Please give me a reason to buy BOM

[NO_SQDeriku777]

I know it may be the summer doldroms but it is impossible to find populated servers when I get home from work in the U.S. around 19:00 EDT.  I really enjoy playing BOS but I am really on the fence on putting money into BOM if the server numbers stay where they are during after work 'prime time'.  I really hope the devs can do something to attract more U.S. players.  Without the critical mass for multi-player (chicken /egg) it becomes hard to grow this market. 

 

I really miss the old IL-2 days when I could always find a full server after a shitty day at work.  Maybe those days are over forever but still it is 8:30 PM and there are only 6 people total flying on ALL the servers shown in the server browser.  I can't bring myself to spend the money on BOM if things continue like this every week night.  Please make two planes free and give them out to all the War thunder players to switch to this game.  Please, for the love of God, don't make me go to Warthunder to get my multiplayer combat sim fix.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Funny I just logged off the most popular server (the only one with numbers US time zone), the reason. . . 3 vs 2.  

 

Then I saw this post.  Buddy, I try to fly this game almost everyday.  

 

There is no reason for you to buy.  Sorry to say that.  Maybe things will change in the future.  

[WokeUpDead]

Things are even worse in the Pacific timezone...

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

looks like all the real flight simmers have died, and retired.. too bad.. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Single player continues to be fun for me and the simulation aspect continues to be excellent. Online is seemingly another story... so if that's the focus for you it may or may not be worth it.

 

You could join the DBS organized multiplayer missions.

[Gambit21]

If I do pull the trigger on BOM, it will be for single player purposes.

[Nocke]

Reason no.1 to buy anything they sell would be for me to help keeping this alive. No. 2, I love it. Even for going online only once or twice a week for a small coop, like FNBF, or SNBF, for you over there...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

On Wednesdays and Saturdays there are US-time group missions with lots of players, using both Moscow and Stalingrad. The guys at 4./JG 52 and 19 GIAP are working to populate the NA zone to bring it to the same level as the European time zones. I'd say invest in it and help them out by showing up.

 

Also, the single player campaign feels much better in Battle of Moscow, and aircraft variety is excellent.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Because it is simply the BEST ww2 combat flight sim presently available in as far as flight dynamics and dmagae model, overall physics modelling goes...

[beepee]

Yeah the main reason for buying BOM would be to help support any future development.

 

There are some valid gripes some people have with certain parts of the game, but I agree with jcomm's statement above.

Edited June 8, 2016 by MF-beepee

[Brano]

looks like all the real flight simmers have died, and retired.. too bad..

Can't say anything about situation behind Big Lake but for sure on old continent we are not dead

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

In European evenings most of the time people on TS decide to join Wings of Liberty I end up sitting it out because the server is full.

[No601_Prangster]

If your focus is on flying multiplayer then the best solution is to join a squadron. That way you'll always have people to fly with.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

 

There is no reason for you to buy. Sorry to say that. Maybe things will change in the future.

What a great advocate you are for this title and this community. So there are few who plays online right now? Your solution: discourage people to buy the game. If things are to change in the future I would suggest that another stance would be more useful....

[Brano]

We are like Jedi knights. Few in numbers but the Force is strong with us :D

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

I know it may be the summer doldroms but it is impossible to find populated servers when I get home from work in the U.S. around 19:00 EDT. I really enjoy playing BOS but I am really on the fence on putting money into BOM if the server numbers stay where they are during after work 'prime time'. I really hope the devs can do something to attract more U.S. players. Without the critical mass for multi-player (chicken /egg) it becomes hard to grow this market.

 

I really miss the old IL-2 days when I could always find a full server after a shitty day at work. Maybe those days are over forever but still it is 8:30 PM and there are only 6 people total flying on ALL the servers shown in the server browser. I can't bring myself to spend the money on BOM if things continue like this every week night. Please make two planes free and give them out to all the War thunder players to switch to this game. Please, for the love of God, don't make me go to Warthunder to get my multiplayer combat sim fix.

There is only one way to increase the numbers mate, both for BoS and BoM; people gotta buy the games. Honestly that is the best reason I can give you.

[Lusekofte]

This game are on the right track, but it is only fun for a while it lack depth and purpose for daily usage. The way to go as is , for me at least is organized events like FNBF and SNBF ,the latter should suit you fine.

I think this game got potentials for huge development and only future decisions from the dev team or limitations to this game engine will prevent it.

I think VR compatibility will win a great deal over as for one

[Feathered_IV]

Slashing singleplayer functionality in favour of shallow e-sport dogfighting didn't help.  Offline was where new MP players were born.

