What do you guys believe...

[LLv24_Zami]

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At the end of a day both RoF and BoS are games , not simulators in strict sense of that word.

At the end of a day all titles we play on our home PC`s are games. Simulators are somewhat more expensive.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Regarding the multiwing vs. monowing modeling argument: If you want to model it physically correct a monowing model is not suitable. Yes, you can easily add wing area and adjust lift/drag values to suit the multiwings but your flight characteristics will ultimately be different (biplanes use misplaced wings which produce misplaced lift forces which again induce different momentums that effect aircraft balance). Yet this is only one thing where compromises in terms of simplicity/computing power are being made and a reason why not every behaviour of aircrafts in flight simulators can by explained by scientific means.

 

As far asa RoF / BoS goes I wouldn't be supprised if their engine allowed multiwing calculations given they have a quite complex airflow simulation as well, but who knows. In the end it's nothing too big, you're just adding a second CoL.

 

Han said some time ago that physical calculations had no impact on FPS in BoS.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

At the end of a day all titles we play on our home PC`s are games. Simulators are somewhat more expensive.

+1

I'm so tired of that arguments on what is sim and what is not. Here, DCS forums and wherever else, always someone claim that x is more sim than y. 

 

Point is that desk cant pull any G's   

[ZachariasX]

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Point is that desk cant pull any G's   

 

But you can pull your desk.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Not really when I keep my legs on it 

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

It's not so much a gameulation, more of a simutainment. 

[Dakpilot]

Quite how a thread devoted to the 'next theater' devolved into FM fidelity I do not know.....

 

What do I believe? regardless of location there will be enough foot stamping and bad tempers, I will probably want to stay away from the forums when the announcement is made 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[CUJO_1970]

I'm hoping a next theatre comes to fruition.

 

The Med would be incredible, but I still think Kuban is the next logical step.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Another group of heroes, from 45 IAP (renamed 100 GIAP on 17 June 1943):

 

 

The caption reads:

 

"Pilots from D. B. Glinka discuss the details of a combat flight. Left to right: Ivan Babak, Nikolai Kudrya, Pavel Berestnev. Together with their leader, they shot down 55 German aircraft over Kuban (14, 10, 10 and 21 personal victories respectively), and they kept raising that score until the end of the war. All three received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Kuban, April 1943."

 

Dmitriy Glinka received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union twice, while his brother, Boris Glinka, received it once.

 

Ivan Babak, a maths and chemistry teacher before the war, was one of the regiment's best pilots and could have risen steeply through the Air Force ranks but instead as soon as the opportunity rose he left the air force after the war, and returned to his life teaching in schools in Ukraine.

 

Nikolai Kudrya received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and an Order of Lenin on the 24th May 1943, and on the 26th May the hero was killed before he was given the medals themselves. On that day he scored his last victory, his 11th, while covering ground troops, but Kudrya was badly injured during the battle. He managed to bring his aircraft down in no man's land, and after landing opened the cockpit and got out. Nikolai Kudrya died on his Airacobra's wing.

 

Pavel Berestnev, from a small city near Smolensk, went to the front in 1942, was wounded and stayed in the hospital until March 1943. He made up for the downtime - in only two months, he shot down multiple German aircraft and was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and the Order of Lenin in the same decree as Kudrya. After being transferred to the Monino Military Academy in 1943, he suffered heavy injuries during a flight accident in November 1943 and only finished the course in 1945. Of his 12 victories, all but two in the spring of 1943, six were Bf-109s.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I'm hoping a next theatre comes to fruition.

 

The Med would be incredible, but I still think Kuban is the next logical step.

My opinion - the next logical step from an economic perspective would be the Med or even better the PTO. exponential more interest , will bring in new money and keep existing customers who will not pre pay for another EF offering. However from a resource perspective the EF would make the most sense,they just recycle the plane set and produce a relatively flat map with a few towns and air fields. 

[Gambit21]

+1

I'm so tired of that arguments on what is sim and what is not. Here, DCS forums and wherever else, always someone claim that x is more sim than y. 

