What do you guys believe...

[Livai]

I think Battle of Kursk could be the next one. I like very huge tank battles and we can now control tanks! Where tanks are there are planes not far. It was said that the greatest tank battle in history might have ended differently had it not been for the action in the air. There was a huge air battle, indeed.

 

Tanks that take part; "Tiger, King Tiger...........................

Planes that take part; "He-111, Henschel 129 B-1, Fw-190 A-5, Ju-87 G-1, IL-4 ..............................

 

BTW  the medium bomber IL-4 sounds good to drop 2500kg bombs over Germans objective........

Edited June 2, 2016 by Superghostboy

[Asgar]

no Tiger B at Kurst. the first one was produced in November of '43

also this game is called IL-2 not T-34. tanks are a nice gimmick but nothing more. 99% of the people are here for the planes

Edited June 2, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[BraveSirRobin]

So you think those mentioned planes would take the same amount of time like doing Bf109's, Bf110's, Stukas, Ju-88's, P40's, Macchis for North Africa for example? Or making 10 new planes for Africa and using the existing ones also for variety.

It may take the group directly working on them longer, but that doesn't impact what other groups are working on. I'd be surprised if we get duplicate planes in a new Africa map . At this point I'm not sure how they're going to deal with the issue of duplicate planes.

[Cpt_Cool]

When I think of Kursk, I think of tank battle. I would want the "Battle of Kursk" to focus a bit on the tank warfare (even with IL-2 in the name).  Otherwise, I just dont see how it could be fresh enough to interest me.  From an air perspective, Kursk is at the bottom of my wishlist at the moment.  Tanks would be outside-the-box enough to get me excited though.

 

 

It may take the group directly working on them longer, but that doesn't impact what other groups are working on. I'd be surprised if we get duplicate planes in a new Africa map . At this point I'm not sure how they're going to deal with the issue of duplicate planes.

 

PTO : )

[Sokol1]

Nah, Battle of Kursk with 20 tanks on each side... Go for Kuban and their mountains, rivers, sea...  

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Or somewhere else with more sea, more mountains, jungle and sea turtles

[Guest deleted@50488]

Kursk sounds like a very plausible outcome then :-)

 

I'll have to Google for "Battle of Kursk"... I am really an illiterate regarding War.... even Air War....

[Asgar]

no. Kuban is the plausible way to go

[Guest deleted@50488]

Kuban?  Where the heck is that ?

 

Cuba ?  :-)

[707shap_Srbin]

Kuban?  Where the heck is that ?

 

Cuba ?  :-)

Kuban - it is ti East from USA, in general.

[707shap_Srbin]

I think Battle of Kursk could be the next one. I like very huge tank battles and we can now control tanks! Where tanks are there are planes not far. It was said that the greatest tank battle in history might have ended differently had it not been for the action in the air. There was a huge air battle, indeed.

 

Tanks that take part; "Tiger, King Tiger...........................

Planes that take part; "He-111, Henschel 129 B-1, Fw-190 A-5, Ju-87 G-1, IL-4 ..............................

 

BTW  the medium bomber IL-4 sounds good to drop 2500kg bombs over Germans objective........

 

Sicily, july 1943.

Battle of Gela. Tiger tanks vs landing americans.

 

Bf109G-6,

MC.205

Fw190A-5

Bf110G-2

Do-217 or SM.79

 

Spitfire Mk.IX

P-40F

P-38F

A-36 Apache (mustang)

B-26 or A-20 or B-25

[Jade_Monkey]

Sicily, july 1943.

Battle of Gela. Tiger tanks vs landing americans.

 

Bf109G-6,

MC.205

Fw190A-5

Bf110G-2

Do-217 or SM.79

 

Spitfire Mk.IX

P-40F

P-38F

A-36 Apache (mustang)

B-26 or A-20 or B-25

Yes, thank you!

[Guest deleted@50488]

Hmmm but such a Battle would call for nice 3d Vessel models... That can be a LOT of work...

[Asgar]

Sicily, july 1943.

Battle of Gela. Tiger tanks vs landing americans.

 

Bf109G-6,

MC.205

Fw190A-5

Bf110G-2

Do-217 or SM.79

 

Spitfire Mk.IX

P-40F

P-38F

A-36 Apache (mustang)

B-26 or A-20 or B-25

i would be ok with that

[707shap_Srbin]

Reference for Battle of Sicily.

https://yadi.sk/d/ChQWmfHyj7c3g

 

Planeset, images, maps e.t.c.

Guys - If we will have Battle of Kursk, we will have no Bf110G-2! Because there will be Ju87D-5 or the most probably Hs129B-2.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

But then we get no Kobrik!

