What do you guys believe...

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I think they should not do a new BOX for the mean time!

I think they should have a couple working on small aircraft packs to get some income and put the full force of the devs into upgrading the dx, streamlining the game to make it run efficiency. Then make box when they have achieved the later.

The reason I say this is because I believe that the game may become obsolete in the not to distant future because of things like vr. Once vr is established im sure it will only be a matter of time before another team does ww2, hell even this team if they cant upgrade bos might have to start again.

All I'm saying is I want them to future proof it before we are heavily invested at what should be its peak to have it blown out of the water by something that the devs could have fixed but gave us box to the n instead

Edited June 18, 2016 by AeroACE

[Jade_Monkey]

I think they should not do a new BOX for the mean time!

 

I think they should have a couple working on small aircraft packs to get some income and put the full force of the devs into upgrading the dx, streamlining the game to emake it rrun efficiency. Then make box when they have achieved the later.

 

The reason I say this is because I believe that the game may become obsolete in the not to distant future because of things like vr. Once vr is established im sure it will only be a matter of time before another team does ww2, hell even this team if they cant upgrade bos might have to start again.

 

All I'm saying is I want them to future proof it before we are heavily invested at what should be its peak to have it blown out of the water by something that the devs could have fixed but gave us box to the n instead

My guess is that they are torn between the upgrade vs BOX.

[ZachariasX]

Writings from Kuban, Over The Blue Line, by Aleksandr Pokryshkin.

 

The battle for air superiority didn't happen in individual battles, but in large protracted engagements. They started from morning and finished in the evening, growing like a storm aided by endless strong winds. We slowly but surely wrestled air superiority to our side.

 

Once I led a group of eight Airacobras to cover our troops on the ground. West of Novorossiysk, three groups of enemy aircraft came to meet us, totalling eighty one bombers covered by ten Messers. I ordered Fyodorov to attack a flight of four enemy fighters, and I with Rechkalov went to attack the Junkers.

 

We came onto them from above. Already in the first attack I shoot down the leader of the first group. Their bomber formation scatters. A second attack, and yet another Junkers falls to the ground, covered in flames. Rechkalov's pair also successfully attacks the enemy.

 

In panic, the enemy starts to drop their bombs without order. The Junkers go down to tree-top level and save themselves however they can. We in turn come onto the second group. The picture repeats itself, and I even lose my breath at the sight.

 

At this point I hear on the radio: "Pokryshkin! Pokryshkin! This is Tiger. There are Germans above us. Attack!"

 

The call came from the control station. We had to run to their location, so I got my eight aircraft and took course eastwards. Behind us, like lighthouses, burned the Junkers we shot down.

 

Over Krymskaya we met twelve Messerschmitts. They, of course, had been sent here to clean up the sky ahead of their bombers, but we had just ripped apart the armada they were waiting for.

 

After getting altitude over them, my two flights launched themselves at the Messerschmitts. They, however, didn't accept the battle and quickly left towards Anapa. We weren't up to chasing them either - ammunition and fuel were on their last legs.

 

At this time another two groups of Junkers show up. Above them eight fighters were providing cover. What to do? I led my group into an attack. With a burst I managed to knock out the leader of the first group, but then my bullets and rounds were all spent. The same happened to the other pilots. The enemy bombers however were still trucking to the front lines.

 

Within the circumstances, I passed the order to the group:

 

- Form up! Let's imitate ramming!

 

The pilots understood my reasoning. True, before not even once had we engaged in 'psychological' attack with a group, but right now we had virtually no other way out.

 

The Hitlerites didn't hold up to our friendly attack. Without order, the bombs were released, they dove down and went off in their way home. And right at that time came our own fighters to relieve us. Only then we could leave the station. We accomplished our task, and did not lose a single plane.

 

Ah... 8 brave good guys got mission kill over almost 160 badies in a single mission as well as shot down a double digit number of them without loss. With that rate, they surely could have won the Battle of Britain singlehandedly.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Would it make sense to then have Guadalcanal for PTO-1942 and New Guinea for PTO-1943? To elaborate, is it possible to come up with 20 aircraft that do not overlap?

