Developer Diary, Part 129 - Discussion

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I've been pretty abrasive all week. I was trying to be marginally tactful.

[Danziger]

Anybody know what the loadout options should be for the new Yak?

[ShamrockOneFive]

Anybody know what the loadout options should be for the new Yak?

 

The default is the single ShVAK 20mm cannon hub mounted and a single UBS 12.7mm heavy machine gun on the left side.

 

As for unlocks... 2x50kg bombs on the wings is probably an option. A very small number may have been armed with up to 6 RS-82 rockets too. The Yak's were pretty optionless compared to many of the other types. They were designed to do one thing really well and everything else was secondary.

[Brano]

About bombs:

Bomb fittings BI-42 (1 per each side of the wing) were installed from 5.series till 126.series.

Inbetween 126.-148.series,bomb fittings were not installed due to ongoing weight reduction activities

They were reintroduced from 148.series till the end of serial production at Saratov plant = 192.series

Bombload = FAB general purpose bombs from 25kg to 100kg per fitting

Bombs could be released only in pairs by pulling lever on the left side of cockpit (placed instead former forsazh lever)

Alltogether 7509 Yak-1 with bomb fittings were produced.

In reality,bomb fittings were removed by field units on many occasions. Yaks with FAB-100 bombs became sluggish and speed was reduced by 30km/h + climb rate also suffered.On the other hand yak pilots were encouraged by high command to fly with bombs. 2 combat flights with bombs counted as 3 without + there was extra financial reward.

 

About rockets:

RO-82 racks (3 RS-82 rockets per rack) were installed inbetween Oct.1941 (43.series) till May 1942 (65.series). Problem with decrease in performance was the same as with bombs. Pilots were in general quite OK with RS-82 rockets. Some used them with limited success against bombers. At the end it was NKAP that issued an order to stop installment of RO-82 launchers for Yak-1 from 12.5.1942. From 20.5.1942 simmilar order cancelled rocket launchers for Yak-7 and LaGG-3 fighters.

Alltogether 1148 Yak-1s were produced with rocket launchers.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Brano

[xvii-Dietrich]

And I just finished my TWIN throttle... Doh! ;-)

 

Nice.

 

The Ju 52 seems a perfect use of the 6-lever CH-products throttle-quadrant.

[GrendelsDad]

So...what should we have control over...rpm? Mixture? Engine cowlings? Rads?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

So...what should we have control over...rpm? Mixture? Engine cowlings? Rads?

Going by the manual it should have

 

- cowl flaps

- oil radiator

- throttle

- altitude throttle ("Höhengas" - used from 900m up to correct for RPM drop similar to mixture controll)

Edited August 1, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[CZEforzamike]

I do not want to be ungrateful, I am glad for every new aircraft! But to be honest I was expecting a new type of aircraft.

 

We have 5x type of BF 109, 2x type of Yak, 2x IL2... Personally, I prefer more types of various aircraft than five kinds of BF 109 and Yaks.

Of course i am looking forward to new type of Yak, but I'd pay anything for ME 262 / Fieseler Fi 156 / Fokker D.XXI / P - 39 Aircobra / Polikarpov I-15 / B-25 Mitchell / Hawker Hurricane... ETC...

The most what I missing is a slower plane with great acrobatic skills, just for enjoying fly (like I-15)

But i understand that i am maybe alone with this feelings.
Maybe the time is the cure 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I do not want to be ungrateful, I am glad for every new aircraft! But to be honest I was expecting a new type of aircraft.

 

We have 5x type of BF 109, 2x type of Yak, 2x IL2... Personally, I prefer more types of various aircraft than five kinds of BF 109 and Yaks.

Of course i am looking forward to new type of Yak, but I'd pay anything for ME 262 / Fieseler Fi 156 / Fokker D.XXI / P - 39 Aircobra / Polikarpov I-15 / B-25 Mitchell / Hawker Hurricane... ETC...

The most what I missing is a slower plane with great acrobatic skills, just for enjoying fly (like I-15)

 

But i understand that i am maybe alone with this feelings.

Maybe the time is the cure 

 

This is the realities of nearly all of the fronts in WWII. In the Pacific if you're a Japanese Naval pilot then you conceivably could spend the whole war flying a A6M Zero version without transitioning to any other type. In the East Front things tended to form along the LaGG-3/La-5/La-7 line and the Yak-1/7/9/3 line (ordering deliberate) and the same with the Bf109 and FW190 types. It was rare (although not unheard of) for pilots and squadrons to continue to operate their traditional types as improvements were made along the way (FW190A-3 through A-9 or D-9 even).

