How much would you pay for a flyable Ju 52?

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I think the best choice would be to include the Ju-52 in the next 10 planes + map. Since the exterior and flight model is already done maybe introduce paratroopers, dropping supplies, naval ops(52 with floats!!!) or something like that.

 

Would introduce new gameplay which I think we need

[TP_Silk]

Not my cup of tea at all I'm afraid. Personally I don't much see the point of this particular aircraft in a combat flight sim. I'm not decrying those that want it, just saying that I don't personally see the point.

[GrendelsDad]

Maybe I am just hopeful, but I would hope if they did make the JU flyable it may bring some interest from guys who like to fly airliners and such.  Some of the cockpits those guys use are amazing and it may be what they need to get into a military type game.  I do not mind flying transport missions myself if there is a reason(resupply or whatever)  escorting such a juicy target would be good for the fighters on both sides.  So I guess I am for it even if I do not fly it so much.  I would pay 10$ to help support that aspect of the gameplay I think it would/could bring to this great game.

Edited June 17, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[KoN_]

Ju-52 for what purpose , dropping in supply's or paras , more cannon folder for the Yaks  , We have the Ju-88 and that`s hardly given escort  flown on the servers .

I want them too concentrate on the game at hand we have  now `  there is still lots to fix .  And $160 for a flight sim is a lot of money . I think out of the twenty aircraft we have now ,  i think i  only see the norm flying online F4 and Yak alike . 

hardly see a P40 or 190 these days . Not like it used to be when the pan was full of 190s taking off .

Edited June 17, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I think the best choice would be to include the Ju-52 in the next 10 planes + map. Since the exterior and flight model is already done maybe introduce paratroopers, dropping supplies, naval ops(52 with floats!!!) or something like that.

 

Would introduce new gameplay which I think we need

The problem is that it barely fits anywhere in the 10 plane setup, maybe as a premium at best (as such it would be a standalone aircraft...).

 

The devs clearly want to include aircraft for the mainsteam of sim players and thus made their setups the way they are. Exchanging for example the german vomber slot with a Ju-52 would create an asymmetric setup, not to mention many people dont want to buy a Ju-52 with limited usebility as much as a lets say Do-217.

 

Similar thing for biplanes. They were a common sight on the eastern front but poeple don't like them so they get more 109s and Yaks instead of "crappy" planes.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'd pay between 15-20USD for an out-of-package aircraft that introduces variety into the gameplay.

 

The Tante, Storch, Hs123 and many others.

 

Everybody loves to be a fighter jock but it lacks any depth.

[RAY-EU]

80€ Ju52 or big bomber like Fw200

&

80€ for 2 planes one allied and the other axis , and before 2 mouths you can refound the 50% so -40€ return to you if you don't like this plane , but you can get again get that plane for the 40€ if you want the new update if you do not like refound -40€ return to you but you can do this only 3 times them you finally own get the plane forever .

Edited June 17, 2016 by RAY-EU

[LukeFF]

Sorry, but I don't want to pay money for flyable transports. I just don't see it as being a financially viable effort for the team.

80€ for 2 planes and before 2 mouths you can refound the 50% so -40€ return to you if you don't like this plane , but you can get again get that plane for the 40€ if you want the new update if you do not like refound -40€ return to you but you can do this only 3 times them you finally own get the plane forever .

 

     

 

Your lack of understanding of basic economics is...astounding. 

[RAY-EU]

Thanks but if you do infantry in the future you go with the Ju52 over and airfield fliying with 20 infantry soldiers that jump in parachutes and you are with the infantry near the enemy aifield , maybe is better than a Tank ? So infantry could be very funny ! Thanks

Thanks for the tanks enjoy very much to bomb tanks .Is very funny !

[Feathered_IV]

If the score and stat system were expanded along with he Ju-52 to show supply points earned the same way air and ground kills are displayed, it would bring a whole other "trade" to the online environment.

 

I would wish for several different cargo loadouts available, each with their own weight and performance penalty.  Ranging form the light cargo, right up to the dangerously overloaded variety.  Instead of the relentless pew-pew of MP and lonely treks to and from the ground targets, I would like to try my hand at becoming a transport ace.  I want to jealously guard my tonnage-to-death ratio.  I want to be debating the wisdom of fast trips with light cargo, against longer, more profitable journeys in a wallowing and overloaded Ju on the edge of a stall.  I want to compete with others on the same team to see who can evacuate the most wounded.  I want the sort of aircraft that expand gameplay and help promote a sense of an in-game ecology and living world.

