What if any Anti Cheat is there going to be?

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Hey all, I know that Clod had no anti cheat allowing you to use kegeteys to basically do what ever you wanted to your aircraft and it worked in MP with no consequences.  What Cheat protection is going to be implemented, and for that matter what is in RoF?  Maybe that s a good place to start.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Hooves

[FTC_Karaya]

I thought that CoD was "VAC" (valve anti cheat) protected and that if you were using any mods online you risked getting banned from the game entirely!?

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Clod was never VAC protected.  Can someone tell me what RoF uses?

Edited December 19, 2012 by Hooves

[Kling]

Well Hooves then you might want to contact some of the modders over at the CLOD forum for some FM modeling! That game still needs plenty of it! And im serious here!

With mods CLOD could be absolutely amazing!!!

Anyway this is the BOS forum. And I have to answer, i have no idea to your question....

[Sim]

RoF uses online model where you have an account and need to login. So if you get caught cheating - you risk loosing your account (and all your purchases). Also, there is that "Mods On" toggle, so I am sure your install is validated before you go online.

[machoo]

Well Hooves then you might want to contact some of the modders over at the CLOD forum for some FM modeling! That game still needs plenty of it! And im serious here!

With mods CLOD could be absolutely amazing!!!

Anyway this is the BOS forum. And I have to answer, i have no idea to your question....

 

It's nothing new , i've modified a BF109 to have the flight model of a Su-26. It owns.  Can't be bothered online though.  Like others said , you don't get as much cheating with paid subscriptions as it's your money wasted when you get caught.

Edited December 19, 2012 by machoo

[71st_AH_Hooves]

RoF uses online model where you have an account and need to login. So if you get caught cheating - you risk loosing your account (and all your purchases). Also, there is that "Mods On" toggle, so I am sure your install is validated before you go online.

I really hope its more than this.  "Don't cheat or Else".  "whilst that might discourage the average dude just mucking around, that is WAY to weak to combat a dedicated cheater which unfortunatIey, there are far to many of.  The IL2 community both 46 and Clod was littered with them.  I cant believe there is no actual Anti-Cheat software running.  Does Anyone know?  Devs?  

[Binky]

The closest thing to cheating I see people do in RoF is vulching, and that's a topic unto itself.   I've never seen the game compromised in that (cheats, hacked) fashion.  The crowd playing it for the most part is older than 30, which might have something to do with it.  There's two distinct ways to play it, with mods, which doesnt allow stat tracking on the servers, and with out mods, which does (or at least did).  You can't join a regular server with mods on.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Binky

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Right, Binky, and I totally agree with you.  I play RoF as well and I don't think people cheat.  But thats just it.  I don't think people do, but I have no idea if they do or not.  Im actually pretty surprised this has never come up before, I posted the same question at RoF after no one knew here and after several posts there, I still don't have a solid answer.

 

Im not on some crusade to boycott either product, Im just imagining a new shiny sim that alot of poeple will buy (not all upright Sim citizens as our selves) and Im getting that oh so bad feeling that always happens.  Hacker communities see new releases as a challenge and out put cheats from day one.  And there is always some azzhat that pays to DL it to either grief or get the edge on legit players.

 

 

 I am just hoping 777 has some line of defense other than "mods on".  I know its a sad commentary on todays gaming.  But it is a fact we have to face and battle.

[AndyJWest]

The only real facts we have to go on are ( a ) that there is no obvious verifiable evidence of hacks on RoF, and ( b ) we don't know what they are going to do for BoS - and there is a great deal to be said for not letting people know the details anyway. You seem to be worrying about a hypothetical scenario, long before it matters.

Edited December 19, 2012 by AndyJWest

[ATAG_Slipstream]

I never worry about it. If people are cheating, sucks to be them.

[falstaff]

You couldn't have put it any better

[Zmaj76]

ROF is using master server and I think cheating is impossible as it has mods on mode and mods off mode which is checked every time you log in...

Edited December 19, 2012 by Tvrdi

[4./JG53_Wotan]

It's nothing new , i've modified a BF109 to have the flight model of a Su-26. It owns. Can't be bothered online though.

Its been done on line as well - there is nothing in CloD to prevent that.

 

 

[Jetlagg]

You can log in online with mods on, you just won't be able to play multiplayer or at least on must servers, some servers allow mods but these are the underwhelming minority.

[gavagai]

The only real facts we have to go on are ( a ) that there is no obvious verifiable evidence of hacks on RoF, and ( b ) we don't know what they are going to do for BoS - and there is a great deal to be said for not letting people know the details anyway. You seem to be worrying about a hypothetical scenario, long before it matters.

 

Exactly.  Not a single confirmed instance of cheating in Rise of Flight.  For that matter, I can count the number of cheating accusations on one hand since 2009, and all of them were silly.  The online requirement does wonders for protecting the integrity of the sim.

[boot_Hardy]

I really hope its more than this.  "Don't cheat or Else".  "whilst that might discourage the average dude just mucking around, that is WAY to weak to combat a dedicated cheater which unfortunatIey, there are far to many of.  The IL2 community both 46 and Clod was littered with them. 

 

Hello Hooves, I spent considerable time online in 1946 and in CloD and I don't think I ever got the impression like yourself - there were some Squads banned from 1946 and even now there is some odd guy banned for cheating every now and then, but hey that sim has been hacked. I don't think I came across any cheating in CloD on ATAG or SoW server and even Russian airspawn servers like Repka 4 are OK in this matter. Could you please specify where exactly you encountered cheaters in CloD and why do you say the sim is littered with them?

 

I agree that RoF has got better protection and if the VAC is really non-existent I agree this should be addressed in next sim. 

[AndyJWest]

Probably best to stay on topic here - and whatever problems there may or may not have been with CloD, it isn't likely to be directly relevant to BoS.

[gavagai]

I agree that RoF has got better protection and if the VAC is really non-existent I agree this should be addressed in next sim. 

 

Why?  What's the point of VAC if the current system already works?

[boot_Hardy]

Why?  What's the point of VAC if the current system already works?

 

You're right of course. I was referring to the original poster and I was curious about his claims It

is just as AndyJWest and yourself wrote, sorry about the confusion...

[=IRFC=Jorri]

I doubt we will see VAC...it stands for Valve Anti Cheat.

[Jason_Williams]

ROF has never had a problem with cheating thanks to the system we have designed. I wouldn't worry about this Hooves.

 

Jason

[71st_AH_Hooves]

ROF has never had a problem with cheating thanks to the system we have designed. I wouldn't worry about this Hooves.

 

Jason

 

 

Thats all I needed to know!  TY Jason