 

So if we jump forward from Stalingrad by six months. The aircraft line absolutely changes but there are going to be a good number of familiar types. The aircraft set should be smartly arranged and diversity should be prized but it should absolutely be dictated by the history.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I do not want to be ungrateful, I am glad for every new aircraft! But to be honest I was expecting a new type of aircraft.

 

We have 5x type of BF 109, 2x type of Yak, 2x IL2... Personally, I prefer more types of various aircraft than five kinds of BF 109 and Yaks.

Of course i am looking forward to new type of Yak, but I'd pay anything for ME 262 / Fieseler Fi 156 / Fokker D.XXI / P - 39 Aircobra / Polikarpov I-15 / B-25 Mitchell / Hawker Hurricane... ETC...

The most what I missing is a slower plane with great acrobatic skills, just for enjoying fly (like I-15)

 

But i understand that i am maybe alone with this feelings.

Maybe the time is the cure 

We are getting the Ju-52. A slow and not so acrobatic but different 

Edited August 1, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Of course i am looking forward to new type of Yak, but I'd pay anything for ME 262 / Fieseler Fi 156 / Fokker D.XXI / P - 39 Aircobra / Polikarpov I-15 / B-25 Mitchell / Hawker Hurricane... ETC...

The difference between the Ju-52 and Yak and the types you mention is that they already got the foundation layed out for them and a theatre they fit in. There couldn't possibly be anything as unreasonable as adding a Me-262 to a 1943 planeset.

 

It also has been sayed that they're deciding on a new expansion which will include new fighters and bombers with an appropiate theatre for everyone.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

"It also has been sayed that they're deciding on a new expansion which will include new fighters and bombers with an appropiate theatre for everyone."

 

I haven't seen it quoted like that. Not trying to be overly argumentative but the new theater may just be late Eastern Front. It would include a couple of new AC but unless there is considerable lend lease that would mostly be upgrades to the exsisting set. Here's hoping we get a new stamp in our passports and visit other lands for the next installment.

[Brano]

IMO there are two reasons Yak-1b has been chosen.

1. historical context= it appeared at late stage of Stalingrad and can be used freely in any 43/44 scenario.

2. time needed to make it is probably lower then doing smtg from scratch. Many parts of 3d model might be recycled from Yak-1 69.s and FM/DM as well.

I understand this choice as compromise/intermediate plane. We could get early LaGGs and Yaks in similar way to add to BoM. And later Fw-190 and messer for future scenarios.

Edit:

Maybe a 3rd reason = to check if such planes would be interesting for players to buy as separate purchase. LW doesn't have much in the line then Anton 4,5..8 aand Gustavs 4,6,10,14

Edited August 1, 2016 by Brano

[ShamrockOneFive]

We are getting the Ju-52. A slow and not so acrobatic but different 

 

I want to see the first Ju-52 aerobatic video complete with wingtip smoketrails

 

Who will do this video?

[Jade_Monkey]

Also remember that apart from the next BOX, there are two additional maps on the works, so the yak and Ju52 may have been chosen yo fit them too.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I want to see the first Ju-52 aerobatic video complete with wingtip smoketrails

 

Who will do this video?

No one could pull this off other than Dr Zeebra. The guantlet has been thrown!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I'll be honest here, though, I don't really want to see smoke in MP. It was something of a distraction in the old '46. It's all good on training servers, aerobatic servers and SP. Just don't want it on the combat MP side of things. I hope it is a server side decision.

[216th_Peterla]

Nice additions and work going on. Love it.

I guess this new approach is little experimental to see how's going..

S!

Edited August 3, 2016 by 216th_Peterla

[ShamrockOneFive]

No one could pull this off other than Dr Zeebra. The guantlet has been thrown!

 

It has to happen now! 

 

I'll be honest here, though, I don't really want to see smoke in MP. It was something of a distraction in the old '46. It's all good on training servers, aerobatic servers and SP. Just don't want it on the combat MP side of things. I hope it is a server side decision.

 

I'm hoping it's a modification that can be easily locked by the server/mission designer. If you allow it then you just equip the unlock and control it and if its not allowed then you'll never see it. That way you can have aerobatics teams do multiplayer aerobatic goodness and serious servers will never see the smoke trails ever.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I'll be honest here, though, I don't really want to see smoke in MP. It was something of a distraction in the old '46. It's all good on training servers, aerobatic servers and SP. Just don't want it on the combat MP side of things. I hope it is a server side decision.

Agreed. It instantly reminded me of people who fly with smoke on in WT to lure people to them.

[707shap_Srbin]

 In the East Front things tended to form along the LaGG-3/La-5/La-7 line and the Yak-1/7/9/3 line (ordering deliberate) and the same with the Bf109 and FW190 types. 

 

Some examples.