 

Point is that desk cant pull any G's   

Nah, they're simulators as much as any computer flight simulator has ever been a 'simulator'

 

That's like saying a combat sim isn't actually a sim because the bullets can't actually kill you.

There's an understanding that the computer is 'simulating' something to the extent that it's capable.

 

I had the first Microsoft Flight Simulator, and our current sims, including BOS are worlds better.

Just because there are more expensive and more sophisticated simulators doesn't mean our simulators are mis-labeled.

Zami could not be more off the mark - and frankly the logic is easily refuted by following it to it's conclusion.

 

You'd have to go back and contend that flight simulators 25 years ago that were less sophisticated that BoS are now

suddenly, and retroactively NOT simulations. To boot, high end simulators that simulate movement do not have

the term all to themselves, that has never been the case, nor is it the case now.

 

Utter silliness. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by Gambit21

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

However from a resource perspective the EF would make the most sense,they just recycle the plane set and produce a relatively flat map with a few towns and air fields.

If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think a front that engulfed the whole western portion of then the biggest country in the world, from the sea near Murmansk to the Elbrus in the Caucasus, was solely made of flatlands and villages? Also, given the amount of lend lease aircraft and different models that are not represented yet (Il-4, P-39, Hs-129, etc.), why would they need to recycle all aircraft?

 

It's like saying the Pacific was water and Japanese paper planes ad eternum, or that the whole of Northern Africa is a desert with two villages in it, which is equally untrue.

[LLv24_Zami]

Gambit, you can play with the terminology like you wan't, it's not important.

 

In case you didn't notice, I was commenting Banzais post about BoS/RoF not being simulator but game. If that's the case, all sims are games.

[Gambit21]

I get it Zami, no worries.

I've seen this come up time and time again is all.

Like you say, in the end it's really not important.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Some good old boring flat green landscape from the Black Sea, this time not Kuban but Yalta, Crimea.

 

[DD_Arthur]

If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think a front that engulfed the whole western portion of then the biggest country in the world, from the sea near Murmansk to the Elbrus in the Caucasus, was solely made of flatlands and villages?

 

 

Er....if you take a line south from Murmansk down to Mount Elbrus there does seem to be an awful lot of flat land and villages.  Not all of it.  Just that thousand kms or so - in the middle.    

[Frequent_Flyer]

If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think a front that engulfed the whole western portion of then the biggest country in the world, from the sea near Murmansk to the Elbrus in the Caucasus, was solely made of flatlands and villages? Also, given the amount of lend lease aircraft and different models that are not represented yet (Il-4, P-39, Hs-129, etc.), why would they need to recycle all aircraft?

 

It's like saying the Pacific was water and Japanese paper planes ad eternum, or that the whole of Northern Africa is a desert with two villages in it, which is equally untrue.

If you fly the Luftwaffe you have the core entrant already - 109 ,190, Ju-87, He-111 , Ju-88,just adding a G or 4,5,6 .... after  any of these  No thanks give me  Ki-61 any day over any 109 and any Zero model over the 190. Same goes for the Yak 1,3 ...B..7 or the La-5 , Pe-2...3 etc. Nothing exciting about any of these " recycled iterations. If their" version" of the P-40E is any indication of their interpretation of how the Lend Lease aircraft will be modeled, that is not a plus either. The P-39 was the best  performing aircraft the VVS had ." Five of the 10 highest scoring Soviets aces logged the majority of their kills in P-39s. Among these top Soviet Airacobra aces, the most "efficient" has to be Nikolay Gulaev. He flew his first P-39 combat mission on 9 August 1943 and his last mission on 14 August 1944. In 12 months and five days he shot down 41 German aircraft while flying the P-39. No other Soviet pilot scored so effectively. " Some how the developers seem to lose something in the conversion of metric to imperial units of measurement and we end up with the P-40, I believe this will carry over into the P-39 as well. The air war in Russia  was prosecuted  primarily over large expanses of relatively flat land . Not a large percentage was carrierd out over mountainsides , nor was a large percentage conducted over water.In comparision the USAAF flew many more missions over mountains and water than the VVS.