Problem is that 1942 Guadalcanal has little connection to 1943 events in New Guinea. Not to mention that it wasn't until mid November 1942 that Buin Airfield on Bougainville was completed. From August till that time Japanese could only carry operations from Rabaul. 

 

Instead of 1942 Guadalcanal a whole series of operations of 1943 in Solomon islands should be made as an expansion. But that only after New Guinea

[Dakpilot]

Ah... 8 brave good guys got mission kill over almost 160 badies in a single mission as well as shot down a double digit number of them without loss. With that rate, they surely could have won the Battle of Britain singlehandedly.

 

Where did you get double digits?  8 P-39 shoot down 5 maybe 6 Stuka or Ju-88

 

I think the main gist of that passage from the book is breaking up the Bomber formations as a means of mission success and preventing the bombing of targets..not about kills

 

Am sure Lucas posted it to drum up a bit of interest for Kuban and show some elements of the Campaign rather than try to insult the sensitivities of the Luftwaffe's honor

 

Whatever...maybe you were joking and not being facetious or sarcastic

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[ZachariasX]

 

 

Whatever...maybe you were joking and not being facetious or sarcastic

 

Yes, indeed. I was.

 

But I couldn't help it being a bit cynical about such accounts in general. There's interessting stuff you can get from them, but as long as you don't take them with a grain of salt, it is just unreasonable propaganda BS. As an example, I took from it what one shouldn't take from such accounts.

 

 

Z

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If you read the book - which is available online in Russian and Spanish, which both translate well through Google Translate - you'll see that not all engagements were a bed of roses, and in fact Pokryshkin was quite frank and critical of things when they went wrong. That got him second-rate seats for a New Year's parade in 1941-2, a lengthy court-martial case in 1942-3, and an application by the front commander for him to be awarded Hero of Soviet Union refused the first time, likely making him the only person to be nominated four times for it within two years.

[ZachariasX]

If you read the book - which is available online in Russian and Spanish, which both translate well through Google Translate - you'll see that not all engagements were a bed of roses, and in fact Pokryshkin was quite frank and critical of things when they went wrong. That got him second-rate seats for a New Year's parade in 1941-2, a lengthy court-martial case in 1942-3, and an application by the front commander for him to be awarded Hero of Soviet Union refused the first time, likely making him the only person to be nominated four times for it within two years.

 

Yes, I saw that. I read through the Spanish version, thank you for providing the link. He's definitely quiet a character. Just reading the excerpt you provided there, I couldn't help commenting

 

Z

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

No problem

 

I think this is an aspect this Il-2 simulates very well. A lot of times I'm faced with 3-6 bombers with only a single fighter or a pair to do the job, so shooting down all of them is a dream. However, if you snake through the gunners and damage the leader, sometimes the leader will start heading home and the formation will follow. If the rest sticks around, it's still possible to make them drop their bombs even without hitting them, by cutting it close when firing or initiating an aggressive attack. Usually they drop bombs and dive, which is a lot of fun to see.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

You can kill them all if you are flying a 190 :D

Edited June 19, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Gambit21]

Problem is that 1942 Guadalcanal has little connection to 1943 events in New Guinea. Not to mention that it wasn't until mid November 1942 that Buin Airfield on Bougainville was completed. From August till that time Japanese could only carry operations from Rabaul. 

 

Instead of 1942 Guadalcanal a whole series of operations of 1943 in Solomon islands should be made as an expansion. But that only after New Guinea

 

The great thing about a Slot map is that it does indeed cover a lengthy time period of the war, both the battle for Gaudalcanal and the daily attacks from Rabual, then the campaign moving up the slot afterwords. So you get both with one map basically.

Zekes and Wildcats (and P400's, and Betty's and SBD's, and Kates) first, then Corsairs (Blacksheep campaign!) in 1943.

So much more bang for the buck than New Guinea and your stinking Ki43  

 

I'd love Ki 43 vs P40 though - that would be a good time....second only to Zeke vs Wildcat. 

[Beazil]

Gotta get BOM released on Steam.  Lots of people I chat with are waiting for it's release so they can pick it up.  I don't understand the aversion to using the non steam version.  In fact, when it's stable, I plan to transfer my  license for ease of use, but not until then.

