Flyable Ju-52

[Boris_Grishenko]

it's simple for those who love this unique aircraft but find it sad to be the only one non-flyable just support this discussion and hope they update that.

[ShamrockOneFive]

So... this discussion has been pretty much done to death.

 

Pros:

- New flyable

- Different mission options

- Non-combat mission options

- Its an airplane and we like to fly those!

 

Cons:

- It will take development time similiar to the Pe-2

- It has somewhat limited use/interest and may not be worth the dev time for a small team

- It might be good to also then have an Li-2 on the Red side to balance it out

 

Since the Ju52 arrived we've talked about it a lot. I'm on the side of "if it has wings then I'm interested" but I can see myself not really getting much use out of the Ju52 and then moving back into the combat aircraft. Others will almost certainly get more use of it than I will but again its a limited use case. More mission types (paradrops, cargo runs, etc.) definitely add to the appeal in a multiplayer war game scenario but its a limited appeal. I hope they do something like the Ju52 (or the FW189) or something outside of the usual but I think that will probably come later.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Check the DD

[Jade_Monkey]

Ask and thou shall receive.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Check the DD

 

Ask and thou shall receive.

 

Well shiver me timbers

 

I'm actually a little shocked.

[Feathered_IV]

Great news.  If the game mechanics support transport missions and award points for success it will be a whole new area of expertise for players to enjoy.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Cons:

- It will take development time similiar to the Pe-2

Not really, unless you're talking about the announced "new game mechanics" which we don't know yet.

 

The Ju-52 has no external ordinance, 2 crew positions max (pilot & top gunner, later wasn't always pesent especially in winter) and is probably even better documented due to the large numbers produced and global use.

 

Also I'm sure it will be payware so I'm not expecting it to stop development of other content but rather support it (more so than tanks which were a free addon).

[Jade_Monkey]

I dont see a reason to believe it will be payware. No hints about that so far.

 

I wouldnt mind paying for it but i would think that they would set the expectations from the beginning if todays announced planes are going to be paid.

[Feathered_IV]

I'd be pleased to purchase it.  Han said they were "changing the way the content is represented".  Perhaps that means they will be offering different purchase options too. 

[Trooper117]

I'd buy it...

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

I'd buy it to support Devs before we have new expansion.

 

We need something similar for VVS. DC-3 (Li-2) perhaps.

Edited July 28, 2016 by 307_Banzai

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I dont see a reason to believe it will be payware. No hints about that so far.

Well they're now developing the engine to incooperate DX11 and VR support which by now has not been founded by the comunity and probably delays development of a new scenario, so it would be more than reasonable to release some seperate content to generate temporary income during this phase of development.

 

Also it wouldn't fit in any of the basic planesets we have because they're caped at 10 planes, which also counts for the Yak-1b (which really wouldn't make sense to include as a freeware). Considering that and the fact that quite a lot of people wished for more single addon payware aircraft I think my assumption is quite realistic. In any case it will be a welcome addition.

[E69_geramos109]

I hope they make it flyable in the future but i freffer for now that the devs focus on the actual problems in the game and i think there are a lot of more interesting planes to develop for BOS and BOM

[Jade_Monkey]

Well they're now developing the engine to incooperate DX11 and VR support which by now has not been founded by the comunity and probably delays development of a new scenario, so it would be more than reasonable to release some seperate content to generate temporary income during this phase of development.

 

Also it wouldn't fit in any of the basic planesets we have because they're caped at 10 planes, which also counts for the Yak-1b (which really wouldn't make sense to include as a freeware). Considering that and the fact that quite a lot of people wished for more single addon payware aircraft I think my assumption is quite realistic. In any case it will be a welcome addition.

Yes, that sounds reasonable.

[NN_RugbyGoth]

I hope they make it flyable in the future but i freffer for now that the devs focus on the actual problems in the game and i think there are a lot of more interesting planes to develop for BOS and BOM

They just released pics of the cockpit. It will be made flyable in a near future... They are also working on other problems, take a look at DD129 and DD120

[ShamrockOneFive]

Not really, unless you're talking about the announced "new game mechanics" which we don't know yet.

 

The Ju-52 has no external ordinance, 2 crew positions max (pilot & top gunner, later wasn't always pesent especially in winter) and is probably even better documented due to the large numbers produced and global use.

 

Also I'm sure it will be payware so I'm not expecting it to stop development of other content but rather support it (more so than tanks which were a free addon).

 

I'm thinking that it will (hopefully) have cargo and airborne troop options if they really want to get into the things that the Ju52 can do. Thus my comment.

 

Otherwise yeah I agree, it's not as complex otherwise.

 

I'm guessing payware too. A lot of people have said that they want it that way.

[Brano]

Feldpost,here I come! You all better start writing censored letters to your moms so I have cargo to deliver:D

Edited July 28, 2016 by Brano

[Jade_Monkey]

They will be paid according to Jason's comment.

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Good.

 

Hopefully more standalone planes will follow.

 

Lend-lease planes, Chaika...

[Quax]

Great news the famous Ju52 will be done !

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I dont see a reason to believe it will be payware. No hints about that so far.

 

I wouldnt mind paying for it but i would think that they would set the expectations from the beginning if todays announced planes are going to be paid.

They said that no price has been decided yet and hope we will show them that they did right by creating them and I guess this means many purchases  

[SAG]

I actually believe that this is a great way to support the developers (by buying standalone planes) because it would bring in resources that could get reinvested into more gamplay and planeset features alike. i'm all for the future of this sim, specially if VR becomes a real thing. can you imagine how well optimized the game will have to be in order to run VR smoothly? this would be an awesome thing even for people who dont want (or can) afford an OR or VIVE, it would make the hardware entry requirements much lower and make many people interested in BO/X.

