What do you guys believe...

[beepee]

I believe it will be more Eastern Front.

 

And they will get my money.

[Dakpilot]

For many reasons it is easier (time and budget) for a Russian dev team to research an Eastern front scenario, even one with lend lease p-39 and Spitfires etc.

 

I would still be happy to be proved wrong with an unexpected Med or Pacific twist though 

 

Kuban (Sea and mountains. long running large tactical air war)) with the ability to also utilise almost all 20 aircraft (+ vehicles etc.) from previous releases and maybe some backwards compatibility to BoS/BoM maps, makes most sense to me..

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

If you go by official skins already released, I think the first "out of Russia" theater will be MTO or North Africa.  IMO though I don't think they are ready to go there yet due to the need for more non-Russian aircraft.

 

The best bet I see is a combined Battle of Kuban/Kursk (BOKK).  This would involve only two summer maps, one to cover Kuban during April-June 1943 and one to cover Kursk during July-August 1943.  The plane set could cover both and include some lend lease such as the P-39, Hurricane and/or Spitfire.

 

After BOKK the plane set would be developed enough to go to North Africa or Italy.

[Bando]

Whatever some say in this thread, I believe this team has made the best WW2 sim ever made.

So, whatever their next project is, I'll support it.

[Flynco]

I think now we have some good maps so before having a new chapter could get the individual planes such as Spitfire Mustang 262 Corsair me then my favorite P40 TOMAHAWK and though of course maybe it's a very challenging B17

[Scarecrow]

Most seem to think it'll be Eastern Front and I agree it probably will be. To be honest I'd like them to do everything now, every WWII theater then Korea and Vietnam by the end of 2017.

 

I'm a DCS WWII backer and I don't think it, when it gets released early 2018, is ever gonna be as good an experience as IL2 Sturmovik is now 

Edited May 28, 2016 by Scarecrow

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Stick, the Kuban/Kursk mix is a pretty great idea. I only see two problems with it - one, the Spitfire (Hurries were all in the North, or in the PVO by then) lasted only a short while in the frontlines, and that was over Kuban, not Kursk. Two, making a campaign for both would be demanding.

 

They did make a campaign for Stalingrad twice of course, and in this case both maps are in summer which radically decreases the workload. The Allied a/c would have to be the P-39, an actual two-seater Il-2 (not the monster with a hole carved in it we have right now) plus probably an A-20/Il-4 and then a Spitfire and La-5F.

 

With these additions the Soviet aircraft selection would be amazing, in both variety and capability, and the Germans can also get cool stuff like the Hs-129.

[DCAL4]

Honestly though I'm looking more forward to a engine rework rather than a new scenario although it's not clear yet if this is ever going to happen. The Moscow map is quite nice but with a better engine it could be filled with more details and units bringing it alive.

This^....I am curious how much room there is for upgrading and improving the existing engine. Can it move to DX12 or Vulcan? How limited is it for improving physics, features, lighting, code? I am very happy with most everything so far but I want to see this thing expand for many years, and improve while doing it.

 

As far as expansions, what I hope for is Africa----> Mediterranean---->Pacific

What we will probably get is one to three more Eastern Front before we see any of the other stuff. I don't mind seeing more of the Eastern Front stuff but I think it would be sound business for them to tell the community ahead of time what the first non eastern front expansion will be, even if it is a few expansions out. Personally speaking, if I knew they announced/confirmed they were going to release any one or more of Africa----> Mediterranean---->Pacific after a few more Eastern Front, it would guarantee my purchase of whatever expansions they release in the interim to support the game so it gets to that point.

Edited May 28, 2016 by DCAL

[Picchio]

They did make a campaign for Stalingrad twice of course

 

Uh, not exactly...

 

Anyway, if I could ask for a new theatre it would be the Med...

But! I would rather see new technologies first, especially a much more meaningful campaign design... that's a lot more important than any possible change in time or area of operations.

Edited May 28, 2016 by Picchio

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

What I mean is, they made a campaign for Stalingrad in winter, and a smaller one set in summer/autumn

 

But then again, Kursk/Kuban were both major theatres and which involved a lot of major operations. Doing both might be too tall an order.

[Livai]

You just sitting here scratching your head, wondering what's next... Maybe there is no next. Who knows? All can happend. 

We can just be happy what they already gave us. All other things is written in the stars........