 

I can dream of a Poland/France campaign too.... all things in time I suppose.  Whatever they do, I'm all ears.    This has been a fun ride.  *wishes for VR support announcement*

[Livai]

This here looks to be the Winner Battle of the Caucasus 25 July 1942 – 12 May 1944

 

Is this long enough? for a Campaign? Big Mountains never done before? A challenge for the Devs to recreate the Caucasus? Sinking ships with torpedos, bomb tanks......and of course better planes and heavy bomber how the A-20B Boston and the IL-4! Sounds all perfect to me?

[Trooper117]

No... more.. .eastern... front...... for... at... least... two... weeks!

[JG13_opcode]

it's going to be the next theatre ?

 

Pacific ?

 

Channel / Normandy ?

 

Africa ?

 

Pacific will be the final nail in the coffin for this troubled sim because nobody would play it except for a few Americans.

[Gambit21]

Pacific will be the final nail in the coffin for this troubled sim because nobody would play it except for a few Americans.

Pfffttt!!!

[Pharoah]

I'm currently reading through the autobiography of Major Robert Johnson, 2nd highest scoring ace of the 56th fighter group during WW2 at 27 confirmed kills (1 less than Gabby Gabreski). All were fighters (mainly 109s, 190s) and all with the P47. All I want now is to fly a P47C over England in 1943 against the Abbeville Boys in their yellow nosed fighters.

 

C'mon boys, make it happen!

[Feathered_IV]

Pacific will be the final nail in the coffin for this troubled sim because nobody would play it except for a few Americans.

Greetings from Australia!

 

I also would enjoy flying a Pacific sim from these developers.

[Gambit21]

Greetings from Australia!

 

I also would enjoy flying a Pacific sim from these developers.

 

I just made a noise that sounded like the body part he was talking out of.

[Shatter12]

It could be the Battle of Berlin, or is that out side the Dev's time zone? It'd have some cool aircraft in it.

[bzc3lk]

Greetings from Australia!

 

I also would enjoy flying a Pacific sim from these developers.

 

  Ditto

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

They have said there is no interest on their end to do Berlin right now because it wouldn't fit in well with the current aircraft. I-16 vs. Me-262 kind of thing

 

I'm currently reading "Unvarnished tales from 16 GIAP" based entirely on the regiment's combat journal. The scale of fighting in the Spring of 1943 would be perfect for this game - groups of 3-20 bombers with 2-20 fighters covering them, being engaged by flights of 4-8 Soviet fighters. Above all the fighting had lots of sporadic encounters like the campaign has now, so in each mission one could have three or more different engagements. Guards Major Pavel Kryukov for example in one mission bumped into three different groups of Bf-109s and shot down three of them himself, without much help from his wingmen. All wrecks fell in Soviet territory and were confirmed by ground troops. While Kryukov didn't make a big deal out of it, the infantry by the front which witnessed the whole thing kept requesting the Air Force to tell them the name of their hero, so they published it on the next issue of the 4th Air Army's magazine.

 

The regiment usually kept a daily score 8-11 Luftwaffe aircraft, quite a feat considering the caliber of enemy units stationed in Kuban, Crimea and Southeastern Ukraine in 1943.

Edited June 29, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell

[Herne]

I'd actually really like to see a new CLOD with this game engine.

[JG13_opcode]

I doubt they'll do BOB as their ground vehicle modelling would go to waste.

[BlitzPig_EL]

While I would like to see North Africa, or New Guinea, I am fine with the Kuban, as long as I get a P39, and a P40 with the later manifold limits, and an A20.

 

Also, a Yak 9 would be a good thing.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I doubt they'll throw in another P-40 in the short run, but the P-39 is very likely, as is the A-20 and the Yak-9 or an La-5F.

 

I finished compiling a list of serial/tactical numbers of P-39D/K/L/M of the 16th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. It might be useful for skinning in the future when photos aren't available. The list has 67 serial numbers, of which one was handed over to 84 IAP, 24 were written off, 23 can be identified by pilot and 13 by tactical number.