[PatrickAWlson]

The question in the OP is valid.  You want something you have to pay for it.  These guys pay their bills with the income, they are not doing it for free.

 

The only thing that SHOULD be included is what is stated on the box.  If flyable JU52 is not on the box then to state that it SHOULD have been included is ridiculous.  If a map of a certain area  is not on the box then to state that it SHOULD have been included is ridiculous.  If a campaign of a certain type  is not on the box ... you get the idea.  

 

So, for those complaining about the price, would you be happier if the company went out of business?  Would you be happier if the quantity was greater but the quality significantly less?  Or do you think that the folks at 777 are kicking back their heels and getting stinking rich by overcharging for something that takes minimal effort?

 

I want a Porsche, but damn it, Porsche won't sell me one for 10K.  Hell, i would happily pay double that, but still the bastids refuse!  How dare them!  I guess I'll by a Ford Focus instead and complain to the dealer that a 500 HP engine SHOULD have been included.

 

How much entertainment value are you getting for your money?  Hundreds of hours over the course of a year?  And your complaining about $80?

 

Now to the original question: for me flying a JU52 would be a novelty that quickly wore off.  Fly.  Be helpless.  Hopefully land without encountering anything.  A few bucks for the novelty, but pretty low priority.

[Gambit21]

To ask for this either anti-consumer, shortsighted or fanboyism in my opinion which is why I made fun of it. I know I wasn't nice, you can take offense at that if you so wish. Anyway, don't worry, I'm done with this topic.

 

Well shows what your opinion is worth I guess.

[senseispcc]

Zero, no interest at ​all, Microsoft Flight Simulator is there to do that, is it not ?!  

[Gambit21]

Zero, no interest at ​all, Microsoft Flight Simulator is there to do that, is it not ?!  

 

Not so much.

 

$35 is high, just saying it's my own personal threshold, and I'm not saying that because I'm made of money.

I'd rather pay $10 or $15 - the point is...I'd pay for it.

 

With the current model we're not likely to get a Ju 52, or a Storch...which contrary to what some posts would have you believe, actually

play a roll in a combat environment and the prospect of flying these missions is appealing to many.

 

They are less likely to ever be included in a 10 plane set.

Here's the good thing...if this sort of thing did happen, after you buy the normal release - YOU  WOULDN'T HAVE TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL PLANES.

 

Some of the whining about cost is astounding...even back in the day these products were arguably being sold too inexpensively given the content/development time, not

to mention the hours upon hours, days, months, years of entertainment. 

Edited June 17, 2016 by Gambit21

[No601_Swallow]

Not my cup of tea at all I'm afraid. Personally I don't much see the point of this particular aircraft in a combat flight sim. I'm not decrying those that want it, just saying that I don't personally see the point.

 

Silk, you have no soul! 

 

I forked out 25 Euro for a slightly ropey Hawk in DCS last weekend. I'd certainly part with something similar for the Ju 52. I don't know if I'd fly it in missions or online, but I'd fly it a lot just for the joy of it. A small alpine (or hilly Crimean) Lapino-type map would allow me to practice short field landings or valley approaches. At the very least, I could drop supplies on the citadel in Velie Luki! Lots of fun to be had. So, yes, the Ju52 with a variety of load-outs and a resupply function (MCU) added to the ME, please!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

We are all different...

 

There are some people who struggle to find cash to buy basic games.

There are some people who have more money than sense and don't even think about others who struggle.

There are some people who are not interested.

There are some people who would sell their grandmothers to get the stuff they want.

 

One thing is always the same though, everyone thinks their way is right, lol! 

You forgot the category of people who have a bit of spare cash, enjoy the game, and gift to strangers for free.

[TP_Silk]

Silk, you have no soul! 