 

Couldn't they do Kursk with the Bf-110G-2 and the Hs-129B-2? The Ju-88 and He-111 are already there, so you could do away with the level bombers. And then we get a Cobra with a neat 37mm cannon to bring down the Henschels

[Asgar]

honestly i don't care what you do as long as you can get me my Me 410 and some 109s with 13mm and 30mm armament. (which could possibly translate into some 13mm modifications for the Ju-88 and Heinkel

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I have to say, that if it was Kursk, I might hesitate buying. Landscape is just so boring there...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

For the record, the steppes in South-western Russia and Eastern Ukraine are actually very pretty in real life. Endless rolling golden fields, punctuated by hills, villages and rivers. It's very pleasant to fly over or watch them pass from the train window

 

That being said, this is more of a looker:

 

 

This is near Gelendzhik, Kuban.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I have to say, that if it was Kursk, I might hesitate buying. Landscape is just so boring there...

 

Yep 'green' map....not something that is going to fill me with joy. I want to see a large body of water and torpedoes so Kuban, Med, Leningrad or Murmansk would be awesome 

Edited June 2, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Emil

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Panzerbar, imo your propositions are nice except for P-38F. Should be at least early P-38G. By mid 1943 P-38 G-10s or G-15s were rolling our of factories.

 

And generally speaking, I think you should put your proposition together. Select area for map, limit the borders and put some marks of more important events happening around. Dont be scared to write some historical introduction and present specific scenarios, even if it wont happen you will at least learn more than you knew before.

You may take a look at what I did : http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/22652-il-2-battle-new-guinea/

 

If you want to drag Devs attention (BlackSix especially) than you may do it in professional way mate 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

we will have no Bf110G-2! Because there will be Ju87D-5 or the most probably Hs129B-2.

 

Yeah, I'm mostly OK with that.

[707shap_Srbin]

Panzerbar, imo your propositions are nice except for P-38F. Should be at least early P-38G. By mid 1943 P-38 G-10s or G-15s were rolling our of factories.

 

Only P-38F's were engaged over Sicily during summer 1943. No G's.

I've sent it already to Devs, 6 month ago.

[Lusekofte]

I would be happy if we got Caucasus map,  same period as Stalingrad. There where fighting there also. and BIG mountains  

[unreasonable]

Yep 'green' map....not something that is going to fill me with joy. I want to see a large body of water and torpedoes so Kuban, Med, Leningrad or Murmansk would be awesome 

 

Torpedoes would be great, especially if they were carried by a really great aircraft:

 

[Asgar]

where is it? i can't see a real great aircraft

 

I'm gonna have to assume you mean this one:

Edited June 2, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[707shap_Srbin]

Yeah, I'm mostly OK with that.

 

Edited June 2, 2016 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Kursk can be done later as a DLC.

[Saurer]

Would the planeset for kursk and the Kuban differ much? Could atwo in one be possible since for kursk there is only a summer map necessary?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

In theory yes, except for the Spitfire for the Allied side as it was used in Kuban only.

 

It would probably be Il-2 (two-seater), A-20/Il-4, P-39 (any from D to N), La-5F/LaGG-3 (vastly improved versions), and maybe a Yak-9 instead of the Spitfire? Axis would stay the same I suppose.

[707shap_Srbin]

Kuban battle:

 

Stab./JG3 with Bf109G-4

II./JG3 with Bf109G-2 and G-4 (late builded G-2's with new Radiosets and larger mainwheels didnt differ from G-4)

III./JG3 with Bf109G-4

Stab./JG52 with Bf109G-4

I./JG52 with Bf109G-2 only

II./JG52 with Bf109G-2 and G-4

III./JG52 with Bf109G-2 and G-4

13.(Slow.)/JG52 with Bf109G-2 and G-4

15.(Kroat)/JG52 with Bf109G-2

 

Schl.G.1 with Fw190A-5's / Fw190F-3's

3 Staffeln of Hs129B-1/2 mostly with MK101.

 

He111H-6 and Ju88A-4 for bombers.

 

So, only 2 new aircrafts for Blue side - Fw190A-5 and Hs129B. Thats why Kuban is 100% impossible to do. Simply no new aircrafts to do, so nothing to sell to pilots.

 

For Kursk picture is different - Axis have 100% new aircrafts to modell and sell to user - Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5, Hs129B, Bf110G-2 and He111H-16 (yeah, with MG131 one ).

In theory yes, except for the Spitfire for the Allied side as it was used in Kuban only.

 

Spitfires Mk,V were very combat weared aircraft, wich were secondhanded from RAF, and were naturally flying coffins. With narrow "messer-like" gear, messed with water-filledd grass frontline airfields, this aircraft was very unpopular among soviet pilots. And after Battle over Blue line, last survived Spits were removed from frontline unit.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I thought there were Bf-109G-6s being introduced closer to summer, thanks for the interesting information.

 

I agree that those old Mk. V were nothing but rubbish - their theoretical inclusion would only be to please those who ask for Western aircraft.

 

They could still make Kursk for the main campaign and throw a Kuban map in the vein of Velikiye Luki though, considering that it is the perfect map for just about all aircraft present in game.

 

That way one could create a moving server covering most of the war until 1943 - October 1941, Kharkov. Moscow from the end of October 1941 until March 1942. In May 1942, second battle of Kharkov. In summer 1942, battle for Kalach. In Autumn 1942, the German offensive during the battle of the Caucasus. In Winter 1942/1943, Stalingrad. Spring 1943, Kuban. Summer 1943, Kursk.

