KG 13 from KBTT. Another one look on the replica.

[Cheb2006]

 

Not all screws on electrical board and prototype of fire trigger. But stick is almost done...

 

 

[Beazil]

How much for one that fits a hog? Where do I send my money?

 

Looks amazing.

[Cheb2006]

How much for one that fits a hog? Where do I send my money?

 

Looks amazing.

Warthog adapter is not ready now. Only Nut is ready to produce, other parts of adapter are prototypes, but close to be used for silicon forms. Not enough time to made so many things simultaniously

Usualy i make it after th work and at weekends, but now is the time to open summer season.. some weekends i have to spent for prepare country house..

[Sokol1]

Curiosity about the use of "KG-12/13" grips in Russian planes (capitanblood research):

 

One would expect it to be based on the study of captured airplanes, but seems this happen due collaboration agreements before war,

with Germans send for their future enemy samples of their aircraft production - bought with money lend by Germans. 

 

"On the recommendation of the delegation visited Germany in early 1940 by the People's Commissariat of Foreign Trade was issued an order for German planes and equipment for a detailed study of them in our country. It contained more than 100 items. In particular, on the aircraft was supposed to buy 5 copies.

 

5 He 100 with a steam-cooled engine,

5 He 100 with a conventional water-cooled engine, 

5 Bf 109E,

2 Bf 110C,

3 bomber Ju 88, 

3 Do 215,

Byukker Bu 131 "Jungmann",

Bu 133 "Yungmayster"

Fw 58,

Me 109 recorde plane,

2 helicopter Fw 226."

[Cheb2006]

The new type of information shield. Now surface not flat and have relief, like on original shields. I'l add some paint toda, to fix background. I'm scratched it a bit when cleaned front layer picture.
Old type at the right is laminated aluminium.

[Jade_Monkey]

Great job!

[Cheb2006]

New spare part for MIG's knuppel grip:
Round holder for side button
(This side button used for short activation of air brakes)

 

[Cheb2006]

New metal fire trigger.

 

[Cheb2006]

The first our KG-13 replica for trade. This plug & play version costs 215$. (The warthog base is not included)

The body of stick is made of plastic Beresin G26 (German components).

Metal side button holder.

The fire trigger is made of neusilber.

Buttons are self made, based on timig buttton with hull of 205K/204K and works like original 205K / 204K, if you want, you can replace them with 205K / 204K.

Additional options(electrical plate, reload button), as on previous pictures can be added but for additional money.

 

[J2_Steve]

I'm very interested in the Warthog version Cheb, presuming from your post these are available for sale now

 

How can I get one?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I get a bit nervous viewing images on Russian image hosting sites. Could you also upload these to Imgur or something like that?

[Cheb2006]

I'm very interested in the Warthog version Cheb, presuming from your post these are available for sale now

 

How can I get one?

Yes, we'r have one ready for sale KG-13, images and descriptions in my last post.

We'r can discuss the way you can get it. Tell me where are you from, so i will check what is the best postal services. Or you can choose it himself. I will send it from the Moscow. postal code 129626.

I get a bit nervous viewing images on Russian image hosting sites. Could you also upload these to Imgur or something like that?

i't does not metter where hosting of image is, just never open files with extentions like "jpg.exe, lpg.jar, jpg.apk"...

I repost images localy here for your safety!

This is the Knuppel Grip for sale...

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

i't does not metter where hosting of image is, just never open files with extentions like "jpg.exe, lpg.jar, jpg.apk"...

I repost images localy here for your safety!

-snip-

 

I asked because I've had... bad... experiences looking at images on other RU hosting sites.

 

I appreciate you uploading them here! Thanks. 

[J2_Steve]

Cheb I'm in the UK. London area.

[Cheb2006]

Cheb I'm in the UK. London area.

Royal Mail is very expensive, i have a lot of purchases from UK.. But never sent something to UK. We hshould to check it... may be not so expensive...

[Cheb2006]

Cheb I'm in the UK. London area.

SPSR - 30 $ and from one day (they ask Recipient Information for customs), EMS - 35$ and from 5 days, feedex 70$ and 3 days. UPS 100$ minimum

[J2_Steve]

That doesn't sound too bad except UPS!

 

So SPSR $245 total and EMS $250 total

 

Sounds good to me.

 

PM how you want to be paid

Edited July 28, 2017 by J2_SteveF

[Cheb2006]

That doesn't sound too bad except UPS!

 

So SPSR $245 total and EMS $250 total

 

Sounds good to me.

 

PM how you want to be paid

Good. And i finished two electrical plates today, i will install one on your stick for free. I can make also wire for the more interesting look )

 

Plate and wires like on this image, but remastered with better surface quality and 3mm screws.

 

 

I'm at my country house now, i'll make it at the monday.

Plate will be under cover, but you can open it sometimes )))

 

About payment there are two ways.. I will write you private message.. 

[J2_Steve]

So I proceeded with purchasing the KG13 from Cheb, based on this thread.

 

Cheb's comms where great and instilled confidence in this product.

I ordered the stick and made a paypal payment to Cheb last Monday, it took 7 days to get from Russia to London, which is pretty good going all things considered.

Also worth a mention is that Cheb refused to draw the cash on his paypal account until I had confirmed I had received the stick.

Also offering a full refund if I was not satisfied in anyway (as if!!!)

