Livai Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 That sucks. I hope they fix it soon. We dont need more barriers to get new players. Something like this "who sows the wind will reap storm"
Brano Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 I see that map of operations on the steam site has errors in dates for Phase III and V. It seems to be using month/day/year format. Phase III has starting date 15/11/41.Should be 11/15/41 End date 04/12/41 should be 12/04/41 Phase V has end date 20/04/42.Should be 04/20/42 Just heads up for devs to correct
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 The Ju52 and Yak1B can be pre-ordered soon according to the update notes. They are premium I'd assume.
Danziger Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 The Yak will be a day one buy for me. The Ju-52 I probably wouldn't fly that much. I will buy it though because I want to make sure the Devs know people weren't whining so long for no reason. I love the Collector Planes idea and want to fully support it so they will keep it up and make other planes that we all want. 1
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Same here. And I like the name change to 'collector' - seems more accurate than 'premium'. Perhaps if the interest is there we could have some relevant 'collector' aircraft released independent of their strict historical context for use in dogfight servers or in sandbox-type missions or events. By which I mean things like Spitfires/Hurricanes/MC 200s/P-38s/P-39s etc. even if a full game, map, and SP campaign package is not ready for them yet. "Collector planes" sound much better, I agree on that. It would be awesome to see the Fw-189 and add recon to IL-2. Maybe not too hard since recon missions exist in RoF Edited August 10, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack 1
Dutchvdm Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 I would the see the Hs-123 as collectors aircraft. Although the Fw-189 is nice to. I think the mainstream models like p-39 should be added as standard aircraft. Grt M
Juri_JS Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 It would be awesome to see the Fw-189 and add recon to IL-2. Maybe not too hard since recon missions exist in RoF Yes the Fw-189 would be great. How exactly do photo recon missions work in RoF? Do you really operate a camera or are you just flying over an area and the photos are taken automatically?
SYN_Haashashin Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 How exactly do photo recon missions work in RoF? Do you really operate a camera or are you just flying over an area and the photos are taken automatically? A very clever community member made a group and share it, for MP that is. Basically, its the same as in SP RoF as far as I know (really only used while building MP missions). You select the plane with the camera on, as a loadout, fly to the target and a camera button graphic show up in the left top corner. Then you click on it to take the pics, with its reloaded time, untill you got them all, If I recall correct you need like 2 or 3 legs into the circuir to take 10 pics. Also you need to be flying mostly level for the camera to show up.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Yes the Fw-189 would be great. How exactly do photo recon missions work in RoF? Do you really operate a camera or are you just flying over an area and the photos are taken automatically? \You have to press camera button - when cam icon appears - in the right area. Artillery fire correction missions are also fun for a change.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Same here. And I like the name change to 'collector' - seems more accurate than 'premium'. Perhaps if the interest is there we could have some relevant 'collector' aircraft released independent of their strict historical context for use in dogfight servers or in sandbox-type missions or events. By which I mean things like Spitfires/Hurricanes/MC 200s/P-38s/P-39s etc. even if a full game, map, and SP campaign package is not ready for them yet. Call me weird but I'd want all of the AC you've listed in an AC/maps/campaign/theater as opposed to single purchases. Collector AC should be theater appropriate to fill out existing maps. Just a different perspective. Please do not visit violence upon me.
=CFC=Conky Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) \ You have to press camera button - when cam icon appears - in the right area. Artillery fire correction missions are also fun for a change. Not only that, you have to be at a certain minimum altitude, in RoF's case, 2000m, and take your altitude into account when taking the pictures. The higher you are, the longer you have to wait between shots, and you have a limited number of those. It's actually a pretty cool system. Edited August 10, 2016 by CFC_Conky
[CPT]milopugdog Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Jump on the Fw-189 bandwagon, everyone! Peer pressure the devs into making it!
DD_Arthur Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Seem to be downloading a 103.3mb hot fix here.
=CFC=Conky Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Oh, I forgot to mention that one of the huge drawbacks of doing recon missions in RoF is the lack of points awarded for a successful run, online. On some of the online maps such as Wargrounds, you can eventually unlock some additional aircraft but it would be nice and would encourage others to fly recon. Edited August 10, 2016 by CFC_Conky
SYN_Haashashin Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Not only that, you have to be at a certain minimum altitude, in RoF's case, 2000m, and take your altitude into account when taking the pictures. The higher you are, the longer you have to wait between shots, and you have a limited number of those. It's actually a pretty cool system. I totally forgot about that feature
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 10, 2016 1CGS Posted August 10, 2016 Not only that, you have to be at a certain minimum altitude, in RoF's case, 2000m, and take your altitude into account when taking the pictures. The higher you are, the longer you have to wait between shots, and you have a limited number of those. It's actually a pretty cool system. Yep, it's implemented very well - definitely not a "fly in the general vicinity of the target and just spam the camera button repeatedly" sort of job.