 

I forked out 25 Euro for a slightly ropey Hawk in DCS last weekend. I'd certainly part with something similar for the Ju 52. I don't know if I'd fly it in missions or online, but I'd fly it a lot just for the joy of it. A small alpine (or hilly Crimean) Lapino-type map would allow me to practice short field landings or valley approaches. At the very least, I could drop supplies on the citadel in Velie Luki! Lots of fun to be had. So, yes, the Ju52 with a variety of load-outs and a resupply function (MCU) added to the ME, please!

No problem Swallow mate - you buy it and first chance I get on the mission editor you'll be flying it while the rest of us come gunning for you when we swap back to VVS missions 

[seafireliv]

Umm...

 

Nope.

 

It's one of the reasons I stopped playing RoF, and it's why I won't buy DCS.

 

We are paying $80 a pop for what are really just DLCs, paying $35 for a single aircraft is just adding insult to injury.

 

In this I agree. I have never really liked this DLC aircraft thing at all. In fact, I think it takes away from the extra work that could be done like in the Campaigns and why the actual game is so dry in parts. But that`s the way of it now. Game`s companies copying game companies. One do it, they all do it! In fact, I would never normally support this practise, but where else am I going to enjoy a modern WW2 or WW1 fighter sim?

 

That said I have no interest in a JU52 and the only reason I fly Axis planes is to know my enemy!

 

p.s. Yes, yes, I bought ROF and hated the nickle and diming in that as well. Thankfully, I waited for most sales although I couldn`t get everything even then cos it was so expensive.

Edited June 17, 2016 by seafireliv

[Gambit21]

If you knew what it took to produce an aircraft I'm guessing you wouldn't characterize it as "nickle and diming"

Again, they have to make a living.

[Blitzen]

Well let us say the game is finished and stress for more game options and content then.

 

With more game play options and ME,MP content.

 

I think I would like the buy the plane that you want concept I would like and buy the Bf-110 E-2 and the PE-2 series 35 and the JU-88.

 

Maybe think about the  MC.202 Series VIII and MiG 3

 

I don't want of need the I-16 or care about the P-40.

 

I like the ROF concept in that regard.

Totally agree!

[Trooper117]

At some stage they will make single planes available for purchase, I'm pretty sure of that.

If you look at the current business model, they can't keep that system up indefinitely for obvious reasons.  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Honestly, they should bump the price up a tad but sell AC in pairs or four packs every few months (four pack at $50-60). Make more money and keep the excitement up without the peaks and valleys in interest or income. Sell good maps and campaigns once or twice a year to introduce new theaters and just a pair or four AC for those as well while keeping the $80 price tag. The improved SP content and ground objects would justify it. this would require some really long term projecting though.

 

I doubt we'll see individual AC sales for quite a while yet.

Edited June 17, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Dakpilot]

I don't really understand the logic, if a new product is created, time and research is done and this is charged for it is called 'nickel and diming" 

 

As for new aircraft impacting on further development of the sim/game, I very much doubt that 3D artists and FM dev's have much to do with general game development

 

Due to the nature of JU-52 many have said they would not be interested in using it, the same people would probably be disappointed if it were one of the included aircraft

 

for this reason it would be a good idea as an individual aircraft purchase, but only if there was return on investment available from purchases to make it viable.

 

I remember Dev comments that the RoF 'purchase' model was not really financially viable..and I guess they know more than us in that respect 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Jade_Monkey]

Honestly, they should bump the price up a tad but sell AC in pairs or four packs every few months (four pack at $50-60). Make more money and keep the excitement up without the peaks and valleys in interest or income. Sell good maps and campaigns once or twice a year to introduce new theaters and just a pair or four AC for those as well while keeping the $80 price tag. The improved SP content and ground objects would justify it. this would require some really long term projecting though.

 

I doubt we'll see individual AC sales for quite a while yet.

I like that idea.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I hate people saying that "go to FSX to fly passenger planes" or something similar 

 

The Ju-52 was a transport plane used in combat. It was even used in bigger numbers than fighters at some battles. Take Stalingrad as an example...

 

Its a thing that many people are interested in. Flying a transport plane IN COMBAT. Transport missions in the game with 111s are really fun and intense. Maybe you fighter guys should at least try it once instead of saying its [Edited] and tell us to go to another game. If you dont like it, fine but keep your ignorance for yourself 

Edited June 18, 2016 by Bearcat

[SAG]

i would pay 10$

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I hate people saying that "go to FSX to fly passenger planes" or something similar 

 

The Ju-52 was a transport plane used in combat. It was even used in bigger numbers than fighters at some battles. Take Stalingrad as an example...

