What do you guys believe...

[wtornado]

Great idea Lucas.

 

ummm...

 

Can she be my pilot?

 

 

I do not blame you she is a keeper.

 

 

Based on VERY ROUGH estimates using the member search function with the filters by product (leaving out all the accounts without a linked product), and assuming everyone paid full price in USD (which we all know it doesnt take the sales into account) this is what I got.

I'm not sure if the russian forum members show up here or if they are not included.

 

Obviously we can make more assumptions about what % of the sales are at a discount.

When do I get BOM at 50% off in STEAM?

 

I know 50$ CDN is not worth much on the world market.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Brazilian fighter bomber squadron was probably the most effective ground attack squadron ever. No one could match their stats on same period.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

 

[Danziger]

I'm American and grew up with the usual "we saved all the world's ass from the Nazis on D-Day". My wife is from eastern Europe and laughed at me about it. I was going to prove her wrong until I actually bothered to research the Soviet side of the war. All I can say is they would've crushed Germany with or without us and it's a damned good thing we never actually went to war with them.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

All I can say is they would've crushed Germany with or without us and it's a damned good thing we never actually went to war with them.

 

Umm, thats not a proper thread for such discussion. We're letting our dreams go crazy here ...

But afaik, thats exaggeration what you are saying. Soviet Union needed US and Britain, as much as they needed USSR. Russians would have big trouble starting any offensive since mid-1943 without Allied aid. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Back on topic, unfortunately I'm not so sure an Italy 1944/1945 campaign would be viable since it involved nearly exclusively ground attack. But if the map ever comes, and the P-47D comes with it, I'll make the campaign myself - I've always wanted to give that a go, the old Il-2's map was rubbish.

 

On the merits of 1º GAvCa: they flew 5% of the sorties of XXII Tactical Air Command, but accounted for 15% of the vehicles destroyed, 28% of the bridges, 36% of the fuel dumps and 85% of the ammo dumps. Oh, and unlike American pilots in the theatre these chaps weren't rotated. They flew until they died, and when the roster started to run empty pilots simply stepped up their number of daily sorties, keeping up the results.

 

Some more photos:

 

 

 

 

P-47D vs. chimney. P-47 won

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

 

The choice is simple this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdutkFxmWGI

I remember seeing that Rabaul video five or six years ago (maybe more). Really well done for the time. Edited June 5, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[BlitzPig_EL]

One of the BlitzPigs is from Brazil, so we have been well aware of the job done by them in those P47s. Stout lads they were.

[SqueakyS]

I really would like a mid '41 Med campaign for something a little different. Though I think one more on the Eastern Front would flesh out the current plane sets nicely, I personally have no interest in USSR planes. Depending on the plane set for the Germans, if the next one is EF, I may hold off buying the next one until it is on sale. 

[ViKe213]

Hopefully its the PAcific theatre.

I wont be buying any more eastern front.

BOM was a complete waste of money.

[Rjel]

On the merits of 1º GAvCa: they flew 5% of the sorties of XXII Tactical Air Command, but accounted for 15% of the vehicles destroyed, 28% of the bridges, 36% of the fuel dumps and 85% of the ammo dumps. Oh, and unlike American pilots in the theatre these chaps weren't rotated. They flew until they died, and when the roster started to run empty pilots simply stepped up their number of daily sorties, keeping up the results.

Yup. Those flyboys from the good 'ol USA sure did have a walk in the park, didn't they? It was just a lark for them. Hell, the war was just about over by the time they got there, wasn't it? Yup, good thing the factories weren't runny 24/7 for years on end producing the goods other countries couldn't. Or were those P-47s made in Brazil? Who needed all that junk made in the USA anyway? The rest of the world had the Axis rockin' back on its heels by the time America decided it was safe enough to join the fight, didn't it?

 

Boy, that little dig about getting rotated gets trotted out with regularity, doesn't it? A real life of leisure for those boys. Let's see, I'm trying to set up a winning formula for an effective world wide Air Force. What do I want to do? Draw on the experience garnered by pilots pulled out combat after several hundred hours (even tho many many of them went back for multiple tours) or fly experienced pilots into the ground only to be replaced by half trained pilots in the later war years? Oh wait, Germany and Japan tried that. How'd that turn out?

Edited June 5, 2016 by Rjel

[Feathered_IV]

One advantage to a Pacific carrier expansion would really suit all the virtual Smirnovs and bedroom Barkhorns in multiplayer - No taxiways. Just blast off down the deck and into the air!

[Gambit21]

Yup. Those flyboys from the good 'ol USA sure did have a walk in the park, didn't they? It was just a lark for them. Hell, the war was just about over by the time they got there, wasn't it? Yup, good thing the factories weren't runny 24/7 for years on end producing the goods other countries couldn't. Or were those P-47s made in Brazil? Who needed all that junk made in the USA anyway? The rest of the world had the Axis rockin' back on its heels by the time America decided it was safe enough to join the fight, didn't it?

