Thanks

[216th_Jordan]

A 1070 worse than a 770?! how does that work? I thought about upgrading from a 2gb 770.. (definately too little vram)

Now I'm wondering a little about what to do.

[HunDread]

Probably NVIDIA needs to iron out their drivers first. I don't know.

I have just reinstalled the 770 and it is definately smoother.

The 1070 is much more powerful. I get 6000+ scores in furmark, while less than 3000 with the 770.

Still in BOS the FPS is around the same and it's not that smooth. It's like I have a huge lag with trackir movements and huge input lag for controllers as well.

Maybe the Win 10 anniversary update has something to do with this. NVIDIA released specific drivers for Win 10 Anniversary edition, but that does not help either.

Peobably I will try the 1070 after each NVIDIA driver releases and BOS updates until I get good performance and use the 770 till then.

[216th_Jordan]

It is known that the CPU is the most common bottleneck for Il-2. What is your cpu? maybe it has got something to do with that.

[Livai]

What do you mean by disable nvwgf2umx.dll

I found the file in here: C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_b07608b795ac4102

Do I just remove it from the folder?

 

Thanks

 

Just change the name from nvwgf2umx.dll to nvwgf2umx.dll_disable. This change disable the .dll. You can everytime remove _disable to enable this .dll again.   

[=LG=Wicher]

On the second thought ... Maybe the rx 480 will be better option than the 1060. Firstly is some cheaper, and what is most important, the rx 480 have better performance in dx 12 and vulcan games and dx 12 is future i guess and soon hopefully there will be more and more games with dx 12. So in long term ... about 3 years it will be more profitable to buy rx 480 than 1060. What do you think?

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

If you want RX 480 than go for non reference one, the reference models are small ovens (well, maybe not as much as 2xx series but still they are hot). In regard to Dx 12, there arent many games that us it now. There will be more in following years, but assumption that RX 480 will be good enough in three years is hard to support. Cards at this price end age like everything else and you might want to replace it in those three years. So far there are 4 games that use Vulkan, 9 that use Dx 12 and further 9 are on its way.

RX 480 is good, 1060 is in most cases currently better. But I'd not call any card in that price range future-proof when technologies change in a matter of 1-2 years and often there are 2 generations of GPUs already ahead.

[=LG=Wicher]

I'm checking internet stores everyday but for know there is no shop where I can buy non reference model of Rx 480 (in Poland). Anyway my rig is 3 years old so I will have to buy new computer in about 3 years anyway. The question is which graphic card to chose for those 3 years

[HunDread]

It is known that the CPU is the most common bottleneck for Il-2. What is your cpu? maybe it has got something to do with that.

 

I have a 4790k at 4.5 GHz. I believe it should be enough for any GPU.

Just change the name from nvwgf2umx.dll to nvwgf2umx.dll_disable. This change disable the .dll. You can everytime remove _disable to enable this .dll again. 

 

Thanks. I'll try the next time I install the 1070.

[216th_Jordan]

I have a 4790k at 4.5 GHz. I believe it should be enough for any GPU.

 

Thanks. I'll try the next time I install the 1070.

 

 

Did that solve it for you? Got a 1070 too and frames around 30-40 on airfields (had more with my 770 2gb).

 

Just checked, GPU and CPU usage never exceed 80% (on one of the four cores) while running the game.

Edited August 27, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[216th_Xenos]

Did that solve it for you? Got a 1070 too and frames around 30-40 on airfields (had more with my 770 2gb).

 

Just checked, GPU and CPU usage never exceed 80% (on one of the four cores) while running the game.

I'm running 1070 with an i5 4460 and getting around the same frames as you. CPU never goes past 63% usage.

[HunDread]

Did that solve it for you? Got a 1070 too and frames around 30-40 on airfields (had more with my 770 2gb).

 

Just checked, GPU and CPU usage never exceed 80% (on one of the four cores) while running the game.

In the end I did not try it because the issues have sorted themselves.

At least I get the same performance as with the previous card. No lag. More precisely: no more lag than before.

I am still on the 368.81 drivers.