The VVS annd the Luftwaffe fought a tactical airwar, small groups of aircraft interdicted a small convoy of land vehicles, not much variety.

 

So if that is what you would like to see more variety in missions,stunning scenery and capital ships involved, lets move this franchise to the PTO

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[DCAL4]

+1

I'm so tired of that arguments on what is sim and what is not. Here, DCS forums and wherever else, always someone claim that x is more sim than y.

 

Point is that desk cant pull any G's

I laughed, so true.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Quite how a thread devoted to the 'next theater' devolved into FM fidelity I do not know.....

 

What do I believe? regardless of location there will be enough foot stamping and bad tempers, I will probably want to stay away from the forums when the announcement is made 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Probably a good call

 

It won't really matter. Someone will probably be upset!

[LLv34_Temuri]

I hope it won't be PTO, pretty much anything else would be fine for me.
I would of course pee honey if it were Leningrad

[SAG]

am i the only one who would be happy just with some montains and more gameplay mechanics? or carriers, carriers would be awesome! 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If you think the Carpathians, the Gulf of Finland and the outskirts of Kiev look the same then you have a pretty interesting outlook on geography

 

 

If you fly the Luftwaffe you have the core entrant already - 109 ,190, Ju-87, He-111 , Ju-88,just adding a G or 4,5,6 .... after  any of these  No thanks give me  Ki-61 any day over any 109 and any Zero model over the 190. Same goes for the Yak 1,3 ...B..7 or the La-5 , Pe-2...3 etc. Nothing exciting about any of these " recycled iterations. If their" version" of the P-40E is any indication of their interpretation of how the Lend Lease aircraft will be modeled, that is not a plus either. The P-39 was the best  performing aircraft the VVS had ." Five of the 10 highest scoring Soviets aces logged the majority of their kills in P-39s. Among these top Soviet Airacobra aces, the most "efficient" has to be Nikolay Gulaev. He flew his first P-39 combat mission on 9 August 1943 and his last mission on 14 August 1944. In 12 months and five days he shot down 41 German aircraft while flying the P-39. No other Soviet pilot scored so effectively. " Some how the developers seem to lose something in the conversion of metric to imperial units of measurement and we end up with the P-40, I believe this will carry over into the P-39 as well. The air war in Russia  was prosecuted  primarily over large expanses of relatively flat land . Not a large percentage was carrierd out over mountainsides , nor was a large percentage conducted over water.In comparision the USAAF flew many more missions over mountains and water than the VVS.

The VVS annd the Luftwaffe fought a tactical airwar, small groups of aircraft interdicted a small convoy of land vehicles, not much variety.

 

So if that is what you would like to see more variety in missions,stunning scenery and capital ships involved, lets move this franchise to the PTO

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On the Axis side there is still no Hs-129, Hs-123, Do-217, IAR 81, Re.2000 and so on. These aircraft were used extensively, and need to be included eventually.

 

On the P-39: without going into that circular debate on the P-40E limits in 1941, I'm 100% sure their policy on engine limits (follow the manual according to the year) will be enforced for American aircraft elsewhere, as it was enforced on the Fw-190, and on the Bf-109, so on, so forth. If that's something you consider a major problem, it will be there regardless of you flying over Guadalcanal or Riga. Also, the P-39 did not have any major performance advantages compared to contemporary Soviet-made fighters, but it did have very competent pilots behind it and the guns to put that to use. Pokryshkin said on the issue, 'what I really liked about the Airacobra was its firepower. One 37mm cannon, two .50 guns and four .30 guns. I had all seven rigged to the same trigger, so when you'd approach an enemy aircraft from behind like you usually do, you needed only one press of the trigger and it fell apart.'

 

The Eastern Front wasn't a war of tactical truck interdiction, there were major strategic actions on both sides. Ships clashed in the Black Sea, in the Baltic and in the Barents sea, there were multiple airlifts and air evacuations throughout the war, together with mass naval withdrawals (Kuban and Crimea, for example). The Red Banner Baltic Sea was raiding Finnish and German shipping for most of the war, striking not only the ships themselves but the ports as well. Its aircraft were more effective than all of the naval fleet in that role. During the siege of Leningrad both sides were throwing whatever they could for the city, with PS-84s running in and out of the city with whatever escort they could find dodging both Finnish and German interception to land in supplies.

