Up to what Altitude ?....

[Guest deleted@50488]

were the Bf109 E, F or G series supposed to operate?
 
Around 8km the aircraft in il2 all become a bit difficult to control, and if you manage to go even higher, the problem will be aggravated...

Edited July 14, 2016 by jcomm

[PatrickAWlson]

They should be controllable well  past 10K meters.  Wikipedia has 13K as a max altitude for a Me109 G6 for what it's worth.  Whatever one's faith in Wikipedia, bombers routinely operated at around 7-9K, so 8K is definitely not a max for a 109.

[NN_Elanion]

Hello Jcomm,

What do you mean exactly ?
How difficult?
As you speed (climb) enough not to start feeling the stall or instability?

Good flying in the blue sky

[ShamrockOneFive]

Keep in mind that the maximum rated altitude for the aircraft up there is where you're really pushing the envelope (so to speak). It's one of those things done on a good day under the best possible circumstance. Having read the stories about some of the Spitfires that were flying intercepts of Ju86Ps flying high over Malta... They were really pushing what the Spitfire V with some equipment left off could do and that firing at the recon planes was difficult - if a 20mm cannon froze in the -50 degree temps - it would cause a stall nearly instantly.

 

Now that's talking 30,000 feet and more which is 9000 meters and up. The air does get thin up there.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Yep, I actually know how thin it gets, because of rl work at the metoffice :-) and because I'm a pilot irl too :-), but I feel the aircraft a bit more prone to stall and twitchy on the controls than I would expect at "only" 8000m, or 9000m...

 

Dogfighting at those levels is probably not a good idea either ...

[Brano]

Quick google search,interesting post in discussion with some basic explanations about critical altitude and such.

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/critical-altitudes.35530/

 

If you are interested in messers,check kurfursts site.Lots of data and test reports

http://www.kurfurst.org/

[Guest deleted@50488]

Thx guys for your hints! Will have to read :-)

[wtornado]

Keep in mind that the maximum rated altitude for the aircraft up there is where you're really pushing the envelope (so to speak). It's one of those things done on a good day under the best possible circumstance. Having read the stories about some of the Spitfires that were flying intercepts of Ju86Ps flying high over Malta... They were really pushing what the Spitfire V with some equipment left off could do and that firing at the recon planes was difficult - if a 20mm cannon froze in the -50 degree temps - it would cause a stall nearly instantly.

 

Now that's talking 30,000 feet and more which is 9000 meters and up. The air does get thin up there.

If we had Spitfire MK IX's in this sim the online war would be over if it was modeled right..

 

It was a MK IX stripped of its armor that got the first confirmed kill of a JU-86 P kill over Britain 

 

The standard MK IX could fly well at 38 000 feet but it could climb higher and the HF MK VIII

could fly up to 44 000 feet(13 000m).

 

All this done between 1942-43

[Guest deleted@50488]

If we had Spitfire MK IX's in this sim the online war would be over if it was modeled right..

 

It was a MK IX stripped of its armor that got the first confirmed kill of a JU-86 P kill over Britain 

 

The standard MK IX could fly well at 38 000 feet but it could climb higher and the HF MK VIII

could fly up to 44 000 feet(13 000m).

 

All this done between 1942-43

 

Wow! That's stratospheric flight :-)

[ShamrockOneFive]

If we had Spitfire MK IX's in this sim the online war would be over if it was modeled right..

 

It was a MK IX stripped of its armor that got the first confirmed kill of a JU-86 P kill over Britain 

 

The standard MK IX could fly well at 38 000 feet but it could climb higher and the HF MK VIII

could fly up to 44 000 feet(13 000m).

 

All this done between 1942-43

 

The online war tends to get fought at middling altitudes. No-one flies that high except for the view :D

 

But yeah, the IX models despite being a stop gap model of the Spitfire ended up being very impressive indeed!

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

[Guest deleted@50488]

 

Concorde cruised even higher :-)

[wtornado]

They model me this and I will crush all Airforces and dominate the planet.

 

Mauh hahahaa.

[Dutchvdm]

  

Nice video. The have another video with a MIG-25. But it's an old one.

 

Grt M

[Y-29.Silky]

Reading the Memphis Belle's pilots memoir, they'd be flying at 25-30,000ft; he mentioned Stukas would be at 35,000ft (10668 meters) trying to drop bombs on their formation.

 

And that was early 1943.

Edited July 18, 2016 by Y-29.Silky

[Dakpilot]

Sounds a bit high for a Stuka...seems to be about 10,000ft above it's service ceiling 

 

Pilot anecdotes..

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Yogiflight]

As far as I know, it were more likely 109s diving down in Stuka-attacks and throwing their bombs on them. It is, what I heard, how they did their bombattacks on the bomberformations.

[CisTer-dB-]

Yep, I actually know how thin it gets, because of rl work at the metoffice :-) and because I'm a pilot irl too :-), but I feel the aircraft a bit more prone to stall and twitchy on the controls than I would expect at "only" 8000m, or 9000m...

 

Dogfighting at those levels is probably not a good idea either ...

It's like that on the deck so it's even worst at high level, but that a long story