 

My first impressions are that I'm blown away by the quality and feel of this grip. Really feels great. The switches are reproductions of the original and feel very mechanical as opposed to a computer touch button feel that we are used to on a computer flight stick. There is a reassuring click when a button is pressed, adding to the authentic feeling and adding to immersion.

 

Holding it in the hand it really is something to admire, a real piece of flight sim art

 

Here is shot of the stick in my "pit" complimenting my Slaw 109 pedals nicely

 

 

The sad thing now is that I'm about to go off on Holiday for 2 weeks, so wont get to use it properly for a little while.

 

Once I have a bit more time on the stick, I will follow up with another post with my impressions after using it for a while.

[XwhiskeysX]

Would absolutely love to buy the Warthog compatible KG13 for use with my new VPC base and mount. Anymore available?

[Cheb2006]

Would absolutely love to buy the Warthog compatible KG13 for use with my new VPC base and mount. Anymore available?

Not available yet. I spent all last month to make gyroplane (autogyro) version for my friend and some spares for my mig-15 grip. But we will make more KGs later.

 

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[XwhiskeysX]

So dumb question, what's the difference between KG13 and the Mig grip? I use a VKB Gladiator Pro for my Bf109, FW190, and Mig 15 mods.

 

Your stuff looks amazing by the way, can't wait to get my hands on one. :-)

 

Cheers,

Jess

[Cheb2006]

So dumb question, what's the difference between KG13 and the Mig grip? I use a VKB Gladiator Pro for my Bf109, FW190, and Mig 15 mods.

 

Your stuff looks amazing by the way, can't wait to get my hands on one. :-)

 

Cheers,

Jess

There is no difference in principal, bot there are some differencece in details.

KG 12/13 was made by different factory has differeant head shapes. KGs of the end of the war are very close to MIGs grips. It will be better to say, that MIGs grips close to the last KGs. Old KGs had more fine shaped forms, but MIGs are more rought. Differend diametres of fixing screwes, and as result, a little bit different wihdths for places for them. Germans never used 20mm collets for 18mm buttons, but Russians did it.. Any way, in hand it's the same.

 

Side button holders, fire triggr, spring and electrical cap are made by me and Sergey.

Edited September 1, 2017 by Cheb2006

[XwhiskeysX]

Gotcha. Well whichever you will sell next, you have a 100% guaranteed customer!

[Cheb2006]

Gotcha. Well whichever you will sell next, you have a 100% guaranteed customer!

So next produced KG-13 will be yours. I'll send you images of avalibe options for choose at the monday.

[XwhiskeysX]

Fantastic! Looking for the one compatible with warthog base. Can't wait to see it!

Edited September 2, 2017 by XwhiskeysX

[Cheb2006]

Fantastic! Looking for the one compatible with warthog base. Can't wait to see it!

 

Cougar plug is the basical option. Maximum configuration can be like this (with c-button):

Edited September 2, 2017 by Cheb2006

[XwhiskeysX]

Awesome!!

[Cheb2006]

All my previosly posted images died with closed savepic.ru... I'm at my country house now and have no images with me. I'l repost it at the monday, as i told.

[Cheb2006]

This is the basic complectation. It is without decoration wires and electrical board under the front cap.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Cheb2006

[Cheb2006]

And this is maximum configuration (on photo does not installed Warthog plug and fire triger not of metal. Also Electrical board have 4 mm screws, last version have 3mm screws and fine surface)

This is old photos.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Cheb2006

[J2_Steve]

@Whiskey

 

If you can get one from Cheb, get it.

 

I love mine, really adds to the immersion

 

I was really impressed with the quality of the grip, so happy I pounced on the one that was available when I did

[XwhiskeysX]

Wow that looks impressive!!

[Cheb2006]

Here is the first flight test of our KG-13 in autogyro version... it was last sunday.  https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/4599-kg-13-ot-kbtt-eshyo-odin-vzglyad-na-sozdanie-repliki/page-12?do=findComment&comment=559475

 

 

Here is images from this link:

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[Sokol1]

? 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Of course, that's what he needs the trigger and rocket-release buttons for!! 

[J2_Steve]

Very cool Pavel

[ITAF_Rani]

Really cool job Cheb !!

[XwhiskeysX]

My KG13 just arrived today, and I must echo the thoughts of others and add my own opinions:

 

First and foremost, I have never experienced a level of customer service than I did with Paul.  The EMS (through no fault of him) took awhile to get through customs and to America, however he was calling them himself trying to run it down and kept sending me updates.  He didn't withdraw the money in fear the package was lost, and even offered to give some money back due to the delay.  Don't worry about that, I am more than pleased.  Top Notch communication and fidelity sir!  

 

The stick itself - It looks like he literally took it out of a brand new Mig 15 and put a Thrustmaster adaptor on it.  The quality is second to none, the button presses feel like the real thing and although TM, VKB and VPC make good products, this stick is on another playing field.

 

I cannot wait to put this into my VPC base and take-off.  Pictures to follow once I get on island Monday evening.

 

Thanks again Paul, you hit this one out of the park.

 

Jess

Edited October 19, 2017 by XwhiskeysX

[AV8R]

The KG13 looks nice!   Im curious, any interest in making a MiG29 or Su27/33 grip for the Cougar/Warthog?