[Jade_Monkey]

The Moscow map itself is a good reason. It hasnt received the praise it deserves . It's a lot nicer than the BOS map with much prettier and more diverse areas.

[KoN_]

I think BOM is over priced and has put quit a few people off , half price maybe would draw the crowds back . 

Remember this is still running the awful campaign system with the unlocks in place which ` i hate with a passion ` some like it though , all depends on what you like from BOS .

 

I would wait for sales if you only see few people on-line and you hate the campaign system  . 

 

On the other hand join a good Squad that are playing this regularly . Your be surprised how much fun you can get when working together with same like minded people . 

 

Edit  I love WWII history i was really looking forward to this title thinking it was going tobe like ROF with all the background on the Aces and missions that they flew in the real days ,  BUT these missions never came . 

Edited June 8, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[Lusekofte]

Slashing singleplayer functionality in favour of shallow e-sport dogfighting didn't help.  Offline was where new MP players were born.

 

 

Actually I do not think the BOM campaign is bad, it just does not last for ever. I hope for a career kind of ROF thingy. But I simply do not see it coming. But for me no matter how much or little I play it, BOM is worth the money. If you only enjoy it for 10 hours it is worth the money. Good quality for sure. 

I recommend anyone to buy it as long as it do not take away the food from the table.

I wish it all the best, but for me it is simply not sustainable for constant flying

[PatrickAWlson]

Work on the Moscow maps for PWCG will start soon.  Once that is done (speculating end of summer) you will be able to fly a continuous career from October 1941 to June 1943.

 

BoM planes have already been incorporated into PWCG.  They currently fly on the Stalingrad map.

 

Once again, doesn't help if you are an MP only player, but it might be a good reason for an SP player to buy BoM.

[KoN_]

Work on the Moscow maps for PWCG will start soon.  Once that is done (speculating end of summer) you will be able to fly a continuous career from October 1941 to June 1943.

 

BoM planes have already been incorporated into PWCG.  They currently fly on the Stalingrad map.

 

Once again, doesn't help if you are an MP only player, but it might be a good reason for an SP player to buy BoM.

Will i be able too unlock my weapons and skins through PWCG.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If you want the extra weapons buy premium, and use the user-created skins for PWCG and multiplayer. Most if not all skins are up in user-made versions.

 

So far this came is a sandbox that needs the user to say what you want from it. Want a DGen career? PWCG and Warhamm's career. Like different missins? Default campaign. Multiplayer coop? TAW 24/7 or scheduled events. Dogfight? Multiple servers. Dynamic MP? DED. Scripted campaign? Juri, Veteranen and other packs. It's there for everyone.

[Original_Uwe]

Problem is they went with a theater that is uninteresting for most of us (US).

I have to imagine that if we had Spits/thunderbolts/mustangs over Europe/Italy/North Africa there would be many more US players.

[PatrickAWlson]

Will i be able too unlock my weapons and skins through PWCG.

 

No.  That is tied into the 777 campaign.  If your interest is flying with a skin in a PWCG SP mission then it is not too much of a problem.  Recreate the skin as a user skin and then use it as any other user skin.  if you are playing SP only to unlock skins for online use then PWCG will not help.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

What a great advocate you are for this title and this community. So there are few who plays online right now? Your solution: discourage people to buy the game. If things are to change in the future I would suggest that another stance would be more useful....

Not my job to sale copies that the devs. Lol. It's their decisions that will help this game. Lol

[wtornado]

The old online players are still alive and watching  and waiting for us co-op builders to populate the server for them to come back again.

 

A lobby would of been better but a teamspeak server will have to do I guess.

 

Reminds me of the days we used ASE or All seeing Eye if you have been gaming or flight simming  long enough.

 

I wish ASE still existed it was better than what we have now...nothing.

 

It will take a while to pump out co-op missions with the current mission builder.

[wtornado]

They released CAP2 on steam for 32.99$ CDN.

 

BOM must be released soon at 50% off on Steam before I

lose control of my Steam wallet and accidentally buy CAP2.

 

 

MAYDAY MAYDAY!!!! Release BOM on special soon! 

Edited June 8, 2016 by WTornado

[WokeUpDead]

Slashing singleplayer functionality in favour of shallow e-sport dogfighting didn't help.  Offline was where new MP players were born.

 

That's very true.  I'm almost exclusively an online player now and in BOS I went straight to the servers, but I played the old IL2 offline in campaigns, single missions, even quick missions for months before I first played online.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Slashing singleplayer functionality in favour of shallow e-sport dogfighting didn't help.  Offline was where new MP players were born.

