Developer Diary, Part 129 - Discussion

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Will JU-52 have player mannable machine gun stations or AI mgs, or no mgs at all?

It will most likely be the Ju-52 model we already have ingame which has a turret. Maybe a modification to take it off but it it has a turret, I think we will be able to mann it. Its only 1 turret compared to many other planes with many turrets and all of them are mannable.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Wikipedia says this about Ju-52s specs

 

"Service ceiling: 3,400 m (11,150 ft)

Rate of climb: 2.30 m/s at sea level (450 ft/min) 8.6 min to 1,000 m (3,300 ft); 20.5 min to 2,000 m (6,600 ft)"

We must not forget that it was designed to meet the restrictions of the Treaty of Versaille, which (as far as I remember) prohibited Germany from building passenger aircrafts faster than 280km/h. I've read that by that time superiour types were in development but had to be scrapped because they simply performed better than the treaty allowed.

 

Also the Ju-52 was designed to have good STOL capebilities and handle rought airfields or even nature fields well. That's very important if you want an aircraft flexible enought to support your troop way up to the front lines where airfields in good condition are unlikely.

[216th_Jordan]

We must not forget that it was designed to meet the restrictions of the Treaty of Versaille, which (as far as I remember) prohibited Germany from building passenger aircrafts faster than 280km/h. I've read that by that time superiour types were in development but had to be scrapped because they simply performed better than the treaty allowed.

 

Also the Ju-52 was designed to have good STOL capebilities and handle rought airfields or even nature fields well. That's very important if you want an aircraft flexible enought to support your troop way up to the front lines where airfields in good condition are unlikely.

I don't know about the Impact of the treaty of Versaille on the design of the Ju 52, what you said might be true. But I was not negative towards this plane just tried to imagine climbing up to 1k in about 9 minutes

[Chief_Mouser]

Great news about the Ju52; like me, old and slow but still chugging along! Everything else announced looks like a step in the right direction as well.

Now, just to join in the noises bubbling under, an Li-2 for the VVS would be just the ticket. Of course depending on what scenario is coming next, a DC-3 just might be useful for it so it would do two birds with one stone.

Cheers.

 

Oh, of course, some loadouts (cargo, troops and maybe even a few paratroops?) for the Ju-52 please.

The cargo doesn't even have to be visible, just selectable for resupply missions.

[Dutchvdm]

Wikipedia says this about Ju-52s specs

 

"Service ceiling: 3,400 m (11,150 ft)

Rate of climb: 2.30 m/s at sea level (450 ft/min) 8.6 min to 1,000 m (3,300 ft); 20.5 min to 2,000 m (6,600 ft)"

Aren't those the single engine specs?

 

They are. The 3M LW model does 17 min to 3000 m. Still not great though.

 

Grt M

Edited July 29, 2016 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It's not like you're going to engage fighters. Personally, I hope that mission designers will be able now to put more emphasis on support and transport missions which should be a lot of fun with Ju-52. 

 

Other thing though, how different is Yak-1b in terms of performance from the 1942 Series 69 Yak-1 we currently have ?

[E69_geramos109]

I think is yak1b. But what kind of joke is this? a ju52 for the german side and yak1b for the russian? Al least put the G2 1.42 ata or something like that. Yak 1b was not important since 1943 yak9 was much more important.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I don't know about the Impact of the treaty of Versaille on the design of the Ju 52, what you said might be true. But I was not negative towards this plane just tried to imagine climbing up to 1k in about 9 minutes

You dont climb in the 52. Rather stay at tree top level

[Gunsmith86]

Great a Ju 52 !!! well done!!!

[E69_geramos109]

It's not like you're going to engage fighters. Personally, I hope that mission designers will be able now to put more emphasis on support and transport missions which should be a lot of fun with Ju-52. 

 

Other thing though, how different is Yak-1b in terms of performance from the 1942 Series 69 Yak-1 we currently have ?

Is like actual yak1 but better in speed so now you cant scape with a 109 or 190. Now they have more manoubrable plane and as fast too

If devs put the 1b in game La5 and the normal Yack will fall in to desuse. Now La5 was faster than the yak but with 1b is as fast and no advantage to use the la5. For the normal yak1 is not any advantage too with 1b so...