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Not only that, you have to be at a certain minimum altitude, in RoF's case, 2000m, and take your altitude into account when taking the pictures. The higher you are, the longer you have to wait between shots, and you have a limited number of those. It's actually a pretty cool system. Actually it depends how it was setup by mission maker :-) BTW if lower then camera icon wont show up. And also higher alt = less photos to cover same area. Oh, I forgot to mention that one of the huge drawbacks of doing recon missions in RoF is the lack of points awarded for a successful run, online. On some of the online maps such as Wargrounds, you can eventually unlock some additional aircraft but it would be nice and would encourage others to fly recon. Yes! I hope with Ju 87 they will come with something to reward other types of gameplay. They learned hard lesson from ROF community.
Dutchvdm Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Yep, it's implemented very well - definitely not a "fly in the general vicinity of the target and just spam the camera button repeatedly" sort of job. I think most mission types are well designed for ROF. The visual recon (spotting) and arty spotting missions are nice as well. Even a career as bomber gives you enough variety to make it enjoyable. All in all i still miss this in Il-2. The current campaign doesn't give the immersion that ROF did. Luckily we have PWCG. Grt M 1
Juri_JS Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 I've already experimented with photo recon and artillery spotting missions in BoS, but it's all very simplified. Overflying an area will just trigger an event, for example an artillery barrage.Having the mechanisms from RoF in BoS, together with a recon/spotter plane like the Fw-189 would be great. Moreover the Fw-189 was also used as light bomber and night fighter in the east, so this could be a very interesting addition to the game. 2
Mac_Messer Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Dx11 and new sounds are good news. Other than that I`m somewhat torn apart. VVS gets a Messer killer, LW gets a flying target. Should be at least a ground attack plane or other interesting variant of already implemented plane. A good side of this is that maybe implementing Ju52 means that devs are being serious with applying proper coop mode into the game, which for me is a potential milestone that has to be made with the game in order to progress even further. I am however happy for those Tante pilots...whole 5 of them.
No601_Swallow Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) Dx11 and new sounds are good news. Other than that I`m somewhat torn apart. VVS gets a Messer killer, LW gets a flying target. Should be at least a ground attack plane or other interesting variant of already implemented plane. A good side of this is that maybe implementing Ju52 means that devs are being serious with applying proper coop mode into the game, which for me is a potential milestone that has to be made with the game in order to progress even further. I am however happy for those Tante pilots...whole 5 of them. ..........whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee............. For goodness' sake, coops are absolutely possible in BoS - and, I might add, a hell of a lot easier to design and run than in CloD. So I'm mystified by your "milestone"! And, by the way, I'm willing to bet there's a whole lot of people who love iconic WWII aircraft and can't wait to fly the Ju52. CloD has the Blenheim, so do you consider the Blenheim a waste of code? My squadron did several missions doing Blenheim raids on channel ports, and they were fantastic experiences. I do hate it when people assume the less thoroughbred the less interesting or exciting to fly. Narrowminded, Edited August 11, 2016 by No601_Swallow
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Dx11 and new sounds are good news. Other than that I`m somewhat torn apart. VVS gets a Messer killer, LW gets a flying target. Should be at least a ground attack plane or other interesting variant of already implemented plane. A good side of this is that maybe implementing Ju52 means that devs are being serious with applying proper coop mode into the game, which for me is a potential milestone that has to be made with the game in order to progress even further. I am however happy for those Tante pilots...whole 5 of them. I see a lot more support of the Ju-52 than any other collector plane so far. Also it wont be a flying target. It will most likely introduce new missions in multiplayer where the germans win the game by doing transport missions.
xvii-Dietrich Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Other than that I`m somewhat torn apart. VVS gets a Messer killer, LW gets a flying target. Should be at least a ground attack plane or other interesting variant of already implemented plane. There are already thee LW aircraft for ground attack (Ju87, Ju88, Bf110... and four, if you count the Fw190), each with their own characteristics and style. There's no really need at the moment for another ground attacker, when other roles are totally absent. The introduction of the Ju52 is a good move, indicating that the series is becoming richer offering more variety and potential to the missions. Transport, paratroops, supplies and cargo are one thing, but it also gives the fighters new roles in escort duties and protective caps over the supply areas, thus increasing potential for those pilots too. I too would not be surprised if the Ju52 is the most popular of the "collectors' aircraft".