 

There is nothing wrong with wanting the PTO because you like it, but honestly painting the Eastern Front as 'truck bombing with nerfed P-40' is incorrect and unnecessary. One can similarly paint the PTO as Grumman flying barrels dropping lead into trees then crashing onto the carrier deck on the way back, but it would be equally short-sighted.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Gratuitous Eastern European plains with villages:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Aap]

Er....if you take a line south from Murmansk down to Mount Elbrus there does seem to be an awful lot of flat land and villages.  Not all of it.  Just that thousand kms or so - in the middle.    

 

I think Pacific could be interesting, but if we are discussing variety of landscape ....

Take a (curved) line from Murmansk to Mount Elbrus and you get sea, hills, mountains, forests, steppes, cities, villages, swamps, roads, railroads, lakes, rivers and much more.

Take a line from Bering Sea to New Zealand and you get water, water, water, water, water, water, an acre of land, water, water, water, water, water, water, water and a bit more water.

Edited June 9, 2016 by II./JG77_Kemp

[NN_RugbyGoth]

Last DD is 1 1/2 month old, last update 3 weeks... please I need something from the devs!

[Aap]

 

 

The VVS annd the Luftwaffe fought a tactical airwar, small groups of aircraft interdicted a small convoy of land vehicles, not much variety. So if that is what you would like to see more variety in missions,stunning scenery and capital ships involved, lets move this franchise to the PTO

 

Again, I think there are many elements in Pacific that would be interesting and naval aviation by itself is interesting, but if we are talking about variety in missions, then in Eastern Front you can get pretty much every type of aerial action that was out there during WWII, while in the Pacific pretty much all you can do is dogfighting enemy fighters and drop bombs or torpedoes on enemy ships.

[Feathered_IV]

Again, I think there are many elements in Pacific that would be interesting and naval aviation by itself is interesting, but if we are talking about variety in missions, then in Eastern Front you can get pretty much every type of aerial action that was out there during WWII, while in the Pacific pretty much all you can do is dogfighting enemy fighters and drop bombs or torpedoes on enemy ships.

 

Supply, recon and search & rescue flights would be interesting in the Pacific.  One thing the PTO could do very well would be nightfighter operations.  It would not require all the extra gizmos and counter-gizmos the way a European theatre night operation would to be convincing.  Cruising in the moonlight above Rabaul in a Nakajima J1N, searching for those pesky Black cats and with the radar operator calling out the bearings would be a nice way to spend my evenings. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

but if we are talking about variety in missions, then in Eastern Front you can get pretty much every type of aerial action that was out there during WWII, while in the Pacific pretty much all you can do is dogfighting enemy fighters and drop bombs or torpedoes on enemy ships.

Which you cant really do on the Eastern Front or not in such a scale. You wont have aircraft carriers carrying strikes against each other on various (and changing) distances. PTO gives you pretty much the same if not wider variety of missions though. Sure, you wont have a chance to bust any major tank groups there (or at least Japanese tanks if you play Allied), but other than that ?

 

Interceptions and escort missions of horizontal bombers - check

Interceptions and escort missions of ground attackers/dive bombers - check

Ground support and attack / Strafe enemy supply columns - check

Bombing - check

Intercept or escort transport planes - check

Destroy enemy artillery - check

Airfield attack / fighter sweep - check

 

I think I've named most if not all types of missions we have in current campaign. All apply to the PTO as much as they do to the ETO. As I said, the ability to use tanks will be somewhat limited depending on the area (though Japanese in some operations used detachments of Type 95 and Type 97 tanks and Allies pretty much tried to use armored units anywhere it was possible) as well as trains (again depending on the area, Burma, China or Philippines had some railroads). 