Edited July 29, 2016 by farineli

[NN_Elanion]

Bigs Thanks BOSS for the YAK  "panoramic"   

[ZachariasX]

 

 

Is like actual yak1 but better in speed so now you cant scape with a 109 or 190.

 

The only way to escape with our current 190 is to bail out :D

 

Seriously, I can't wait for both the Yak and the Tante Ju. I'm glad they made it flyable!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Forget specs, more aircraft means more fun! Right now it'll be dynamic - both sides will have aircraft that are fast, aircraft with good firepower, aircraft that climb well and so on.

 

A pack of Yak-1b and La-5 mowing through German opposition and hunting down Ju-52 through the trees... Dreamy!

[Trooper117]

Good stuff... Yak 1b (and yes it is the Yak 1b) plus the Ju52 will be pretty well supported I'm sure.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I think is yak1b. But what kind of joke is this? a ju52 for the german side and yak1b for the russian? Al least put the G2 1.42 ata or something like that. Yak 1b was not important since 1943 yak9 was much more important.

 

It is a Yak-1B and why do you think these are the only two either planned or under development? Seems like a bit of an odd assumption.

[Templer]

Ju 52? great, awesome!

But don't we need now an allied counterpart for balance?

[ShamrockOneFive]

Is like actual yak1 but better in speed so now you cant scape with a 109 or 190. Now they have more manoubrable plane and as fast too

If devs put the 1b in game La5 and the normal Yack will fall in to desuse. Now La5 was faster than the yak but with 1b is as fast and no advantage to use the la5. For the normal yak1 is not any advantage too with 1b so...

 

Performance differences between the 1 and 1B are actually fairly minimal. The view is better and the armament is better so objectively that does make for a better fighter but if the scenarios are at all being done in a historical way online then it will be no problem - it would only arrive at the end of the Stalingrad campaign.

Ju 52? great, awesome!

But don't we need now an allied counterpart for balance?

 

Load us up with an Li-2 :D

[E69_geramos109]

Performance differences between the 1 and 1B are actually fairly minimal. The view is better and the armament is better so objectively that does make for a better fighter but if the scenarios are at all being done in a historical way online then it will be no problem - it would only arrive at the end of the Stalingrad campaign.

 

 

Load us up with an Li-2 :D

No performance difference?? Jajaja.

It does not matter for me if they put historical performance but i want historical performance on 190 too and 1.42 ata 109 too. There is no problem with 1b is equal with german fighters, but for now we have a foke with a wrong fm taked from a version with more weight and the nerf version of G2 at 1.3 ata.

 

G2 1.42 has the same speed of 1b at low alts but now reds have faster planes and more manoubrable too. The last chance for a german plane with 1b is to stay at 5k waiting some idiot flying on this alt

Edited July 29, 2016 by farineli

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

No performance difference?? Jajaja.

It does not matter for me if they put historical performance but i want historical performance on 190 too and 1.42 ata 109 too. There is no problem with 1b is equal with german fighters, but for now we have a foke with a wrong fm taked from a version with more weight and the nerf version of G2 at 1.3 ata.

 

G2 1.42 has the same speed of 1b at low alts but now reds have faster planes and more manoubrable too. The last chance for a german plane with 1b is to stay at 5k waiting some idiot flying on this alt

 

The G-2 in the BOS timeframe was 1.3ata limited - nobody is getting or has been "nerfed."

[RoteDreizehn]

however, sentence and picture sounds a litte bit ironic, In this case sorry for that

 

>> if you don't like it it's your problem

oh no its nice , some stuff to shoot it down....

 

as I saw this mass of [Edited]. Happy paying then...

 

are you not able to read?...i mean really...TEARS OF JOY...I'm excited for the Ju-52. if you don't like it it's your problem, but don't pull me into your BS

Edited July 29, 2016 by Bearcat

[RoteDreizehn]

What do you want to transport? Can´t imagine that they will integrate Soldiers who fight on the ground, like Battlefield.

 

For mission design a AI JU52 will be enough, which are protected by multiplayer fighter. AI JU52´s can also land on destination airfield.

If you can protect the JU52´s you will reach the mission goal.

 

But its only my opinion. However we will see....

 

 

It'll be good for online wars to have a transport plane.