Edited June 2, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell

[707shap_Srbin]

Yes, no Bf109G-6 for april-june 1943 over Kuban (and for whole Eastern Front actually). First G-6's appeared on OStfront on mid-late june 1943, just prior to Battle of Kursk.

 

You must keep in mind, that Velikije Luki map was made not by Devs, but by a community members.

 

P.S. Spits were in 57 giap, of 216 sad After month of mighting, 57 giap was recalled from front to retrain on P-39.

[707shap_Srbin]

where is it? i can't see a real great aircraft

 

 

 

 

This ship:

 

 

 

 

 

consider Swordfish as a real torpedoe-carrier

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

And Fairey Fulmar as a real fighter :/

 

I'm gonna stick to my Zero

[707shap_Srbin]

 

That way one could create a moving server covering most of the war until 1943 - October 1941, Kharkov. Moscow from the end of October 1941 until March 1942. In May 1942, second battle of Kharkov. In summer 1942, battle for Kalach. In Autumn 1942, the German offensive during the battle of the Caucasus. In Winter 1942/1943, Stalingrad. Spring 1943, Kuban. Summer 1943, Kursk.

 

Those battles of Kharkov were raged to South-West from sity, and main battle areas will be out op Kursk map.

[Asgar]

Yes, no Bf109G-6 for april-june 1943 over Kuban (and for whole Eastern Front actually). First G-6's appeared on OStfront on mid-late june 1943, just prior to Battle of Kursk.

 

You must keep in mind, that Velikije Luki map was made not by Devs, but by a community members.

 

P.S. Spits were in 57 giap, of 216 sad After month of mighting, 57 giap was recalled from front to retrain on P-39.

well, Kuban was held by the Germans until October '43 if i'm not mistaken. I see no problem in having G-6s in a Kuban scenario

[DD_Arthur]

could still make Kursk for the main campaign and throw a Kuban map in the vein of Velikiye Luki though, considering that it is the perfect map for just about all aircraft present in game.

 

That way one could create a moving server covering most of the war until 1943 - October 1941, Kharkov. Moscow from the end of October 1941 until March 1942. In May 1942, second battle of Kharkov. In summer 1942, battle for Kalach. In Autumn 1942, the German offensive during the battle of the Caucasus. In Winter 1942/1943, Stalingrad. Spring 1943, Kuban. Summer 1943, Kursk.

 

Oh lordy.  I'm feeling sleepy already.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

P.S. Spits were in 57 giap, of 216 sad After month of mighting, 57 giap was recalled from front to retrain on P-39.

 

That was a very unfortunate chapter for sure. Even when 57 GIAP pilots tamed the aircraft, friendly fire was there to ruin the day.

 

Those battles of Kharkov were raged to South-West from sity, and main battle areas will be out op Kursk map.

 

In that case Moscow can last for longer, starting earlier and sticking around to include the Spring 1942 Rzhev operations.

 

well, Kuban was held by the Germans until October '43 if i'm not mistaken. I see no problem in having G-6s in a Kuban scenario

 

Technically yes, and there was action raging all the way until the end of the battle, but the major air actions were in Spring. Either way if you add Fw-190A-5, Bf-109G-6 and Hs-129B-2, you need to come up with two more aircraft for the Axis side.

 

Oh lordy.  I'm feeling sleepy already.

 

Good night then, there are still people playing

Edited June 2, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell

[ShamrockOneFive]

Kursk sounds like a very plausible outcome then :-)

 

I'll have to Google for "Battle of Kursk"... I am really an illiterate regarding War.... even Air War....

 

Definitely read up on it. Kursk is, after Stalingrad, the biggest turning point in the war in the east. Moscow was the first spot where the German offensive was held, Stalingrad was where an entire German army was broken trying to take the city, and Kursk was the all out titanic conflict between nearly everything the Germans and Russians could muster in a bid to truly win the war. Everything that happened after Kursk was because of the outcome of that battle right up to the capture of Berlin. If it had gone the other way then the outcome may have been different.

 

That's all probably a little melodramatic but it is safe to say that Kursk was one of the biggest battles ever fought with combined air and land operations. It was characterized by a huge clash of tanks, artillery and air power in a relatively small geographical region.

 

Kuban?  Where the heck is that ?

 

Cuba ?  :-)

 

Kuban is a river that feeds into the black sea. The area is sandwiched between Georgia and Crimea and maybe only a few hours drive south of Stalingrad. Though not as concentrated as Kursk, the conflict near the Kuban river was a big one for the air forces. It's also a place where a lot of lend lease types were used by the Russians - so it wasn't unusual to see P-39s, Spitfire Vs and P-40s operating in this area alongside Yaks, LaGGs, and IL-2s. Some of the fighting was also done in the Sea of Azov and the Black Sea so both sides employed torpedo bombers.

 

Everyone was also scrambling for a IAR-80/81 premium fighter and this could be a good place for it seeing as the Romanian forces were involved here too.