Mac_Messer Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I do hate it when people assume the less thoroughbred the less interesting or exciting to fly. Narrowminded, Keep your petty insults for yourself and just wait and see what I wrote happening. There are already thee LW aircraft for ground attack (Ju87, Ju88, Bf110... and four, if you count the Fw190), each with their own characteristics and style. There's no really need at the moment for another ground attacker, when other roles are totally absent. The introduction of the Ju52 is a good move, indicating that the series is becoming richer offering more variety and potential to the missions. Transport, paratroops, supplies and cargo are one thing, but it also gives the fighters new roles in escort duties and protective caps over the supply areas, thus increasing potential for those pilots too. I too would not be surprised if the Ju52 is the most popular of the "collectors' aircraft". I don`t mind you wanting to be flying 20minutes just to be shot down. It is your idea of fun. Also, if you`d be so kind and point me towards devs quote which stricly says that Tante will not just be a cockpit but all those things it needs to be even remotely relevant in mp. Sure you can buy it and how histeric the fanboys are about that plane at the moment. But the reality is it will not be widely used by human players.
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Do you guys really think current machine guns sound are great? I think current German machine guns (like MG15, MG81)sounds are horrible, such high fire rate weapons should sounds like electrical saw instead of BAR.
Feathered_IV Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I see a lot more support of the Ju-52 than any other collector plane so far. Also it wont be a flying target. It will most likely introduce new missions in multiplayer where the germans win the game by doing transport missions. My serious concern is that the Devs will just drop the Ju-52 into the game with no accompanying gameplay mechanics to make it worthwhile. Then they will scratch their heads and wonder why a token effort only generated token sales, blame the community and we never see another aircraft of character and substance ever again.
Jason_Williams Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 My serious concern is that the Devs will just drop the Ju-52 into the game with no accompanying gameplay mechanics to make it worthwhile. Then they will scratch their heads and wonder why a token effort only generated token sales, blame the community and we never see another aircraft of character and substance ever again. Excuse me?? No one has blamed the community for anything. Jason 5
ShamrockOneFive Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 10/10 for the new optimised map. It's a joy to use now; whoever sorted that out, get them a drink! Agreed! It's the small things that add up.
Jade_Monkey Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 My serious concern is that the Devs will just drop the Ju-52 into the game with no accompanying gameplay mechanics to make it worthwhile. Then they will scratch their heads and wonder why a token effort only generated token sales, blame the community and we never see another aircraft of character and substance ever again. You need to chill man. They just announced a sneak peek of the cockpit. Let's not jump into conclussions.
BraveSirRobin Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 My serious concern is that the Devs will just drop the Ju-52 into the game with no accompanying gameplay mechanics to make it worthwhile. Then they will scratch their heads and wonder why a token effort only generated token sales, blame the community and we never see another aircraft of character and substance ever again. Character and substance? It's a truck with wings. But it's great that you've already figured out how to blame someone else if the aircraft that you championed is a failure.
Feathered_IV Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Excuse me?? No one has blamed the community for anything. Jason Sorry Jason, wrong choice of words. Please accept my apologies and delete my post if you have time. I've probably banged on about the importance of game mechanics and player reward enough already.
GrendelsDad Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I was thinking...if they can model 3 engines why not four in the future?
Dakpilot Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I was thinking...if they can model 3 engines why not four in the future? There is already four engined aircraft present in Game engine However I would imagine the amount of work for any WW2 four engine aircraft is considerable, plus performance considerations of amount of AI crew Cheers Dakpilot 1
xvii-Dietrich Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I don`t mind you wanting to be flying 20minutes just to be shot down. It is your idea of fun. Also, if you`d be so kind and point me towards devs quote which stricly says that Tante will not just be a cockpit but all those things it needs to be even remotely relevant in mp. Sure you can buy it and how histeric the fanboys are about that plane at the moment. But the reality is it will not be widely used by human players. Use of the Ju52 will not dominate the sim. But it will add richness to the sim, broadening the community, creating immersion and adding variety to the mission types. And once an aircraft is available, the relevance comes from the mission builders, not the developers. Cross ref: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/22898-how-much-would-you-pay-flyable-ju-52/?p=365279 1
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 My serious concern is that the Devs will just drop the Ju-52 into the game with no accompanying gameplay mechanics to make it worthwhile. Then they will scratch their heads and wonder why a token effort only generated token sales, blame the community and we never see another aircraft of character and substance ever again. I get your concern but its not the time to mention such thing yet. We literally know nothing about it except that we will be able to fly it. Either way, I still think the mission designers will put her to good use 1
Feathered_IV Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I get your concern but its not the time to mention such thing yet. We literally know nothing about it except that we will be able to fly it. Either way, I still think the mission designers will put her to good use You're completely right. I need to cool my jets a bit and look forward to what is coming and stop getting worked up over things that may never be. A PM apology is on its way to you too Jason. I hope it finds you and the team well.
Danziger Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Whew now that all of that is over... I can't wait for today's DD announcing our next battle and the release of the new Yak and Ju-52! 2
I./JG1_Deschain Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Whew now that all of that is over... I can't wait for today's DD announcing our next battle and the release of the new Yak and Ju-52! :D nice dream
LLv24_Zami Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 10/10 for the new optimised map. It's a joy to use now; whoever sorted that out, get them a drink! +1Campaign map is very smooth and much more clear to read now.
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