 

Boy, that little dig about getting rotated gets trotted out with regularity, doesn't it? A real life of leisure for those boys. Let's see, I'm trying to set up a winning formula for an effective world wide Air Force. What do I want to do? Draw on the experience garnered by pilots pulled out combat after several hundred hours (even tho many many of them went back for multiple tours) or fly experienced pilots into the ground only to be replaced by half trained pilots in the later war years? Oh wait, Germany and Japan tried that. How'd that turn out?

 

I think you're taking a simple, legit observation by Lucas and projecting an entirely different agenda on it.

The fact about getting rotated is just that, a fact...not a 'dig'

 

Overall effectiveness of the air force aside, not getting rotated was hard on the pilots.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I'm American and grew up with the usual "we saved all the world's ass from the Nazis on D-Day". My wife is from eastern Europe and laughed at me about it. I was going to prove her wrong until I actually bothered to research the Soviet side of the war. All I can say is they would've crushed Germany with or without us and it's a damned good thing we never actually went to war with them.

 

Read a book... see Korea.... I won't tell you the ending.

[Plesski]

I would be laughing hard if it would come out that the next game title is Battle of Vietnam or Battle of Golan Highs.

 

Y.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I think you're taking a simple, legit observation by Lucas and projecting an entirely different agenda on it.

The fact about getting rotated is just that, a fact...not a 'dig'

 

Overall effectiveness of the air force aside, not getting rotated was hard on the pilots.

Not a dig or anything, all parties had it hard during the war. What I mentioned is just a factual remark to the effort they put into it to keep results up. Combat burnout was hard on pilots, flying three sorties a day was hard on pilots, and watching your unit slowly get smaller and smaller was hard on pilots. Nonetheless they overcame that, and they deserve credit for it - not because Americans somehow did a lesser effort, but because this was a tough challenge they managed to beat.

 

The group was made up of volunteers, who went to Panama for training on P-40s before converting to the P-47 and hitting the front in 1944. They were only reinforced once during their operational period.

[Trinkof]

Someone mentioned Korea.... And I also remember an old post from Jason saying it would be great....

 

Korea

 

F86

F9F

P51

Tigercats

 

Mig 15

La 7

La 9

 

Etc... Could be just wonderful and very refreshing

[Asgar]

leave the jets to DCS and give us more WWII. IL-2 pushing into more modern jet gameplay will probably and as badly as DCS pushing into WWII, which seems to develop into total disaster.

[Feathered_IV]

I would be laughing hard if it would come out that the next game title is Battle of Vietnam or Battle of Golan Highs.

 

Y.

 

Actually a top notch Vietnam sim would be very interesting indeed.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Someone mentioned Korea.... And I also remember an old post from Jason saying it would be great....

 

Korea

 

F86

F9F

P51

Tigercats

 

Mig 15

La 7

La 9

 

Etc... Could be just wonderful and very refreshing

If I get a flyable B-29 why not....I need to think about it.

I'd rather have a nice ww2 sim tho.

Edited June 6, 2016 by 4./JG52_Hauggy_

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Actually a top notch Vietnam sim would be very interesting indeed.

True! IMHO better than pacific and something truly new !

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Well, Blacksix said Battle of Berlin would be too far fetched and out of chronical order for the team as for now...

[Guest deleted@50488]

leave the jets to DCS and give us more WWII. IL-2 pushing into more modern jet gameplay will probably and as badly as DCS pushing into WWII, which seems to develop into total disaster.

 

There were times I wasn't able to agree with this thoughts, but now I am 200% in agreement.

 

Indeed each one to it's own - and il2 does the best work regarding ww2 aircraft, scenery, ... everything...

 

Leave the helicopters and jet fighters to DCS...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Plus the workload for systems (as shown by DCS) is immense. Radars, missiles, turbines... We would have DCS development times.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Indeed,   And think about the AI.   How good do you think your RIO would be with our current AI?

 

Lets stick with WW2 folks.  

[Jade_Monkey]

Plus the workload for systems (as shown by DCS) is immense. Radars, missiles, turbines... We would have DCS development times.

Yeah, we would never see the next theatre again. We would pre order for our grandkids to play it. Current model is much better for what I want.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

There is one more problem, I believe some of this aircraft are still protected by law or some of their systems may be restricted information. Cant be sure though. But if I'm not mistaken someone tried already twice to make F-4 Phantom for DCS and they were not allowed to. 

 

Vietnam would be certainly amazing, but thats like calling to make a whole different game. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Both F-4 and A-4 were slashed because of brand and government involvement.

[Dutchvdm]

US Navy fighters 97 had an F4. But then again that game was as realistic as Lord of the Rings

Edited June 6, 2016 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Both F-4 and A-4 were slashed because of brand and government involvement.

Only if you want simulate all system to military degree spec

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

F-4 and A-4 Made by McDonnell-Douglas and Douglas (brand now owned by Boeing). If Boeing is being that way about this stuff (like Northrop Grumman was with Pacific Fighters content) that bodes ill for things in terms of a Pacific War scenario.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I dont think that would be the case, if so than ED would be forbidden to make P-47, LN would have issues with F4U. As far as I remember in Pacific Fighters all the problem was that they handled it poorly with Grumman. Microsoft had no problems with their CFS 2, all the goodies were there.