 

Did anyone balanced on a very thin ice because this is what I believe that the things what we want to see someday is just a thin ice that can anytime break apart. I wait til I see!      

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

You just sitting here scratching your head, wondering what's next... Maybe there is no next. Who knows? All can happend. 

We can just be happy what they already gave us. All other things is written in the stars........

 

Did anyone balanced on a very thin ice because this is what I believe that the things what we want to see someday is just a thin ice that can anytime break apart. I wait til I see!      

 

 

 

All indications are that there will be more to come. BlackSix recently said on the Russian forums that the next theater is being chosen and will probably be announced sooner than later (maybe weeks than months but not sure).

[BraveSirRobin]

"Dear Pilots,  Today we are pleased to announce our next chapter to the series titled "More of the Same"

 

In this the latest addition, there will be a map of somewhere (it really doesn't matter) and the addition of eight new aircraft, the identity of which we will reveal in the coming weeks.  Rest assured however, their shapes may vary slightly but they will do exactly the same sort of things as the ones you have now - just a little bit faster or a little bit slower.  In addition there will a further two cool new aircraft available for our Premium customers.  One of which will be lacking in relevance, and the other lacking in performance.  Can you guess which ones they are?

 

Other features that you have come to know will remain unchanged.  That guy in the main menu will continue to weld the #@*$! out of that piece of plywood or aluminium, and the AI will continue to say the same two things over and over again.

 

FM Changes

Our team is working hard on refining the performance of new and existing aircraft, and Luftwaffe fans can look forward to an exciting rollercoaster of changes as we strive to create FM's that are more in tune with your egos.

 

Singleplayer

We acknowledge that the singleplayers are the majority and the mainstay of any flight simulation.  That is why we have improved our campaign system by totally changing the colours of some of the arrows on the map screen.  Missions will now be more exiting too, as the Action Point will now be labelled Action Point! to increase immersion.

 

Dynamic Weather

We remain strongly committed to working with third party content.  Players can now experience dynamic weather by pausing the game and looking out the window.

 

Multiplayer!

Multiplayer gameplay will also remain unchanged, with a whole new series of loadouts for the server admins to lock.

 

We hope you will enjoy More of the Same.  Preorders will soon commence and prices will be $79.99 in the US, $115 in Australia, and 10 roubles in the Motherland."

 

 

If you don't like WW2 air combat sims there are some pretty good space combat sims on the market.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Whatever it will be, I think I'll buy - after all, il-2 is the only sim I use that makes me feel like flying for real....

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Battle of Finland...

Edited May 29, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff

[Lusekofte]

I believe............... we got enough topics like this already

[Rjel]

If it is going to be another Eastern front map set in generally the same time frame with the same plane set, then perhaps a couple of maps and some AI airplanes to flesh out what's been missing and a premium plane or two would be a better direction to go. Maybe quicker to market with a lower price point. Then hopefully, we could on move to another theater in the next installment.

 

@ Feathered..... ouch. Funny, but dang, you caught me off guard with that one.

[taffy2jeffmorgan]

The Devs must have plans for the future of this brilliant flight sim, and there is no real reason why they cannot divulge what these plans will be, it will also help to kerb all the speculation !!  

[ShamrockOneFive]

The Devs must have plans for the future of this brilliant flight sim, and there is no real reason why they cannot divulge what these plans will be, it will also help to kerb all the speculation !!  

 

BlackSix, one of the devs said this recently.

 

 

It is likely that before the end of May we will determine and report it as “everything is OK, we have decided.”

Because for the full announcement is necessary to prepare a bunch of materials and it is desirable to open a pre-order immediately, but this time.

 

If the pattern holds from what they did with Battle of Moscow... They will announce the next iteration along with map description and the aircraft list all at once and probably open things up for pre-order.

 

Sounds like final decisions are being made and materials will be prepared. Then we'll see what they have in store

[BlitzPig_EL]

While I would like to see the Med, I pretty much agree it will be more of the same, probably Kuban. 

 

I also must say the Finland would be very interesting as well, but that would require many, many, new aircraft to be modeled.   Can't see that happening, though the chance to fly a Brewster, Hawk 75, or I-153 is very alluring.