As a generality this is entirely true.

[NO_SQDeriku777]

There is only one way to increase the numbers mate, both for BoS and BoM; people gotta buy the games. Honestly that is the best reason I can give you.

 

It is probably easier to take that view when you live in a European Timezone.  I am reasonably sure that you have no trouble finding multi-player action (assuming you keep normal hours).  The fact is that things really suck for North American customers multi-player-wise.  I don't mean to be disrespectful but I feel this argument would carry more weight for me if you had plunked down the money for BOM and were not able to play it most weeknights because no one was playing on the servers when you got home from work.

 

More needs to be done to promote the game.  Give cheap 2 plane licenses to popular U.S-based flightsim Twitch streamers like TWB_Pand and others to give away on channel.  I am sure they have viewers from the War Thunder crowd.  The game cannot succeed in the U.S without a minimum level of critical mass for multi-player. 

 

The game is a superb technical achievement but until they find a way to get 50 plus people consistently playing on a major server during a week night during week day prime-time no one will jump on the bandwagon.  If the the major servers all start switching between BOS/BOM maps you going to have to stick a fork in the U.S. market as it is done.  Server populations will plummet as word gets around that new players will need to drop over $150 to be able to play on both maps without major constraints on plane-sets and that multi-player is a weekend only option.  The BOS/BOM maps should be each be sold with 2 planes each for a super cheap price like 10 bucks if you own the other game.  I would buy BOM and just the I-16 for $10 no problem.  If the multi-player situation improves I would be upgrading to full premium BOM like a shot. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by NO_SQDeriku777

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Just a thought though, I see so many American players complaining of the same issue (lack of players in their time zone) and it makes me wonder, why can't you get together and go online at, say, 1900 EDT?

 

I can positively say there are at least 30 in these boards who have complained of the same thing. It takes 8 players for a hot match on Fighting Legends, and 20 for Wings of Liberty/DED. There are a number of excellent NA squadrons out there, it's good to get in touch with them, get together and fly, even if as a guest rather than a member.

 

Try to establish a 'Happy Hour' every weekday and see how it goes, you'd definitely sense an improvement in the long run. Yes, Europeans have it easier but it can be done across the pond too. I'd be glad to help with the organisational side of it, so long as people want to do their share

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I my opinion BOM map should be free - because servers like WOL are locked only to BOS. There are not so many players overall in multiplayer and i have doubt that BOM will sell in numbers that in conseqence make fairly occupied server like WOL is now.

[NO_SQDeriku777]

Precisely!  I get the impression that Jason Williams has tried to gently nudge the folks that run the company into making more sensible decisions marketing wise.  I know that I am only one guy and that the $70 I don't spend on BOM Premium is not going to break the company.  I just think that the technical accomplishments of the game are not the WHOLE value of the game.  Intangibles like a growing and active multi-player community are really the thing that adds the most value.   Barriers to entry to the game like price should be reduced in order to grow the community.  People will buy more stuff if they enjoy a rich populated multi-player environment.  Good grief, even War Thunder gets that.  I am not advocating WT micro-transactions in any way.   Just common sense marketing.  Make the razor cheap and charge for the blades.  You don't have do go full DCS here but the two maps thing is going to be a huge problem if it is not handled properly.

 

 

I my opinion BOM map should be free - because servers like WOL are locked only to BOS. There are not so many players overall in multiplayer and i have doubt that BOM will sell in numbers that in conseqence make fairly occupied server like WOL is now.

[NO_SQDeriku777]

30 people, 3 timezones in the U.S.  When the Pacific people start it is my bed-time.  People often have obligations certain nights of the week.  We need to get well over 30 players to make it happen.  We haven't even gotten into the fact the most people in squads prefer to fly LW or VVS exclusively so balance is a problem.  We see that on Saturday bomber flights every week. Lop-sided teams, huge maps, and no-shows.  The more people you have the more these problems have a chance of being smoothed out.  Even though I don't belong to squad I do drop into TS and fly guest as a squad member.  These squads rarely get together anymore (except for weekends) because the server numbers are so bad now.

 

Just a thought though, I see so many American players complaining of the same issue (lack of players in their time zone) and it makes me wonder, why can't you get together and go online at, say, 1900 EDT?

I can positively say there are at least 30 in these boards who have complained of the same thing. It takes 8 players for a hot match on Fighting Legends, and 20 for Wings of Liberty/DED. There are a number of excellent NA squadrons out there, it's good to get in touch with them, get together and fly, even if as a guest rather than a member.