[150GCT_Veltro]

What do you want to transport? Can´t imagine that they will integrate Soldiers who fight on the ground, like Battlefield.

 

For mission design a AI JU52 will be enough, which are protected by multiplayer fighter. AI JU52´s can also land on destination airfield.

If you can protect the JU52´s you will reach the mission goal.

 

But its only my opinion. However we will see....

 

Online wars or tournaments, not only "arena" games.

Ju-52 will be a fantastic addition, for both the sides, for immersion and very difficult missions to fly during the strategic supply. Ju-52 pilots will have their work to do, and the escort pilots the responsability to take care of them.

[RoteDreizehn]

Oh okay. In this case lets hope the best

 

Online wars or tournaments, not only "arena" games.

Ju-52 will be a fantastic addition, for both the sides, for immersion and very difficult missions to fly during the strategic supply. Ju-52 pilots will have their work to do, and the escort pilots the responsability to take care of them.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Looking forward to hunting Tante Ju

 

...and escorting it too!

 

[JG4_Sputnik]

Im not sure if its the right move to make the Ju52.

 

Although I am a big Bomber fan and also like a good Transport plane such as the Ju52, but without click pit I feel this is a bit of a waste. Especially in VR. The fun flying a plane such as this is imho to proper manage the engines, navigate and basically "act" as you were in this time and era flying that plane.

 

BoS/BoM has a strong focus on dogfighting and does that exceptionally well. With its (yet) mediocre in-game map, no flight planning tools, and no click pit I find it hard to enjoy a plane like the Ju52 or even the Pe2 in such a "dogfighty" environment.

 

I'd really like to support the team with buying the Ju52 but I don't think it's the right move to just buy it and pretend I enjoy flying it when there are so many things that imo needed to be added for me to enjoying that plane. I hope the team will add some of those features (even though there will never be a click pit as far as we know), for I can spend my money happily for such beautiful plane.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Don't be narrow minded. The Ju52 fullfilled way more tasks than just cargo transport like MEDVAC from open fields near the frontline, staff ferry flights, auxillery bomber, parachute missions and maritime reconissence/transport (float version).

 

If sby decides not to fly it, fine, it's seperate content for a reason. Just let others enjoy the hard work devs put into it so they can continue development of future content that fits you preferrence.

[E69_geramos109]

The G-2 in the BOS timeframe was 1.3ata limited - nobody is getting or has been "nerfed."

There was a large post about this on the formum some time ago.

1.42 was abailable on stalingrad period. Not full abailable but there were.

As yak1b that was not important since 43 mid

[Monostripezebra]

Are we going to see a fix to the (since the last patch) bugged rearguns anytime soon? I´m really hoping it could be remedied fast...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally something to match the P-40's performance

 

it´s going to be interesting how the online play of the 52 will be and what people will do with her. For the stalingrad scenario, it really is an important plane. And it fits super great to the P40

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXZUzvP-6r4

[ST_ami7b5]

Good stuff... Yak 1b (and yes it is the Yak 1b) plus the Ju52 will be pretty well supported I'm sure.

Will buy both of them immediately when available

[LukeFF]

 

 

1.42 was abailable on stalingrad period. Not full abailable but there were.

As yak1b that was not important since 43 mid

 

 

Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Is like actual yak1 but better in speed so now you cant scape with a 109 or 190. Now they have more manoubrable plane and as fast too

 

If devs put the 1b in game La5 and the normal Yack will fall in to desuse. Now La5 was faster than the yak but with 1b is as fast and no advantage to use the la5. For the normal yak1 is not any advantage too with 1b so...

Haha LOL - together with uber MIG3 and P40 axies does not have chance !!

[Phantom-103]

Exciting times ahead for The IL*2 Franchise  You have my support.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Great news about the Ju52; like me, old and slow but still chugging along! Everything else announced looks like a step in the right direction as well.

Now, just to join in the noises bubbling under, an Li-2 for the VVS would be just the ticket. Of course depending on what scenario is coming next, a DC-3 just might be useful for it so it would do two birds with one stone.

Cheers.

 

Oh, of course, some loadouts (cargo, troops and maybe even a few paratroops?) for the Ju-52 please.

The cargo doesn't even have to be visible, just selectable for resupply missions.

