1Sascha Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 G-1 high altitude "hot rod" version would also be nice to have. Not sure if it was fitted with GM-1 (might have been), but there was definitely a stripped out version with armor and other equipment removed. May have only been a Western Front-thing. I'm pretty sure JG2 used that kind of G-1s on the channel-front.
I./JG1_Deschain Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 G-1 high altitude "hot rod" version would also be nice to have. Not sure if it was fitted with GM-1 (might have been), but there was definitely a stripped out version with armor and other equipment removed. May have only been a Western Front-thing. I'm pretty sure JG2 used that kind of G-1s on the channel-front. what for high alt fighter when all russians are below 3K :D
1Sascha Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Dang.. someone needs to set this pic to the Brokeback Mountain music ... Edited July 11, 2016 by 1Sascha 1
Dutchvdm Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 No kidding... Is it me or does the left guy looks like johnny depp, and right one like jude law..???
Shatter12 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Posted July 11, 2016 G-1 high altitude "hot rod" version would also be nice to have. Not sure if it was fitted with GM-1 (might have been), but there was definitely a stripped out version with armor and other equipment removed. May have only been a Western Front-thing. I'm pretty sure JG2 used that kind of G-1s on the channel-front.Wasn't the G-1 a G-2 with a pressurised cockpit? If it could strip down and lose armour/fuel pods/ammo/etc. That'd be an excellent fighter .
1Sascha Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 Wasn't the G-1 a G-2 with a pressurised cockpit? If it could strip down and lose armour/fuel pods/ammo/etc. That'd be an excellent fighter . Pretty sure there was one "U"-version of the G-1 (U2? U3? Not sure) that came with GM-1 and reduced weight (armor removed?). Julius Meimberg describes a G-1 like that in his autobiography and he was with JG2 on the Channel-front at the time. Like I said: Could be a Western Front only kinda thing because they probably didn't have much use for high-alt planes in the East. *shrug* Still would be lovely to see both MW-50 and GM-1 make an entrance into BoS. S.
Jaws2002 Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Dang.. someone needs to set this pic to the Brokeback Mountain music ...
Jaws2002 Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Dang.. someone needs to set this pic to the Brokeback Mountain music ... Here are your Luftwaffle pilots. Edited July 12, 2016 by Jaws2002
Jaws2002 Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Look what i found on Ebay!!!! http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article280.html I was looking for this one online for a few years and I just gave up. Two days ago I saw this one in Italy on eBay and i snatched it. Should be here in a week or so. Now i just have to dust off my French. Edited July 12, 2016 by Jaws2002
JG13_opcode Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Night Witch-style sorties would be pretty badass online. 2
Dutchvdm Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Night Witch-style sorties would be pretty badass online. Some more night missions would even be nice with the current planeset. Maybe less for the fighter pilots, but for the attackers and bombers it would be awesome. Grt M
1Sascha Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Some more night missions would even be nice with the current planeset. Maybe less for the fighter pilots, but for the attackers and bombers it would be awesome. Grt M Yeah.. the number of missions BoS comes with "out of the box" is a bit disappointing. I would've expected some more training missions at least, teaching the finer points of engine management or the use of the bomb-sight for example. The community has done a great job providing that info in countless guides and YT-videos, mind you. Learning the He-111's sight was a piece of cake thanks to some videos and Chuck's pdf-guide.
Shatter12 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) Would the Po-2 even work? It's so slow it'd crash! The mains ones seem to be: P-39 (understandable as that was quite a powerful aircraft below 4-5km, where the combat on the eastern front occurred), IAR 80/81, FW 189, P-40B/C's (AFAIK the P-40E has as nearly as much armour in terms of weight as the IL-2, but nowhere bear effective as the P-47D, much less an IL-2 and was the worst performing outside of the P-40A... I think), Hs 129, Yak-7B/-1Bs, early Yak-9s, Bf 110F/Gs and of course, Bf 109 G-4/-6s). Edited July 13, 2016 by Shatter12
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 Would the Po-2 even work? It's so slow it'd crash! The Polikarpov U-2 was the most Modern Extreme Altitude Reconaissance Aircraft of the War. It was so successful, the Americans outright copied it later. See, virtually the same (the upper one is the Russian Aircraft, the lower one the American, you really wouldn't know from just looking at it.) 2
Shatter12 Posted July 14, 2016 Author Posted July 14, 2016 The Polikarpov U-2 was the most Modern Extreme Altitude Reconaissance Aircraft of the War. It was so successful, the Americans outright copied it later. See, virtually the same (the upper one is the Russian Aircraft, the lower one the American, you really wouldn't know from just looking at it.) I see what you did there. But all aircraft would stall at the Po-2s top speedd .
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 I see what you did there. But all aircraft would stall at the Po-2s top speedd . Fi-156 wouldn't.
wtornado Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Spitfire! Merlin 46-engined Spitfire Vb of the 3rd Squadron of 57th GIAP during Kuban battle
Shatter12 Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 Fi-156 wouldn't. Yes, but the Fi-156 wouldn't be all that faster then the Po-2 .
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Yes, but the Fi-156 wouldn't be all that faster then the Po-2 . Speed is overrated.
senseispcc Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Like in the original and even the first plane in the first demo of the original IL2 the great, the fabulous; P39... ;-) Airacobra. Edited July 15, 2016 by senseispcc
I./JG1_Baron Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I want West front, not only planes but map (s) too. Ideal from 1940 to 1945. Amen.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Airacobra is very much a necessity at this point. Imagine attacking bombers with that 37mm gun and a rear mounted engine, those Junkers and Heinkels would fall apart without you having to limp back with a damaged engine
Lusekofte Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I like the IAR 80 , but is another axis fighter what we need? In my opinion favors have turned to the axis and Russian side need a bomber capable of carrying a bomb load. I am not picky . IL 4, A 20 , B 25, PE 8 . Anything.
