Dunkirk!!!

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

[kestrel79]

awesome!

[Feathered_IV]

Looking forward to it. At least two Mk.I Spitfires have been painted up in the relevant squadron markings and are taking part in the filming over France. The 109's are Buchons though.

[TheBlackPenguin]

It is worth watching watching this:

 

 

And as I am originally from Leigh:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60445511@N05/9741076514

[9./JG27golani79]

Looking good and it gave me the goosbumps at the end when the Jericho Trumpet got closer and closer.

[Feathered_IV]

Cheers BP, I've watched that documentary-drama  several times and it's always compelling.

[TheBlackPenguin]

Cheers BP, I've watched that documentary-drama  several times and it's always compelling.

 

One thing to keep in mind, the accents they use for Leigh-on-Sea are completely wrong . What they use now is what we here now, which basically started happening in the 70's when the East End accent started to spread.

[352nd_Wheels]

They were working their behinds off for several weeks to get the Buchon owned by Planes of Fame flyable for this movie but unfortunately were not able to get it finished before the aerial scenes were going to be filmed.

 

 

Wheels

[Cybermat47]

Looking forward to it. At least two Mk.I Spitfires have been painted up in the relevant squadron markings and are taking part in the filming over France. The 109's are Buchons though.

Oh? I heard that they were using the last flyable 109 E-4 in the world?

[Feathered_IV]

Oh? I heard that they were using the last flyable 109 E-4 in the world?

 

Even better if they are.  I think it was Flypast or Aeroplane Monthly that mentioned the Buchons, but it would be so much better to see the aerial scenes filmed with the real Emils and MkIs facing each other.  I don't think that has ever been done before.

[Sokol1]

 

 

Is not a bit of director "creative liberty" this "yellow nose bastards" in Dunkirk?

Edited May 5, 2017 by Sokol1

[III./SG77S_Falke]

As much as I want to see this film as I am a fan of Christopher Nolan's artistry, I fear that the film will promote more of the myth of this event than the reality.  I am hoping that Nolan brings his usual excellence to portray this history more realistically than most film makers do.

 

Dunkirk in the minds of most people in the West has been built up into heroic proportions casting the beleaguered the BEF on the beaches of Dunkirk as being rescued by a flotilla of civilian fishing vessels. 

 

Though many such vessels did indeed take part in the rescue attempt, in reality they only were able to get out around 6000 troops (possibly up to 26,000) while the British Navy eventually got the overwhelming proportion of their troops to safety.  I believe somewhere in the range of 40,000 troops were left behind.

 

The real story behind Dunkirk is actually about the deceit of the British Military towards their French Allies who were desperately calling for their help while valorously engaging with the Wehrmacht to prevent being overrun.  British authorities kept promising the French they were on their way while withdrawing and letting the French take on the bulk of the conflict by themselves.

 

In fact, there is a very interesting scene in one of the trailers of this film that demonstrates how the British even refused evacuation of French troops who were fighting alongside the BEF at the time of the evacuation.  Historically, British authorities made it clear that the French were to be left behind until all British troops were safely aboard the rescue ships.

 

As one who has studied military history for most of his life I have a large and growing library of books devoted to the subject.  This includes probably the only definitive study (if there are others, I am not aware of them) on this event that uses "primary sources", which are the most accurate when doing historical research.

 

For those who are interested in reading this text it is entitled, "Dunkirk: The Patriotic Myth" by Nicholas Harman.  As far as I know it is still available on Amazon.com

[Sokol1]

 

 

In fact, there is a very interesting scene in one of the trailers of this film that demonstrates how the British even refused evacuation of French troops who were fighting alongside the BEF at the time of the evacuation.  Historically, British authorities made it clear that the French were to be left behind until all British troops were safely aboard the rescue ships.

 

 

Wiki (yes Wiki) say:

 

 

More than 100,000 evacuated French troops were quickly and efficiently shuttled to camps in various parts of south-western England, where they were temporarily lodged before being repatriated.^[103] 

British ships ferried French troops to Brest, Cherbourg, and other ports in Normandy and Brittany, although only about half of the repatriated troops were deployed against the Germans before the surrender of France.

For many French soldiers, the Dunkirk evacuation represented only a few weeks' delay before being killed or captured by the German army after their return to France.^[104] 

Of the French soldiers evacuated from France in June 1940, about 3,000 joined Charles de Gaulle's Free French army in Britain.^[105]

 

Edited May 5, 2017 by Sokol1

[III./SG77S_Falke]

@Sokol1

 

Wiki may be correct but I did not say that no French troops were evacuated but that British priorities were for their own troops first leaving those French troops in danger to fend for themselves until they were allowed to be evacuated.

 

However, I would not use any public forum as Wiki as a basis for historical research.  Most such forums are filled with inaccuracies on those subjects especially that are "hot button" issues politically.  This is especially true of WWII and the Israel\Palestinian issue where the West has maintained that the Allies (and Israel) were the "good guys" and still do to this day.  However, those historians who have studied the "primary sources", which are few compared to the mainstream historians, show a completely different view of the Allies. 

 

As a result of Internet technologies and smaller publishers these histories are slowly coming to the light of day.  For example, in WWII it was not Germany who began civilian bombings but Britain.  Hitler was attempting to do everything he could to prevent the British from bombing German civilian centers but to no avail.  He allowed the Luftwaffe to return the favor only after several months of refraining from doing so.

 

The British, murderous bombing campaign against Germany as such has been admitted to by the very people who initiated it in Britain in a book entitled, "Bombing Vindicated"...

 

I am very happy to see that these IL2 forums seem to have a greater acceptance of differing opinions than those in ROF where anyone who strays from the "party lines" is immediately and viciously denounced.

[Sokol1]

I read about - long time ago, in this old book (I know, their author can be wrong  ).

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51b3YdE22dL._SX315_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

 

https://www.amazon.com/France-Ballantines-Illustrated-History-Campaign/dp/0345018842/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0345018842&pd_rd_r=E8PBWPNV82D1WST92ZAC&pd_rd_w=ezR5h&pd_rd_wg=B5634&psc=1&refRID=E8PBWPNV82D1WST92ZAC

 

But for flight games forums "chit chat" Wiki is at hand to be used as reference. 

 

I find natural that RN priorities is evacuate British troops over other nationality, the repatriation of French man after show the futility of the effort. Politics.

 

Of course the Dunkirk movie will show the "heroism" of BEF "against all odds".

Edited May 6, 2017 by Sokol1

[III./SG77S_Falke]

I have one of the old Ballentine Books myself.  I believe it is about the Flying Tigers... 

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Nazi Germany maybe wasn't first to deliberately bomb civilians in Battle of Britain conflict but they didn't mind bombing and strafing civilians in Poland in 1939.

 

For example:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Wieluń