Equipment of top Soviet fighter regiments.

P.S. The scale of lend-lease is clearly visible

Edited August 1, 2016 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Also remember that apart from the next BOX, there are two additional maps on the works, so the yak and Ju52 may have been chosen yo fit them too.

 

 

Odessa is one, right?  What's the other?

[216th_Jordan]

Odessa is one, right?  What's the other?

 

Caucasus if I'm not mistaken.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Some examples.

Equipment of top Soviet fighter regiments.

VVS Top Guns 30 Best.jpg

P.S. The scale of lend-lease is clearly visible

 

Thats a good one. Its not comprehensive but amongst the top scoring units... Yak, LaGG, La, and a sprinkling of P-39/40/Hurricane. I don't know what people expect... in 1942 its the Bf109 and the FW190 a bit. In 1943 its the Bf109 and the FW190 in more equal measure. Rinse and repeat in 1944 and 1945. The same is pretty much the case for the Russians. Yes there are interesting aircraft out there too and I look forward to having them but as far as bread and butter front line stuff... it's all very similar with improvements along the way.

 

And... if I'm honest, those improvements are frequently like whole new aircraft when you get into the details. The La-7 directly descends from the LaGG-3 but that doesn't mean it isn't dramatically different enough to be very interesting.

[Danziger]

With the Murmansk, Crimea and Ossetia maps in the works I think most of us Eastern Front guys wouldn't mind a change of theatre for the next BoX as long as we can get some aircraft to fill out the Eastern Front set.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

no problem with the new Yak1b, allot of my squad mates have been crying for that one!!!

 

and as well as the JU52.. I want to para drop troops into a airfield!!!

[unreasonable]

Some examples.

Equipment of top Soviet fighter regiments.

VVS Top Guns 30 Best.jpg

P.S. The scale of lend-lease is clearly visible

 

Nice chart - good presentation and choice of level of detail.      

 

Your next mission, should you choose to accept it, is to provide the matching chart for the German JGs (by Gruppe, I would have thought).

[LLv34_Temuri]

"It also has been sayed that they're deciding on a new expansion which will include new fighters and bombers with an appropiate theatre for everyone."

 

I haven't seen it quoted like that. Not trying to be overly argumentative but the new theater may just be late Eastern Front. It would include a couple of new AC but unless there is considerable lend lease that would mostly be upgrades to the exsisting set. Here's hoping we get a new stamp in our passports and visit other lands for the next installment.

Gulf of Finland and Leningrad would be nice: Brewster B-239, G.50, Curtiss Hawk, Blenheim, Yak-9, Hurricane, Airacobra, SB-2. I'm of course biased, as I'm a Finn

[Irgendjemand]

So if we get the 1B and the Specs of Brano are somewhat accurate we now have a YAK 1 thats superior in any aspect but climbperformance to all german fighters at low alt (the one that matters in maps that have with no other but goals related to protecting and attacking groundtargets and a max viewdistance that requires you to fly low alt igf you want to see ANYTHING thats happening below you). The E7 is the only exception (its at best even when it comes to sustained turnrate) and another "victimplane" for the german side. That about the verdict that can be drawn right? Awesome! Really. How can you expect to raise sales this way? 

Fans of the german side get one slap to the face after another (Catchwords FW "Brickperformance" and "The Bar" just to mention two). And believe me. This is not only my opinion. I definately cant talk for everyone and thats totally fine. But i know the opinion of many many of the germanspeaking community. And most of them (the ones i know) have the same opinion and as it is right now i know hardly anyone there that owns BOM. And now you bring news like that and expect them to change their minds? IMHO - aint gonna happen!

 

Oh. Good news on VR and DX11. Maybe the latter will bring improvements to viewdistance and the limits for AI controlled units. Can only get better - right?

Edited August 2, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Cry me a river...

[StG2_Juuti]

Gulf of Finland and Leningrad would be nice: Brewster B-239, G.50, Curtiss Hawk, Blenheim, Yak-9, Hurricane, Airacobra, SB-2. I'm of course biased, as I'm a Finn

Don't wish a theatre, where you have in mind a RL 15 to 1 kill rate to your ( finnish) favour. This never happens in this game. Also finish planes would be victims, while history tells the opposite.

[Irgendjemand]

Cry me a river...

Rather "tell me a truth".

[LLv34_Temuri]

Don't wish a theatre, where you have in mind a RL 15 to 1 kill rate to your ( finnish) favour. This never happens in this game. Also finish planes would be victims, while history tells the opposite.