Edited May 29, 2016 by BlitzPig_EL

[Sokol1]

"Dear Pilots,  

 

Edited May 29, 2016 by Sokol1

[VonMarts]

I would like" Il2 Battle forLeningrad" part1 then part 2 and then part 3 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

 

 

I also must say the Finland would be very interesting as well, but that would require many, many, new aircraft to be modeled.   Can't see that happening, though the chance to fly a Brewster, Hawk 75, or I-153 is very alluring.

 

 

We'll probably see a I-153 down the line since the developers are in close touch with Barsuk and even published an interview on it during the first developer diaries.

 

I'm not sure Finland/Leningrad would be that much of a stretch. If you make it 1942-3, then Finland can have the Hawk, Buffalo and Bf-109G-6 or M.S. 406, while the Soviets can get the I-153, the Hurricane Mk. II and the second-hand Airacobra I. The ground-attack arms could get a float plane each plus a bomber, perhaps capture SBs for Finland and the DB-3 for the Soviet Union. All aircraft have a decent amount of documentation available, and some still have a handful of airworthy models whose owners and pilots can be consulted.

Edited May 29, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell

[-TBC-AeroAce]

No one seems to mention siege of Sevastopol or does that come under Kuban?

Edited May 29, 2016 by AeroACE

[Aap]

I think that Leningrad of Finland or "Battle of the North" would be a good way to go. 

 

Not only would it complete out Eastern Front nicely, as Leningrad was one of the main objectives of Operation Barbarossa, along with Moscow and Stalingrad, it would be good building block when going forward in general.

By doing Leningrad, we already have lots of content ready for it in terms of planes. Moscow and Stalingrad planes can be used here, so it adds variety (instead of going towards late war and making current planes obsolete). The new planes that they would model (for example G50, Blenheim, Do 17, Hurricane, A20) could later be used as building blocks for North Africa. Also Gulf of Finland and Murmansk (why let a map go waste that has already been worked on) brings us sea and new type of missions. This experience will also help later on with Africa, Mediterranean, Kuban, eventually Pacific). 

 

In general, if the devs have a vision of getting close in content with the original IL2 in five years, would need to think in which order to build things to add variety and content with optimal resources. So even if Pacific could be something really new, it could mean that time to market is longer and the resources would be spent on modeling planes, so no resources left to develop the game itself - advanced campaign modes, multiplayer Co-op modes etc. If building on something that you have foundation already, could also spend some of the resources on developing the game itself. So once you go to Pacific for example, would not need to think of these other things that would have been honed out by that time.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Nope, that's a chapter of its own, and a very interesting and heroic one. Crimea is gorgeous geographically, much like Kuban.

 

The only problem there is the plane set - it would intersect a lot with both Moscow and Stalingrad. You could get earlier Yak-1 and LaGG-3 variants out of it, and perhaps a I-153, but that would kind of be a Stalingrad re-run.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Nope, that's a chapter of its own, and a very interesting and heroic one. Crimea is gorgeous geographically, much like Kuban.

 

The only problem there is the plane set - it would intersect a lot with both Moscow and Stalingrad. You could get earlier Yak-1 and LaGG-3 variants out of it, and perhaps a I-153, but that would kind of be a Stalingrad re-run.

 

 

Maybe could be low DEV utilities cost add on.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Nope, that's a chapter of its own, and a very interesting and heroic one. Crimea is gorgeous geographically, much like Kuban.

 

The only problem there is the plane set - it would intersect a lot with both Moscow and Stalingrad. You could get earlier Yak-1 and LaGG-3 variants out of it, and perhaps a I-153, but that would kind of be a Stalingrad re-run.

 

The other side of that campaign is kind of interesting too as the Crimea gets cut off and there's an evacuation by German and Romanian forces away from Sevastopol in 44.

[gn728]

I think if they are sticking with the $80 for 10 AC format , I think, from a marketing standpoint, mostly new airframes, regardless of theater, would be the way to go. (but that's just me..)

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Oh, there is another thread of this kind My favorite. Can dream all day long and it costs me nothing

 

 

 

Personally speaking, if I knew they announced/confirmed they were going to release any one or more of Africa----> Mediterranean---->Pacific after a few more Eastern Front, it would guarantee my purchase of whatever expansions they release in the interim to support the game so it gets to that point.