1Sascha Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Airacobra is very much a necessity at this point. Imagine attacking bombers with that 37mm gun and a rear mounted engine, those Junkers and Heinkels would fall apart without you having to limp back with a damaged engine Didn't the Russians pretty much fly the P-39 with 20mm only? I seem to remember that the 37mm in question was an unreliable POS with weird ballistics and that pilots hated it. S.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Nope, only the Airacobra Is delivered in 1942 and a very small number of P-39Ds delivered to 216 SAD units used the Hispano cannon. The Soviet pilots really appreciated the M4 cannon for its firepower and one-shot-kill capability despite the trajectory, and thought the 20mm Hispano was an unreliable piece of junk that didn't hold up to their own ShVAK in any way. In 16 GIAP they wired all guns to the machine gun trigger so that when you got close to an enemy one trigger squeeze let out a seven-gun salvo that reduced any target to bits. The Americans however did hate the M4.
Dutchvdm Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I like the IAR 80 , but is another axis fighter what we need? In my opinion favors have turned to the axis and Russian side need a bomber capable of carrying a bomb load. I am not picky . IL 4, A 20 , B 25, PE 8 . Anything. Why not? I agree about the Il-4 or the A20. I think the PE-8 would be a terrible choice, but all in all yes. The Russians should have at least another bomber. But that doesn't mean the Germans shouldn't get more planes... And if you want to stay away from more versions of the same aircraft (Which i'm ok with btw) there are not that many choices left on the eastern front. No bombers, no fighters. Mostly attack aircraft like the Henschels. So for the sake of diversity the IAR would be great. Grt M Nope, only the Airacobra Is delivered in 1942 and a very small number of P-39Ds delivered to 216 SAD units used the Hispano cannon. The Soviet pilots really appreciated the M4 cannon for its firepower and one-shot-kill capability despite the trajectory, and thought the 20mm Hispano was an unreliable piece of junk that didn't hold up to their own ShVAK in any way. In 16 GIAP they wired all guns to the machine gun trigger so that when you got close to an enemy one trigger squeeze let out a seven-gun salvo that reduced any target to bits. The Americans however did hate the M4. Hi Lucas, Do you have some numbers on the lend-lease aircraft? I know the P-39 and the A-20 where the most important, but which versions did they use and when did they arrive? Just out of curiosity, if we would get an 1943 plane-set. Grt M
Dakpilot Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Am sure this is a well known site to some, but it has a lot of good articles on Lend Lease http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/ As well as many interviews with Veterans Cheers Dakpilot
Dutchvdm Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 IAR 80/81 is for romanians,not germans I'm sorry!! I meant the axis powers in general. Off-course... Grt M IAR 80/81 is for romanians,not germans Thnx! Will take a look at it.
Brano Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 No problem,fellow pilot Largest German satellite air force deserves to be represented in the game that calls for historical fidelity on the eastern front.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 In addition to the link Dakpilot supplied which has amazing articles on each separate aircraft type, this link has an overview of the numbers: http://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/ In 1943 you had, in the front, mostly P-39s and A-20s. The Spitfire Mk V lasted little, the P-40s were giving way to the P-39, the Hurricanes had already been relegated to second-rate jobs, the B-25 was only getting started and the rest never saw much action to begin with. The P-39 entered service in 1942 but reached major operational status early in 1943 (P-39D to L), so anything from March 1943 could have these models. In May the P-39M and P-39N also started to arrive.
wtornado Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Well 143 Spitfire MK V's. I get shivers think what we could do in the skies with 1188 Spitfire MK IX's. The Russians kept the superior SPitfire MK IX'S for flight tests knowing it was the best plane of the war. Let's change the history and put them on the frontline The online war is over.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) They kept those Mk IXs in the rear because they were considered 'good-for-nothing' at the operational altitudes encountered in the front, and instead used them for air defense against high-flying recce Junkers and after the war for high altitude pilot training. You could do more with a contemporary Lavochkin or Yakovlev Edited July 15, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell
ACG_daffy_ Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Dweebfires? Meh .... How many did the VVS receive and how many did they put into service? Quick wikipedia search brought up this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#British_deliveries_to_the_USSR So it looks like the Hurri and the P-39 should be a prime candidates for lend-lease planes on the Soviet side. At least if we're basing this on sheer numbers. S. The 109 guys are going to have a fit!!!
JG13_opcode Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Realistically they should just start adding planes that fit the general time period. Given that we have the 190 that wasn't present over Stalingrad, any pretense of "only adding aircraft that were actually there" is rather moot. I'll take a Yak-9U please. Edited July 15, 2016 by 13GIAP_opcode
curiousGamblerr Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Realistically they should just start adding planes that fit the general time period. Given that we have the 190 that wasn't present over Stalingrad, any pretense of "only adding aircraft that were actually there" is rather moot. I'll take a Yak-9U please. There wasn't a single 190 within hundreds of kilometers of Stalingrad for the entirety of the battle?
Dakpilot Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 But there was at Velikie Luki Map which is included in the game.... Cheers Dakpilot
JG13_opcode Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 There wasn't a single 190 within hundreds of kilometers of Stalingrad for the entirety of the battle?Pretty sure, yep.
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