 

i'm all for supporting the devs! and this is coming from a student that makes a bit over minimum wage in a south american country!

 

so keep it coming Devs! I love you! :D

[GrendelsDad]

I am in for sure. Looking forward to some missions. That cockpit looks amazing. I do believe some airliner guys may be interested in this plane. I will be going around spreading the word on other sim forum's as well.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I am in for sure. Looking forward to some missions. That cockpit looks amazing. I do believe some airliner guys may be interested in this plane. I will be going around spreading the word on other sim forum's as well.

They might be but remember the Ju-52 might be a transport plane but its still in combat and I think you will feel the "combat" more in a Ju-52 than in a Bf-109

[GrendelsDad]

So could this thing stay airborne if it only has 1 engine working?

[Feathered_IV]

Rest assured, a single engine will get you all the way to your crash site!

Edited July 29, 2016 by Feathered_IV

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

So could this thing stay airborne if it only has 1 engine working?

It barely stays airborne with 3 engines 

Edited July 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[HippyDruid]

I'd buy it...

 

I would too, but where is the damned buy-it-now button? 

 

I think this is a great move by the developers. Regardless of how people feel about non-combat aircraft in the game, wasted resources, "I want DX15,  blah, blah, blah.

It's just serves to prove, that the developers are listening to what people really want.

 

 

 

..and skywriting! 

Edited July 28, 2016 by HippyDruid

[GrendelsDad]

Lets say the center engine is without damage(other 2 are dead)...would this help glide the JU52 in with more control or not so much?  I would fly one of these on a SNBF no problem.  (as longs as JG52  were buzzing around above.)

Edited July 29, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[LLv34_Temuri]

I hope Ju-52 comes with Fallschirmjäger and parachute cargo combined with triggers for those two landing on a designated place.

[Dakpilot]

Original JU-52/1M as operated in Canada

 

 

After it was found to be underpowered and with 7 built it was redesigned with 3 engines as the JU-52/3M we are more familiar with

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Boris_Grishenko]

hmm I am actually rather surprised at the support this got literally 1 day after posting I'm actually rather shocked cheers guys!

[PatrickAWlson]

Lets say the center engine is without damage(other 2 are dead)...would this help glide the JU52 in with more control or not so much?  I would fly one of these on a SNBF no problem.  (as longs as JG52  were buzzing around above.)

 

Any power is better than no power.  Like Feathered said, it will give you a few extra moments and a bit more control to select your preferred crash site.

[Feathered_IV]

Yep, one engine will get you there right on time. 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

So about modifications. The gunner on the roof is 1 modification that we could see. Default being without and then the gunner would be optional. According to wikipedia the version we have ingame could not use floats or skis so I guess we wont see that either(would not be very useful anyway with the current theaters. 

Maybe another gunner inside like this pic shows(if they decide to model the entire cabin but I dont think so): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52#/media/File:MG-15_ammo_Ju-52.jpg

 

You guys have any more info about things that can be modifications? 

 

 

Btw interesting interview of a female Ju-52 pilot who flew the 52 in Stalingrad and many other places http://www.456fis.org/MOST_DANGEROU_MISSION_OF_WW-II.htm

She mentions that take-off was possible with only two engines and it was possible to maintain altitude with only 1 engine.

Edited July 29, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[StG77_Kondor]

 

 

Btw interesting interview of a female Ju-52 pilot who flew the 52 in Stalingrad and many other places http://www.456fis.org/MOST_DANGEROU_MISSION_OF_WW-II.htm

She mentions that take-off was possible with only two engines and it was possible to maintain altitude with only 1 engine.

 

Fictional character unfortunately. 

[Juri_JS]

You guys have any more info about things that can be modifications?

Some Ju-52 had an additional MG position above the cockpit. It was also possible to install MGs in the fuselage windows.

 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2016 by Juri_JS

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Fictional character unfortunately. 

Oh...

 

Some Ju-52 had an additional MG position above the cockpit. It was also possible to install MGs in the fuselage windows.

 

 

Yea the additional gunners seems like good modifications.

 

And if they implement cargo system then different loads like bombs but cargo instead.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Lets say the center engine is without damage(other 2 are dead)...would this help glide the JU52 in with more control or not so much?  I would fly one of these on a SNBF no problem.  (as longs as JG52  were buzzing around above.)

Depends on which engien is running. Loosing 1 engine (no matter which) was not a problem as it was designed to fly well on 2. Single engine flight however is only possible with the centered engine due to the large momentum any of the outer engines would create.

 

Incase of failure of the centerline + one outboard engien it would be better to turn off the running and perform a deadstick landing.

[Dakpilot]

Depends on which engien is running. Loosing 1 engine (no matter which) was not a problem as it was designed to fly well on 2. Single engine flight however is only possible with the centered engine due to the large momentum any of the outer engines would create.

 

Incase of failure of the centerline + one outboard engien it would be better to turn off the running and perform a deadstick landing.

 

Not entirely sure about that..

 

above is pictured single engine JU-52, it took off and flew although with disappointing performance

 

asymmetric flight would be limited by control authority, although the wing engines do have a slightly strange (helpful) thrust vector, this may be a factor  

 

perhaps someone has a manual/performance charts, they must be fairly common (easily available for purchase, Ju-52/licence built French AAC.1 Toucan and Spanish Casa 352 was manufactured until 1952

 

small site giving reasonable info of variants of JU-52's (MSFS)

 

http://www.ju52-3m.ch/about.htm

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited July 29, 2016 by Dakpilot