Nobody would guarantee  you something like that. I'm no developer, never even run business but if my studies and life experience tells me something, then no gaming company makes such a long term plans and commitments. Market is changing on daily basis and adapting to those changes is necessary. 

 

 

 

If you don't like WW2 air combat sims there are some pretty good space combat sims on the market.

I think you misunderstood what Feathered_IV said ... it was a joke. If you cant react properly to the jokes, then dont react at all. 

 

 

Contrary to expectations of the most (or wishes) I dont think it will be Eastern Front. The real competitors for that Front left is either Kuban or Kursk. Both are good and solid propositions, one also delivers a completely new type of landscapes. But in terms of aircraft ... it's more Yaks, 109s, 190s. Of course later models, of course better performing but same to the principle. 

I have a feeling we will either move south to the warm and beautiful Italy or far far to the Pacific for a very different type of combat. 

[wtornado]

If you don't like WW2 air combat sims there are some pretty good space combat sims on the market.

But I do I just want the old WWII gaming multiplayer structure not their new way of doing.

 

At 99.99$ CDN a pop I am not investing more in what i don't want what I have I can keep

and be satisfied for the price and content I paid.

 

I have an AURORA  MR in your ''pretty good'' space sim and for the first time I have joined

a Space league or sqdn depending on just how big it is growing with over 234 members

 

I can space jump now that is fun although I do miss the bouncing around on take-off in my ship.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I have a feeling we will either move south to the warm and beautiful Italy or far far to the Pacific for a very different type of combat. 

Definetly with you on the pacific. Sth like this + aircraft carriers and I'm sold already!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58CE_Yu1vs

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Maybe could be low DEV utilities cost add on.

 

In theory yes but I think the return would be relatively low since there wouldn't be much new in terms of fighter aircraft.

 

All the main German types from 1941 until the end of 1942 have been covered, and on the Soviet side the situation is similar minus the I-153 and that small window of time between 11/1941 and 05/1942 when the Yak-1 and LaGG-3 were properly deployed in big numbers. Even if you threw in a DB-3, SB or Su-2 there, with one or two Romanian types for the Axis, the plane set would be Stalingrad give or take one. It feels redundant.

 

The other side of that campaign is kind of interesting too as the Crimea gets cut off and there's an evacuation by German and Romanian forces away from Sevastopol in 44.

 

That would indeed be a fantastic campaign.

 

Ideally speaking, if they get a map where Kuban and Crimea are together, the possibilities would be out of this world. The official campaign could cover the Kuban Bridgehead campaign from January until October 1943, until the Kerch landings in November and the ensuing battles to keep those beachheads under control by the Red Army.

 

Then players would be able to recreate online and through SP missions the 1941-1942 Crimean campaign until summer, then the Caucasus campaign (Operation Blue) until winter, the aforementioned 1943 battles, and finally the 1944 Crimean operation. Many of the Soviet aircraft employed were 1942-1943 models, including our Yak-1, despite it being 1944. It would be a blast, and considering the air wars and campaigns going on here one could go crazy with the coops following the battles all the way to the Caucasus and back.

[Jade_Monkey]

The Murmansk map was already WIP, so it would be easier to take over than starting from scratch (?).

It's probabky more complicated than that though.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Definetly with you on the pacific. Sth like this + aircraft carriers and I'm sold already!

Ye, the scenery is a lot different. Reefs, islands, sand and jungle. High humidity and bugs. 

And completely different type of air combat with different type of targets

 

Will see !

[SC_Manu653]

Lucas your mail is full !

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Definetly with you on the pacific. Sth like this + aircraft carriers and I'm sold already!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58CE_Yu1vs

 

That looks sooooo budget compared to what  we have in this sim

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Try again now, Manu

[BraveSirRobin]

But I do I just want the old WWII gaming multiplayer structure not their new way of doing.

 

Keep playing IL2 1946 if you still enjoy it. Other than that, I have no idea what you are talking about. Did the old way not involve shooting things down or blowing things up?

[DCAL4]

Nobody would guarantee  you something like that. I'm no developer, never even run business but if my studies and life experience tells me something, then no gaming company makes such a long term plans and commitments. Market is changing on daily basis and adapting to those changes is necessary.

 

Very true, it is certainly wishful thinking on my part. I am in for purchasing every edition they release but it would be motivating to know they intend to branch into those theatres. Plans can change though so I understand why they can't jump that far ahead.