Must be able to transport livestock. Goats will be an unlockable.

 

(Sorry, really old EA joke here.)

[ShamrockOneFive]

No performance difference?? Jajaja.

It does not matter for me if they put historical performance but i want historical performance on 190 too and 1.42 ata 109 too. There is no problem with 1b is equal with german fighters, but for now we have a foke with a wrong fm taked from a version with more weight and the nerf version of G2 at 1.3 ata.

 

G2 1.42 has the same speed of 1b at low alts but now reds have faster planes and more manoubrable too. The last chance for a german plane with 1b is to stay at 5k waiting some idiot flying on this alt

 

There are minimal performance differences between the Yak-1B and the earlier Yak-1 that we have. Both have the same engine, similar weights (the 1B may be a bit heavier from what I understand), and similar overall performance.

 

Suddenly you pivot to Luftwaffe aircraft performance which is a totally different topic.

[E69_geramos109]

There are minimal performance differences between the Yak-1B and the earlier Yak-1 that we have. Both have the same engine, similar weights (the 1B may be a bit heavier from what I understand), and similar overall performance.

 

Suddenly you pivot to Luftwaffe aircraft performance which is a totally different topic.

Has other engine klimov m105Pf. Normal Yak1 has the 105PA. You cant say that the DB605A is the same than DB605D.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Don't be narrow minded. The Ju52 fullfilled way more tasks than just cargo transport like MEDVAC from open fields near the frontline, staff ferry flights, auxillery bomber, parachute missions and maritime reconissence/transport (float version).

 

If sby decides not to fly it, fine, it's seperate content for a reason. Just let others enjoy the hard work devs put into it so they can continue development of future content that fits you preferrence.

 

Wow...

I don't see "not letting others enjoying the hard work the devs put in.." AT ALL. What the hell are you talking about?!

 

"staff ferry flights, auxillery bomber, parachute missions and maritime reconissence/transport (float version)." -> the "problem" remains the same; no dogfighting, engine management and navigation is what you do in a Ju52. Have you read my post at all?

 

I just say for me (yes 5tuka, FOR ME) it would make more sense to fly the Ju52 in a, let's say, more "sophisticated" environment, where you can plan your flight properly and manage your engine by klicking on buttons (especially in VR).

 

I'm afraid it won't sell enough and then the devs think "Oh, nobody wants a cargo plane, let's never make one again" whereas many people (like me) would love to buy and fly it but need more tools for enjoying it. And MAYBE those tools are going to be implemented... who knows?

 

Now these are ONLY MY THOUGHTS about the Ju52, hope I made that clear now even to you?

And now move on.

[E69_geramos109]

 

 

Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

I dont think so, the first series of the DB605A has the 1.42 ata. Were produced some numbers and then they realice that was some problems with oil system. They put 1.3 since they solve the problem but all 109 G2 produced with 1.42 were there. For example marseille died in 1942 in one of this units. His engine fail and he hits the tail when he jumps, but he fought a lot of combats with his 1.42 ata G2 an was quite superior to 1.3 one.

[JG13_opcode]

Has other engine klimov m105Pf. Normal Yak1 has the 105PA. You cant say that the DB605A is the same than DB605D.

True, but the difference is IIRC only about 50 horsepower.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

It doesnt matter what was the difference due to simple fact that there is none here: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?p=336140

Our Yak-1 Series 69 also has M-105PF which means there is no horsepower increase. 

 

Yak-1 series 69

Engine:

Model: M-105PF

Maximum power in Nominal mode at sea level: 1200 HP

Maximum power in Nominal mode at 800 m: 1260 HP

Maximum power in Nominal mode at 2700 m: 1200 HP

 

It's same unit. 

Thus I'm more interested in hearing someone who knows what changes were made to the airframe except for the armament and canopy, if compared to the one we have already. 

Edited July 29, 2016 by =LD=Hiromachi

[Brano]

Has other engine klimov m105Pf. Normal Yak1 has the 105PA. You cant say that the DB605A is the same than DB605D.

Both Yak-1 series 69 and Yak-1"b" or series 111 onwards has the same M-105PF engine.

+ if you are a fan of never-ending FM quarrels,do it in appropriate topic otherwise moderators will eat your lunch :D