[beepee]

I think I read somewhere that there are no plans to do a BOB or other Western Front scenarios in the near future.

 

And as much as the PTO is part of my heritage (my Grandad was in the RNZAF in PBY Catalinas),and I live in the South Pacific,  I don't think there is much enthusiasm from the devs there either (but I am guessing).

 

Africa? Yes please.

 

But... if not,  any other mid to late war Eastern front scenario with some more lend-lease planes thrown in will keep me occupied for some time yet.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

And as much as the PTO is part of my heritage (my Grandad was in the RNZAF in PBY Catalinas),and I live in the South Pacific,  I don't think there is much enthusiasm from the devs there either (but I am guessing).

Jason already voiced his great interest in making a PTO scenario someday but also said it probably won't be any time soon (roughtly half a year ago).

Edited June 29, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Trooper117]

Pacific will be the final nail in the coffin for this troubled sim because nobody would play it except for a few Americans.

 

Utter pap!

I'm not American, but I'd buy and play it...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Han and BlackSix have also talked about Mediterranean and Pacific directions eventually, so whichever comes next these two will be visited eventually. The order they will come in is the question.

[JG13_opcode]

I mean, I'm sure they'll go to the PTO at some point.

 

What I strongly believe, though, is that sales of a PTO sim at this point would be lukewarm at best, and what this sim really needs is mainstream appeal to drive sales up.  In spite of our sample size of 3 people in thread who say they'd buy it, I just don't see PTO having mass-market appeal unless they go the Michael Bay route with pretty explosions and "OMG PEARL HARBOUR WAS THE START OF WWII"

[Gambit21]

I don't see it happening that way - if anything exactly the opposite.

PTO has very wide appeal.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

PTO is the Eastern Front in reverse. Most Europeans don't like the PTO overall, but Americans, Japanese Commonwealth countries and so on love it.

 

The Eastern Front is very popular in Europe, less so in the USA and AU/NZ. While the Pacific has less appeal overall it is not critical. Combined polls show that after the Eastern Front it is tied with the Med more or less, while the ETO is by far the least popular.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

PTO is the Eastern Front in reverse. Most Europeans don't like the PTO overall, but Americans, Japanese Commonwealth countries and so on love it.

 

The Eastern Front is very popular in Europe, less so in the USA and AU/NZ. While the Pacific has less appeal overall it is not critical. Combined polls show that after the Eastern Front it is tied with the Med more or less, while the ETO is by far the least popular.

I very much beg to differ, for me it's PTO >> Europe > Eastern Front > Med

 

Don't think you can generalize European and US simmers that much. First one definetly feautures a variety of interests from all kinds of frontiers and battles.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Lucas, the only thing necessary for a later P40 is to change to the manifold pressure limits used later on. Simply call it a P40E Late. No change to the 3D model would be necessary.

[JG13_opcode]

I don't see it happening that way - if anything exactly the opposite.

PTO has very wide appeal.

 

I recall the Spits vs 109s server and some of the arcade servers like Skies of Valor emptying on a regular basis whenever a PTO map came up.  That was why they launched Zekes v Wildcats - so that the 40 or so dedicated PTO fans could have their fun without killing the Spits/109s population.  It got more popular after the modders broke the game but still there was only really enough demand for 1 server.

 

So I'm not so sure about the "very wide appeal".

 

 

Combined polls show that after the Eastern Front it is tied with the Med more or less, while the ETO is by far the least popular.

Interesting.  Got a link? Edited June 29, 2016 by 13GIAP_opcode

[Gambit21]

 

I recall the Spits vs 109s server and some of the arcade servers like Skies of Valor emptying on a regular basis whenever a PTO map came up.  That was why they launched Zekes v Wildcats - so that the 40 or so dedicated PTO fans could have their fun without killing the Spits/109s population.  It got more popular after the modders broke the game but still there was only really enough demand for 1 server.

 

So I'm not so sure about the "very wide appeal".

 

 

Interesting.  Got a link?

 

I never had a problem filling PTO CoOps

[JG13_opcode]

ok

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I bounced from spits, to Zekes, to SoF on a pretty regular basis.

[Gambit21]

ok

 

It is...it's quite OK.