I don't have any kill rates in mind. I wish for the theatre, so that we can have the Finnish Gulf map missions running on the Virtualpilots server, like we do on the old Il-2 server.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

So if we get the 1B and the Specs of Brano are somewhat accurate we now have a YAK 1 thats superior in any aspect but climbperformance to all german fighters at low alt (the one that matters in maps that have with no other but goals related to protecting and attacking groundtargets and a max viewdistance that requires you to fly low alt igf you want to see ANYTHING thats happening below you). The E7 is the only exception (its at best even when it comes to sustained turnrate) and another "victimplane" for the german side. That about the verdict that can be drawn right? Awesome! Really. How can you expect to raise sales this way?

Fans of the german side get one slap to the face after another (Catchwords FW "Brickperformance" and "The Bar" just to mention two). And believe me. This is not only my opinion. I definately cant talk for everyone and thats totally fine. But i know the opinion of many many of the germanspeaking community. And most of them (the ones i know) have the same opinion and as it is right now i know hardly anyone there that owns BOM. And now you bring news like that and expect them to change their minds? IMHO - aint gonna happen!

 

Oh. Good news on VR and DX11. Maybe the latter will bring improvements to viewdistance and the limits for AI controlled units. Can only get better - right?

Whats the problem with russians having a plane that outpreforms the germans? I dont get it.

 

Also you say that the Fw-190 is incorrect. Why dont you send valuable info to the devs so they can fix it like they have done before and every PM I have sent, I've gotten a response and fix to the issues I have managed tp prove and show.

 

Theres a difference between opinions and facts mate

 

Thats better than whining here

Edited August 2, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[Yogiflight]

I am not flying online, but I, again and again, see the VVS side having problems to get enough players in many servers, so to me it seems to be not the worst idea to give them a better fighter, and as far as I read till now it doesn´t seem to get the "Überfighter", but just a bit better than the Yak, that is already in game.

[E69_geramos109]

Whats the problem with russians having a plane that outpreforms the germans? I dont get it.

 

 

Also you say that the Fw-190 is incorrect. Why dont you send valuable info to the devs so they can fix it like they have done before and every PM I have sent, I've gotten a response and fix to the issues I have managed tp prove and show.

 

Theres a difference between opinions and facts mate

 

Thats better than whining here

There is a large discusion about that on the forum where there are a lot of data about this with a real ingenier working in reconstruction of a 190 too.

No problem to have a better russian plane but we like to have the correct things about german planes.

About problem with the bar in the foke you can see a video prooving refraction of the glass and it still there so... there is other video of a real 190 with a gopro inside the cockpit and you can see very good the bar does not exist from inside the cockpit but it still there so.... i think devs have enought data to change that.

 

Actual rendering distance like a sphere makes us to fly lower to see something in the air and in the ground so this isue restrict a lot the way to fly for a german pilot so this affects russians giving them some advantage because germans have to close his good alitutude to see.

Edited August 2, 2016 by E69_geramos109

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

Game devs fortunately dont have Olympic commissions to watch for balance.... :D

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Devs have acknowledged the 190 Bar issue. Implementing refraction in the view as per what happens in real life with thick glass was stated as not feasible with the current game engine.

 

With the announcement of a dx11 upgrade, let's hope that it may have the graphical functions/features to implement the glass refraction without a huge framerate hit?

[DeafBee]

So if we get the 1B and the Specs of Brano are somewhat accurate we now have a YAK 1 thats superior in any aspect but climbperformance to all german fighters at low alt (the one that matters in maps that have with no other but goals related to protecting and attacking groundtargets and a max viewdistance that requires you to fly low alt igf you want to see ANYTHING thats happening below you). The E7 is the only exception (its at best even when it comes to sustained turnrate) and another "victimplane" for the german side. That about the verdict that can be drawn right? Awesome! Really. How can you expect to raise sales this way? 

Fans of the german side get one slap to the face after another (Catchwords FW "Brickperformance" and "The Bar" just to mention two). And believe me. This is not only my opinion. I definately cant talk for everyone and thats totally fine. But i know the opinion of many many of the germanspeaking community. And most of them (the ones i know) have the same opinion and as it is right now i know hardly anyone there that owns BOM. And now you bring news like that and expect them to change their minds? IMHO - aint gonna happen!

 

Oh. Good news on VR and DX11. Maybe the latter will bring improvements to viewdistance and the limits for AI controlled units. Can only get better - right?

 

So far it has basicly  been a shooting galllery for the Axis and the 109s can engage and disengage as they like. I really think you should try fly Russian, if you think you have a hard time on the Axis side.         

Edited August 2, 2016 by 19te.Deafbee

[A_radek]

So far it has basicly  been a shooting galllery for the Axis and the 109s can engage and disengage as they like. I really think you should try fly Russian, if you think you have a hard time on the Axis side.         

 

:D