But you gain a very wide range of operations involving aircraft and ships like:

- support or attack on naval landings (with all the LCT, LST,  Daihatsu landing crafts or No.101-class landing ships)

- attack or escort of transport and supply ships 

- attack or defense of carriers (or smaller naval units)

- patrol missions to hunt enemy submarines

 

My personal hope is for missions involving radars, throughout 1943 both Japanese and Allies started employing anti-ship radars on decent operational scale. I cant speak much about American ones as I havent read enough on that, but Japanese put radars on G4M Betty bombers or even smaller aircraft like B5N2 "Kate" or B6N Tenzan "Jill" carrier-attack planes :

 

 

In order to become a truly capable night torpedo unit, our equipment had to be modified for the purpose. Also, we needed to take measures to prevent the enemy from finding us while we had to have some way to find the enemy in the dark.

 

The first thing we did was to paint our Tenzans matt black. The drag-producing matt finish subtracted about 5 knots from our top speed, but that was something we could live with.

 

Also, I negotiated with officials so we would be among the first to receive radar equipment. Radar operation was troublesome and the large Yagi antennae on the wing leading edge also took away additional 5 knots, but the radar was much more valuable to us than the extra 5 knots.
Saneyuki Hida, commander of Kogeki 254 Hikotai, 131 Kokutai

Seishun Tenzan Raigekitai  by Saneyuki Hida via j-aircraft.com 

 

Now how cool is that ? A night operation where (especially on Expert mode) you have to navigate yourself, use radar equipment to find your target and hit it !

 

 

But to be honest I dont see it the way one offers less then the other. Both ETO and PTO offer a lot of fun and can give great experiences. Kuban sounds fun to me. Point here is, for me at least, that we already had two expansions featuring ETO, I would simply like to move somewhere else and see something else. I value variety of choices very highly and hope for proper PTO game since failure of Target Rabaul mod. 

So its not that Kuban or Kursk are bad. They are not, in my opinion, they just can wait while PTO or MTO are introduced. 

[Aap]

Supply, recon and search & rescue flights would be interesting in the Pacific.  One thing the PTO could do very well would be nightfighter operations.  It would not require all the extra gizmos and counter-gizmos the way a European theatre night operation would to be convincing.  Cruising in the moonlight above Rabaul in a Nakajima J1N, searching for those pesky Black cats and with the radar operator calling out the bearings would be a nice way to spend my evenings. 

 

Indeed, nothing against that kind of missions. Then again, supply, recon, search & rescue, night fighting - all that happened in Eastern Front also and a lot more than over Pacific. So, again, while I think that there could be many interesting things in the Pacific, I can't really see the argument, how it could bring more variety in mission types compared to Eastern Front. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It doesn't make sense comparing the eastern front to the pacific as it's 2 entirely different theatres (hence why I'd like to have it). Both have seen all types of combat missions during WW2 but their focus was quite different.

 

The Pacfic had it's focus on carrier battles and ground support during the landing operations in the "island hopping" campaing while on the eastern front the fighter's struggle for air superiority and strategic bombing played a more important role.

 

I'd also say rescue missions were more important in the PTO given their ammount of pilots was fairly limited and chances of survival in this unforgiving envirounment were pretty low. Would be awesome to eventually fly US Navy Black Cat's missions some day.

Edited June 9, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Brano]

PTO requires huge load of 3D ship models to be done to look believable.Not gonna happen anytime soon. I dont want pacific expansion to be half done job like the one in old sturm with generic BBs and CVs, planeset missing essential aircrafts,not possible to take off with loaded Corsair cause catapults are missing etc. Such game would require a separate game studio to take up the workload. Also water surface is not just texture,it is 3D surface and on top of it moving one. IMO creating vast pacific sea maps is not so easy job as one would think.

But watching people crash each other on the CVs deck during take-off and the rest crashing´n´splasing on the landing with consecutive rage-quit would be hillarious 

 

A remark to argument about "we dont want another yaks,laggs,ils and what not". Imagine devs will make MTO expansion. We will get some spitfire,lightning,maybe mustang or thunderbuddy....and then what? Every other MTO or WTO will be just another version of theses aircrafts. Mhmm....dang...

 

WW2 is about basic models on each side and further development models of those basic families. And what about LW guys? They will have to live with recycling the same planeset in every other scenario till the end of the war. Or do we want to venture again to 1946 wunderwaffe expansion to keep LW guys in buyng next DLCs?