Try to establish a 'Happy Hour' every weekday and see how it goes, you'd definitely sense an improvement in the long run. Yes, Europeans have it easier but it can be done across the pond too. I'd be glad to help with the organisational side of it, so long as people want to do their share

Edited June 9, 2016 by NO_SQDeriku777

[beepee]

 

 

We need to get well over 30 players to make it happen

 

Why? I don't have much time to fly, but when I do I fly on a East Coast based U.S server.  Quite often it will only be myself and one or two others, but since the missions are well built there is ALWAYS something to do and fun to be had.

 

I am in in New Zealand by the way, so I have to fly in the middle of the day.

 

I guess it depends what you are expecting to do...full on Air-quake?  Or perhaps objective based co-op type missions?

 

Unfortunately it actually does require getting together with a group of people and organising times and creating your own hype to get the ball rolling.

 

That is how some of those TAW and Bomber nights etc happen, there are posts in these forums and people are pro-active about getting it started. It takes community involvement.

 

Basically, what I am trying to say is Do It Yourself. Whining about the situation and  waiting for other people to do it all for you or expecting a company to lower a price so you can get a better deal is just plain lazy.

[KG200_Volker]

My dime...

 

Two main reasons imho that make BoS/BoM flying low instead of of high, and Its a pitty because it deserves to go high. ( and I ve post this again)

 

1.Lack of Hyper Lobby or anything equilavent.

 

2.Hardnes for creating simple coop/dogfight missions.

 

The first makes it very hard for players to come together, start a coop mission, and in general cuminicate easily and live. Game chat and forum are not the way to go, they are good but for other purposes.

 

The second deprives the oprotunity to fly for fun a single mission with friends, with or without human opponents, and the creation of online wars that were the best flyers (customers) atracker in IL2. No matter how good the SP is, no matter how good a campaign might get, the feeling of flying against humans in an online war is unsurpassed. I dont have the numbers but I am almost certain that all SPlayers, if they have the oprotunity will join and fly in an online war at some point. And when they do its vey hard to fly alone any more.

 

The good thing about this kind of wars was that apart from your personal or squadrons stats you had the feeling that you where participating to something bigger, your actions, your squadrons actions had an effect on all flyers of your side, the feeling of continuity and the need of improvement kept you flying again and again.

 

There are some very good attempts by DED (http://72ag-ded.ru/en/) and TACTICAL AIR WAR (http://taw.stg2.de/) guys, but still ground needs to be covered. I know that this is another burden on the shoulders of devs, but unfortunately for them they are the only ones that can do it. I hope that there's no legal obligations by 777 that keeps them for not doing it.

 

Conclusion, them current FMB is far more capable than the one in original IL2 but very hard to work with. A secondary one that has simple options for fast created coops or dogfights would be essential.

 

In order to use this missions some kind, if not the actual one, of Hypper Lobby is needed. In return its a sure thing online wars will come back and with them more flyers, and servers won't look so empty.

[beepee]

Hi Volker.

 

On your points above:
 

 

1.Lack of Hyper Lobby or anything equilavent.

 

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12832-bos-launcher/  -  This is close to hyperlobby (without the Co-Op side), but not many used it (or so it seemed when I ran it).

 

 

2.Hardnes for creating simple coop/dogfight missions.

 

 

It you are willing to spend the time to follow all the tutorials available you can create simple missions.

 

There are a few tutorials floating around YouTube and then there is this: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/17721-prangsters-il-2-bos-mission-building-guide/

 

If you follow it step by step it makes sense.

[wtornado]

Just a thought though, I see so many American players complaining of the same issue (lack of players in their time zone) and it makes me wonder, why can't you get together and go online at, say, 1900 EDT?

 

I can positively say there are at least 30 in these boards who have complained of the same thing. It takes 8 players for a hot match on Fighting Legends, and 20 for Wings of Liberty/DED. There are a number of excellent NA squadrons out there, it's good to get in touch with them, get together and fly, even if as a guest rather than a member.

 

Try to establish a 'Happy Hour' every weekday and see how it goes, you'd definitely sense an improvement in the long run. Yes, Europeans have it easier but it can be done across the pond too. I'd be glad to help with the organisational side of it, so long as people want to do their share

I am in Canada with a high speed fiber optic 30mb/sec download and 10mb/sec upload and over 30 players I get kicked off WoL due to a high ping.

 

There cannot be too many players or I get kicked anyways. 

 

My line is pretty good and above average in North America as far as speed goes.