Landing Procedure

[Aured]

I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to landing a plane, so I scraped up some information online. Am I doing this right? I'm not including factors such as weight of plane etc. 

 

First, you enter the pattern. On the downwind leg, keeping the runway on your left, you fly parallel and wait until the end of the runway is to the 7/8 o clock of your plane. Then you turn into the base leg and lower gear. Turning onto final, you maintain glideslope speed (e.g. in the Il-2, it's 180 km/h) and lower flaps. You use pitch to maintain the glide-slope speed and throttle to adjust altitude as needed. As you cross the threshold of the runway, you pitch up gently and allow the flaps to slow your plane down and decrease the lift. Eventually, you match your pitch to the assigned landing pitch (12 degrees in the Il-2) and the plane gently lands.

 

I've had some great landings using this procedure - the one in this video is the last (and unfortunately the worst) one I did out of five landings in a row; I was too far right of the runway, had to dive to stop myself from stalling, didn't pitch to the correct landing attitude and came in way too fast, resulting in a bounce. 

 

 

Do you guys have any pointers? I started off trying to land the Pe-2, and I still can't do it properly; full flaps just launches the plane into the air, it produces a ridiculous amount of lift. So now I'm trying to stick with the basic planes.  

Edited July 19, 2016 by Aured

[ROSS_BerryMORE]

Set up trim FULL NOSE UP. It`s really help

[No601_Swallow]

I have more trouble landing the Pe2 than any other aircraft. I've read here on this forum that as in RL full flaps were never ever used for landing. It's on the forum so it must be true...   30% flaps seems more than enough in the Pe2. (Not that I'm an expert, but I think speed is the most important variable to keep under control - not letting it get too slow until you're inches above the runway.)

 

In the end though, it's the boring old mantra - practice, practice, practice... Using the QMB for practice is one thing. Another time saveris to whip up an SP mission putting you in the pattern or on finals. (You can also have fun - if you like that sort of thing - populating the airfield so it looks cool.

Edited July 19, 2016 by No601_Swallow

[Monostripezebra]

some of the classic landing wisdom:

 

"A good landing is one you can walk away from, a great landing is one after which you can re-use the plane"

 

"the rate of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of impact"

 

and so on.. and so on. You´ll figure it out.

[JimTM]

I use full flaps on my Pe-2 landings and they work fine as long as you do a wheel landing (i.e., touch down on the main wheels first with very little flare). I maintain 200 kph on final and flare just a bit. Many times the plane will bounce lightly a couple of times but I just let the tail settle gently and soon the plane sits right down, with plenty of runway left. The full flaps bleed off speed rapidly and make sure you stay on the ground. The trick is to practice your wheel landings so that you don't hit too hard (for guidance, take note of the angle you are at just before take-off). That's just my experience. I don't know if it's really historical or not (I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other yet), but it works fine for me.

Edited July 19, 2016 by JimTM

[Aured]

Thanks for the replies guys. I take it my technique is right? Will try out advice on Pe-2 soon. 

[JimTM]

Another tip: as you get close to the runway threshold, shift your focus well down the runway. This helps you make a smoother landing.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

From what I can see your approach angle is too shallow and you deployed landing flaps too late. Try to line up for final approach without landing flaps, reduce airspeed & extend flaps and keep your glideslope steady (not the case in the video, although you managed to correct for it). To do that you need to find a point on the runway that you keep steady in your windscreen.

Use throttle to increase/decsrease sink rate and pitch to hold airspeed.

 

If you do it by the book landings are not stresfull and easier to learn. Just remember to take your time even if that requires a longer approach.

Edited July 20, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[wtornado]

Flaps about 30%.

 

The engine RPM depends on speed.

 

Rads closed,prop pitch at 100%

 

Flying parallel to the airstrip and when the airstrip is between the back of the wing and the elevator I turn gently towards the airstrip

bleeding speed to control the descent and bring her in gently watching the speed and rate of descent to  land.

[GridiroN]

I have more trouble landing the Pe2 than any other aircraft. I've read here on this forum that as in RL full flaps were never ever used for landing. It's on the forum so it must be true...   30% flaps seems more than enough in the Pe2. (Not that I'm an expert, but I think speed is the most important variable to keep under control - not letting it get too slow until you're inches above the runway.)

 

In the end though, it's the boring old mantra - practice, practice, practice... Using the QMB for practice is one thing. Another time saveris to whip up an SP mission putting you in the pattern or on finals. (You can also have fun - if you like that sort of thing - populating the airfield so it looks cool.

 

The trick, I find, is not slowing down too fast. I use the airbrake to slow down, and then pull it back up. If you go too slow over a runway (seemingly slower than 180'ish) in the PE2, your plane will fall out of the sky onto it's right wing instead of settling onto the landing gear. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

First things first... The Pe-2 historically was a difficult plane to land. The airfoil is well optimized for speed but not great when the speed is dropping close to the stall.

 

Watching your video I can make a couple of suggestions:

 

- Setup your final turn in further out so you have more time to correct onto the runway.

- Less throttle on approach (it sounds like you're still at 70% or more when you probably want to be 50%)

- Start dropping the flaps sooner - if you're waiting to drop flaps when you're about to cross the runway threshold then you've waited too long

- Focus more on speed/altitude in relation to each other rather than nose angle. Let the nose rise a bit as the flaps come down and let the plane slowly descend onto the runway.

 

Basically... gently does it. If you're forcing it down then you're probably doing something like coming in too fast or deploying flaps too late.

 

I've made all of the hilarious landing mistakes myself many many (MANY! :D) times so I say these having watched your video (kudos for posting that) but also with what I would tell myself if I could send a message back in time :D

[216th_Jordan]

The pe-2 formula that works wonders for me:

 

30% flaps, shallow approach, 100% pitch trimmer. Come in at 200 constantly and when you get close to the runway threshold gently reduce throttle to 0. You will see that your plane will drop so gently pull the stick back, try to keep the plane flaring low and touch down with the tailwheel first. If done right its almost smooth as silk (it still oscilliates while going down the runway though, but thats a design issue)

[Quax]

glide is too shallow - pitch too low on short final - use centerline on short final - use three point touchdown

[ACG_daffy_]

Landing.....

Is the act in which the pilot returns the air frame to the surface of the Earth, or the air frame finishes flying.  Ideally, the ladder is accomplished only while the first task is being attended to appropriately.  In short, it is a controlled crash.

 

Keep the wings level, and the belly between you and the ground while attempting to minimize any damage.