 

Its a thing that many people are interested in. Flying a transport plane IN COMBAT. Transport missions in the game with 111s are really fun and intense. Maybe you fighter guys should at least try it once instead of saying its shit and tell us to go to another game. If you dont like it, fine but keep your ignorance for yourself 

 

I genuinely feel like some game features designed around cargo/resupply/transport/medvac/recon would be good, long term fun. For the fighter jocks, sure, it'll probably be completely boring or temporary fun... But for guys who are dedicated multi-engine pilots or who want to introduce variety to the gameplay that isn't entirely stat-racking it's something we're going to return to fly again and again.

 

I am bored to death with fighters. They're great in their own right and everybody wants to be a virtual Hartmann or Pokryshkin (pick your flavor...) but the air conflicts in WWII were much deeper than knight vs. knight jousts... There is so much of the airwar that is underrepresented in combat simulation.

 

As far as Civil Aviation Simulation goes, there is even a possibility that the playerbase could be broadened to a degree by bringing these people in... They're interested in the types of tasks I mentioned above.

 

Where it stands now with the current game engine the Ju52 can't even be deployed as AI in an appreciable scale in MP which is such a disservice to an aircraft that really, really played a pivotal role in this theater of war.

 

And you're right, McKvack - the He111 resupply flights can definitely be high-pressure pants-****ing fun... It's too bad nobody wants to open their eyes to that.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

I remember Dev comments that the RoF 'purchase' model was not really financially viable..and I guess they know more than us in that respect 

 

-snip-

 

To be perfectly fair, WWI is a much, much more niche market than what this one is even... And the aircraft in WWI were much, much more obscure.

 

Great - they made a Hanriot... Wait, I've never heard of that... But you know what I have heard of? Camels! Dr.I's! Albatross! That's where the ROF purchase model failed - obscure aircraft fall to the side of well known aircraft.

 

Now if we flip that to WWII it turns in to an entirely different tune... Virtually every aircraft that participated throughout the war is surrounded by a mystique or legend of its own that defines it and brings it out of obscurity...

 

TLDR; the ROF purchase model failed for reasons aside from the design of the purchase model itself.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[seafireliv]

Obviously the `nickle and diming` comments refer to my mention of it.

 

When I was talking about nickle and diming I was really refering to ROF since that took it to new heights. When you enter the game  start a mission and you`re told the aircraft isn`t available, then- Buy! So you find a plane you can fly, but you can`t fly the map- buy! You find a qmb mode to fly, you start on the airfield, some part of the plane is missing. How do I get it? Buy!

 

Well, that`s when my patience runs out and I call it nickle and diming. I couldn`t even fly online with a friend because of all these hurdles and when I feel i`m being channelled down a pay wall like a cow to a slaughterhouse my resistance instincts start to fire up. Make it plain what I need to buy and not buy to enjoy the game. Don`t trick me into it, then, thinking i`m so invested that i will buy, expect me to. I won`t. I know these sales tricks. treat the customer with respect.

 

Not to mention it kills any immersion of being in a WWI world in game.

If you want to do Free To Play right follow the Mechwarrior Online guys who know how to sell something to you without trying to trick you into it. Heck you can play that game forever without paying a penny and still have great fun!

 

Thankfully, BOS/BOM only tries to sell certain aircraft and but for a few wayward foibles (It`s not immediately obvious you can`t fly certain aircraft until you pay for it) - I can accept it.

 

Regardless, that`s my view and I`m sticking to it despite how many may feel hurt by my opinion.

Edited June 17, 2016 by seafireliv

[simplyjames]

I don't see why people would want to fly this plane. It seems like it would be boring after 1 mission. 

 

So on that note i'd pay $0. If it were free I'd fly it once to see what it was like. That's about it.

Edited June 17, 2016 by simplyjames

[LukeFF]

Its a thing that many people are interested in.

Not enough to warrant scarce development time or resources, or some developer would have modeled it long ago. Don't equate a relatively small group of vocal people clamoring for it on an internet forum with actual, genuine interest.

 

Until then, enjoy it in FSX.