 

I am not against PTO. I was the one who many times switched to blue side when map of pacific was loaded in old sturm and 90% of LW guys just quit the server. I am just pragmatic and dont see it done neither in near or far future. Not by this game studio.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, the amount of medium size 3d objects would increase a lot. But on the other hand Brano that wasn't biggest problem so far, barges we have in BoS/BoM were done rather fast. The thing that takes the most time is map. Its always coming last and requires a lot of work, especially when big cities and various types of buildings are involved. No big cities would be present in New Guinea So that frees some time and resources to be shifted to other tasks, focused on developing ships.

 

And that's why I proposed New Guinea first, as one can limit things and dont have to go with all types of ships and aircraft at once. No Corsairs, no Hellcats, no big US aircraft carriers ... 

 

 

 

IMO creating vast pacific sea maps is not so easy job as one would think.

Creating a Moscow map was not so easy with all this buildings including Kremlin. And yet they did it.  

 

 

 

I am just pragmatic and dont see it done neither in near or far future. Not by this game studio.

Much smaller studios are making attempts. Hell, even Team Fusion is messing with Afrika, ships and all kinds of stuff. If someone can do it this days, then I believe its only Russian company.  

[Brano]

Yes,russians can do many things. With PTO they can lock themselves in their Moscow office for 3-4 years leaving the rest of us stucked in BoS/M :D

Edited June 9, 2016 by Brano

[Aap]

 

 

Which you cant really do on the Eastern Front or not in such a scale. You wont have aircraft carriers carrying strikes against each other on various (and changing) distances. PTO gives you pretty much the same if not wider variety of missions though. Sure, you wont have a chance to bust any major tank groups there (or at least Japanese tanks if you play Allied), but other than that ?

 

Wider variety of missions than in Eastern Front? Somehow I really fail to see how. All the activities that happen on the ground, from actual ground warfare to all the logistics and production etc, compared to what kind of missions are available in an open ocean? I have also flown several SEOW campaigns in the old IL2 1946, on Eastern Front, Western Front and Pacific and from that experience could say that while the Pacific campaigns were very interesting, it provided the least variation. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Lots of valid points. It's nice to see that most people will enjoy most theatres, while at the same time being passionate enough about the product to campaign their preferences for a whole year without losing a drop of enthusiasm. Each individual battle offers so much in terms of uniqueness that whatever they come up with, after the initial uproar people will be having lots of fun as usual

 

On the ship issue one reason why Kuban/Crimea/Murmansk/Gulf of Finland would make sense is because they could use it to fine-tune their ship-making skills in a smaller scale, before going all out in the Pacific where naval action will be a much more prominent part. Alternatively they could start working on the back-end while developing a Kuban, thus cutting short the development times for a Il-2: Battle of 'IV' in another theatre.

 

But you gain a very wide range of operations involving aircraft and ships like:

- support or attack on naval landings (with all the LCT, LST,  Daihatsu landing crafts or No.101-class landing ships)

- attack or escort of transport and supply ships 

- attack or defense of carriers (or smaller naval units)

- patrol missions to hunt enemy submarines

 

I just wanted to comment on these specific points. In Kuban, there were multiple amphibious landings from both sides, the most famous and successful of which resulted in the establishment of the Cape Myskhako position ('Malaya Zemlya') which held out 225 of air attacks, counter-attacks and German landing attempts on the shore. A photo from February 1943 of a Soviet ship ('Red Georgia') unloading marching marines and artillery. It was torpedoed shortly afterwards, and enemy artillery and aviation put the nail on its coffin.

 

 

Supply ships and submarines were also major players during the battles in the Black Sea, particularly as the Axis forces attempted to supply their positions in 1943, then evacuate their troops to Crimea in Autumn 1943 and then to Romania in the middle of 1944.

 

Soviet destroyed Nezamozhnik in the Black Sea:

 

Now, night torpedo bombing does sound cool, and a little scary!  Like the U-2 NBAP missions, they are one of those things that can only really happen in that scenario, making it unique.