 

As for the F-4 and A-4, I think that was more related to the fact that both not so long ago were still in service and some of their electronic/radar systems were still used ? Not so sure.  

[216th_Xenos]

BOEI Battle of Engine Improvement

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Republic/Fairchild name is now owned by an Israeli defense conglomerate. Curtiss, Bell, and Vought are still independent companies.

 

North American is part of Boeing and they did add P-51 in DCS so maybe Boeing is cool with that, maybe it is related to the tech, who knows. If they just modeled the 60s versions of those 2 I don't see the problem, seems dumb to stop it as that was their time of main use anyways, just leave the glass cockpit mods or whatever it is out of them. 

[Sokol1]

Haven`t watched those yet but it`s just sad to read that propaganda on those descriptions of these Soviet/Russian films.

 

Western world is sooooo bad and mistreating the glorious Russians 

 

Sorry for 

 

 

Funny because in case of the linked video the description was not made by "Soviet/Russian" but for the Western producer of this documentary. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unknown_War_(documentary)

[LLv24_Zami]

Funny because in case of the linked video

the description was not made by

"Soviet/Russian" but for the Western producer of this documentary.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unknown_War_(d

ocumentary)

Oh, I was not reading. At work and using phone. Sorry

 

Is that text really in the film?

[Aap]

I guess every nation looks at things from their own perspective and does some propaganda for their own sake, but it is also pretty obvious that if a country has no freedom of press and all writings about history must be approved by authorities etc, then the level of propaganda is on a totally different level than in "free" countries.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

No Zami, not in the film. It's just a description from the creators, but not in the documentary series itself.

 

Kemp, there's a wise saying, 'it's only propaganda when it's the other guy doing it'. Both sides sold their story as expected, and while one downplays the other the stories mostly check. The one difference you will find in Soviet history is relating to specific personalities. For example, Stalin's rep while nothing to brag about was not nearly as damaged as when Khrushchev came to power. In the official books, Zhukov has come in and out of history due to (completely unjustified, let that be clear) fallouts, first with Stalin and then with Khrushchev. But outside of school textbooks, the truth remained the truth. Testament to that is when Zhukov was brought to his deserving place in history by Brezhnev, after some 20 years of having his reputation smeared or mostly erased, and he was invited to speak before a Victory Day Parade. When the people saw him, applause was virtually endless, to the point that the organisers had to ask people a few times to cut it out so that he could deliver his speech 

 

But back on topic, that cool expansion thingy. I think we'll either see an update or an announcement soon, every time the website/forums start acting up it takes a day or two and we get something new.

 

We need some of these for sure, to get to the target with escort, bomb it out then go alone hunting for Junkers and Bf-110 

 

[unreasonable]

No Zami, not in the film. It's just a description from the creators, but not in the documentary series itself.

 

Kemp, there's a wise saying, 'it's only propaganda when it's the other guy doing it'. Both sides sold their story as expected, and while one downplays the other the stories mostly check. The one difference you will find in Soviet history is relating to specific personalities. For example, Stalin's rep while nothing to brag about was not nearly as damaged as when Khrushchev came to power. In the official books, Zhukov has come in and out of history due to (completely unjustified, let that be clear) fallouts, first with Stalin and then with Khrushchev. But outside of school textbooks, the truth remained the truth. Testament to that is when Zhukov was brought to his deserving place in history by Brezhnev, after some 20 years of having his reputation smeared or mostly erased, and he was invited to speak before a Victory Day Parade. When the people saw him, applause was virtually endless, to the point that the organisers had to ask people a few times to cut it out so that he could deliver his speech 

 

 

The way of looking at propaganda; the "everybody does it" view, ignores the difference between the official narrative and the possibility of publishing alternative view points.

 

While it is true that all sides had (and still have) an official narrative, which was published as propaganda, at least in the west it was - and still is - possible to research and write work on both current affairs and history that dissents from the official view, without being sent to a camp, jailed or murdered. This was not true in either Nazi Germany or the USSR, both societies in which public dissent from the official line on matters of national security (and pretty much anything else) could lead to terminal consequences.

 

This is not to say that western views of WW2, official and unofficial, did not for many years downplay the contribution of the USSR. As others have said, everyone tends to be most interested in the history of their own nation, after all this is also the history of their grandparents. It was also simply much harder for western historians to research what happened on the eastern front.

 

But I do believe that taking any announcement from the USSR about WW2 with a large grain of salt is justified, if only because it is so hard to weigh the official narrative against alternatives given the scarcity of reliable data. In contrast, we can look at any significant topic regarding the western powers in WW2 and find hundreds of independently researched books and papers offering a range of views. Even at the time, there was public dissent about the performance of the armed forces, strategy and equipment that annoyed the powers-that-be.

[DD_Arthur]

 Testament to that is when Zhukov was brought to his deserving place in history by Brezhnev, after some 20 years of having his reputation smeared or mostly erased, and he was invited to speak before a Victory Day Parade.

 

Don't kid yourself.  Brezhnev wheeled him out in public again to show people he'd toppled Khrushchev and that he, Brezhnev, was now in charge......and could start writing his version of recent Soviet history.