[Dakpilot]

Seafire, I don't think anyone was hurt by you opinion 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited June 17, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Blitzen]

Of course the Tante Ju is flyable in the old Il-2...in fact several versions.They have been continually visually improved but they'll never be as nice as BoS's.They're are several campaigns like Merkur ( crete) that have recently become available ,but I haven't flown them so I have no idea whether one can effect a paratrooper drop or a supply drop.I doubt it ...but just don't know.I'm guessing the if pressed Studio 777 could come up with a mission usable bird with paratrooper clones in back, but it might take an enterprising & talented mission builder to do a useable & involving set of missions &/or campaign.Even with the aircraft we have now those sorts of 3rd party missions are very slow to come on the stage...

[Mac_Messer]

To answer op`s question directly, I`d pay 25$, which is how much I payed to get BoS. Now mind you, I`m thinking about the same "theater of ops pack" concept like it went to date. I would really like Ju52 to take one of the bomber flyables slots and still give me my two LW fighters. Wouldn`t make any difference for me since I already paid for He111, Pe-2, Ju-87 and IL2 and will never fly them anyway.

Where it stands now with the current game engine the Ju52 can't even be deployed in an appreciable scale in MP which is such a disservice to an aircraft that really, really played a pivotal role in this theater of war.

 

And you're right, McKvack - the He111 resupply flights can definitely be high-pressure pants-****ing fun... It's too bad nobody wants to open their eyes to that.

That is a big peoblem, you don`t have much of mp content that would bind the aircraft toghether in a war operation scenario. A flyable plane apart from being made and modelled into the game, it also needs to have a believable war background it could take part in.

 

Escort missions is what I do. Flew many escort missions where we never even met the enemy cap and still had lotsa fun cooperating with bomber guys.

 

A flyable Ju52 or Storch with good binding mp missions would surely enrich my experience as a virtual fighter pilot.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

Until then, enjoy it in FSX.

 

Sorry, Luke, but that's like telling somebody to go fly a K-4 in DCS... You know it's pointless. There's no actual content and there could be here.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[seafireliv]

Seafire, I don't think anyone was hurt by you opinion 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[DD_Arthur]

Seafire, I don't think anyone was hurt by you opinion 

 

 

 

 

I am. I'm in tears!    Remember, these days its my right  to be offended by other peoples opinions   

 

Oh yeah; for the OP - I'd be interested in buying plane-packs 'cause I have got more money than sense but it's really not a good idea in the long run.  Best way is planes + map and after the devs have recovered development costs they should be offering BoS/BoM as a single game in the $80 region 

 

Same goes for future expansions; recover development costs through EA and first year of release, then add to base game in the $80 region to encourage sales to casual players.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Very few people do create missions with the ME, very few do make skins and share them with help of the templates and skin viewer, very few do drive tanks around an enviroument unsuited for that type of combat...heck very few even fly bombers in MP or man gunner stations because they lack the coolness factor of fighters. And yet we have all those things and it's good to have them.

 

I'd rather pay for and enjoy a very unique aircraft such as the JU-52 than spending 80 bucks every year or 2 for copy and paste variants of existing aircrafts.

 

Nobody but the devs can and will make the final decision about this so any attempts to bring this topic to an end because one personaly does not like the aircraft is pointless and only reveals an ignorant and childish attitude.

Edited June 17, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[PatrickAWlson]

I'd pay between 15-20USD for an out-of-package aircraft that introduces variety into the gameplay.

 

The Tante, Storch, Hs123 and many others.

 

Everybody loves to be a fighter jock but it lacks any depth.

 

You make a good point.  Adding the plane is only part of it.  The next step is to add functionality to the sim to let the plane do interesting things.  For instance, porting in the artillery spot missions from RoF would be a nice addition with a plane like the Storch.

[Lusekofte]

Just spent BOS / BOM multiplied with 2 on DCS modules, so I guess I wold pay for a JU 52 if it got something to add to the game. If it is only to be another target practice I would ignore it if it was free.

That someone got a political reason for not buying it I do respect, but that does not mean anyone else wont buy it. A free enterprise living in a capitalist system can do what ever they want and take the consequences bad or good.

Personally I think a flyable JU 52 might be part in a future theatre like Mediterranean, then you can fly mine hunting swell as transport. Maybe with floats even