[novicebutdeadly]

Good evening gents,

I wonder if the way forward is not so much which battle region next, but rather thinking outside the box.

 

In that maybe the devs should open to third parties the ability to make new maps, while they focus on new aircraft and targets... I mean land and sea units.
 

So instead of concentrating on doing specific battles (with all the thoughts and debates on where to go next), try to focus on bringing the war to life in less time then the war took.....

If third parties can make good maps (of where-ever they wanted, and preferably at a low one off charge to servers/ the community) and the devs perhaps concentrated on planes, instead of us continuing to fight on the eastern front till wars end before going anywhere else (worse case scenario), or forcing people who have no interest in certain regions to buy the game to support the franchise in the hope that one day they will get the region and time frame that they have been waiting for (almost as bad), the devs can sell planes (maybe discount for successive marks of the same plane, provided that you paid full amount for at least one of them).

This genre has always been niche, and it needs a way to attract more people.

I'm tired of playing QMB because there is no-one online in my region/ anywhere else in the world.

 

What people whether current of new want is not a game where you get to fly either German or Russian (with 2 aircraft exceptions.....), but a game that allows them to live out their dreams.

 

Whether the dreams were started after stumbling over the movie the Battle of Britain/ insert whatever your favorite movie is while channel surfing, or perhaps their grand parents talking about the war, or maybe even us talking to them.

If they don't find it in this game (when they research before buying...), they will go to games like WT (not trying to start a fight here...) and either stay there, or become disheartened and walk away.

The older generation that played this genre are walking away for many reasons, the simplest is that they couldn't be bothered anymore, so the devs need to find a way to become relevant to the world. 

 

They must find away to draw in the crowds without dumbing down the game, they must find a way to make peoples dreams a reality.


Me personally I fly the LW and my favourite plane is the BF 109, so if it stays on the EF I will probably buy the game, if they move to the Med/ western Europe I will def buy the game, if they move to the Pacific I probably won't buy the game.


As much as I never thought I would say this, but I would rather buy planes and map packs if it meant getting more content faster.


Thoughts???


 

 

Edited June 9, 2016 by novicebutdeadly

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

All the activities that happen on the ground, from actual ground warfare to all the logistics and production etc, compared to what kind of missions are available in an open ocean?

 

PTO is not only open ocean. If you have in mind Central Pacific area than yes, that will involve a lot of ocean. But Solomon Islands, New Guinea, Dutch East Indies or Philippines have as much ground as water, if not more. 

 

 

 

In Kuban, there were multiple amphibious landings from both sides, the most famous and successful of which resulted in the establishment of the Cape Myskhako position ('Malaya Zemlya') which held out 225 of air attacks, counter-attacks and German landing attempts on the shore. A photo from February 1943 of a Soviet ship ('Red Georgia') unloading marching marines and artillery. It was torpedoed shortly afterwards, and enemy artillery and aviation put the nail on its coffin.

 

Yes, I'm aware of that Lucas. But its not the same as PTO naval operations. Just like PTO ground operations are not the same as Kursk. Though New Guinea jungle could give similar experience to swamps and forests of Polesie ( Поле́сье )  

 

 

 

Now, night torpedo bombing does sound cool, and a little scary!  Like the U-2 NBAP missions, they are one of those things that can only really happen in that scenario, making it unique.

 

This would actually be carried by a group of aircraft, attack would be carried individually due to obvious danger of crashing into each other. There was however a detachment of 1-2 aircraft having no armament but illumination flares that would be dropped and would provide some light around the target, enough to actually carry proper torpedo attack. Of course at night with full moon that would not be necessary  

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Great name for the ship! Nezamozhnik is in ukrainian smtg like "poor devil" 

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Yes,russians can do many things. With PTO they can lock themselves in their Moscow office for 3-4 years leaving the rest of us stucked in BoS/M :D

I like this answer hehehe.

 

We are asking for Pacific theatres etc but can this game motor actually model aircraft carriers etc.

 

No one confirmed the devs can have they?

You want to take off an aircraft carrier with our present AI pilots and expect to live?

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New Guinea ?