6./ZG26_Emil Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 I bet the Russians have all of this info archived but it's not the sort of thing that people are too interested in. I am looking for some information about the weather during October and November 1941 during operation Typhoon. Yes I have books and websites but they are very general and barely touch on the weather conditions. Mainly I am interested in when the conditions shifted from rain/snow/mud to totally froze....I guess it was some time in November. Cheers Emil 2
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Do you need in-depth information or just when the ground started to properly freeze? EDIT: I found this, it may be what you're looking for. Here is a graph of average monthly temperature, actual - winter 1941/42 (continuous line) versus normal (dashed line) A temperature from the weather station at Khodynka airfield in Moscow, with dates. Minimum in blue, maximum in pink, daily average in yellow. As you can see it was in the last days of November that the weather really went cold and stayed that way. From that same thread, here is a daily weather report by the Kalinin Front headquarters: 21.10 Cloudy. Strong rainfall from the morning of 20.10.23.10 Cloudy. Slight rainfall. Roads are hardly passable.24.10 Cloudy, occasional rainfall. Roads are hardly passable for motor transport.25.10 Cloudy. Roads are hardly passable for motor transport.26.10 Cloudy, wet snow and rainfall during the day. Road conditions deteriorated, movement of automobile transport is hampered.27.10 Rainy and cloudy weather makes roads hardly passable for automobile transport.28.10 Cloudy, wet snow and rainfall. Roads are very hardly passable. By the evening a slight freezing began. Roads have improved somewhat.29.10 Fine, roads are in better condition after freezing.30.10 Icing on roads. Movement is strongly hampered for all kinds of transport.31.10 Slight warming. Icing on roads, occasional rain. Road condition deteriorated.1.10 Slight freezing, occasional snowfall.2.11 Cloudy, slight warming, occasional snowfall and drizzling rain. Roads are filled with water and are hardly passable for auto transport.4.11 Strong freezing. Road conditions have improved.5.11 Roads are passable for all kinds of transport.6.11 Weather is fine, frost. Roads are passable for all kinds of transport.7.11 Cloudy, cold. Snowfall. Roads are passable.8.11 Cloudy, warming, occasional snowfall. Roads are hardly passable.9.11 Cloudy, warming. Roads have worsened.10.11 Weather is cloudy. Temperature -3ºC. Roads are passable.11.11 Strong freezing down to -15ºC. Icing on roads by the morning, snowfall. Roads are hardly passable.12.11 Temperature from -12 to -15ºC.13.11 Temperature: -18ºC in the daytime, -22ºC in the nighttime. Moscow sea and Volga are frozen, ice can sustain small groups of infantry,14.11 Weather is cloudy, -13ºC – day, -16ºC – night. Roads are passable.15.11 Temperature: -7ºC in the day and -10ºC in the night. Depth of snow cover – 4-5 cm.16.11 Temperature: -7ºC in the day and -10ºC in the night. Ice on Volga and Moscow Sea is 12 cm deep.17.11 Temperature: -6ºC in the day and -8-9ºC in the night.18.11 Temperature: -9ºC in the day and -12ºC in the night19.11 Temperature: -7ºC in the day and -8ºC in the night.20.11 Temperature: -7ºC in the day and -8-9ºC in the night. Snow cover is 10-12 cm deep.21.11 Temperature: -6-7ºC in the day and -5-6ºC in the night22.11 Temperature: -6ºC in the day and -5ºC in the night.23.11 Weather is cloudy. Temperature: -5ºC in the day and -3-4ºC in the night. Icing, roads are difficult for horse-drawn transport.24.11 Low clouds. Occasional snowfall and hoarfrost. Temperature: -5ºC in the day and -7ºC in the night25.11 Temperature: -8ºC in the day and -9ºC in the night.26.11 Temperature: -10ºC in the day and -16ºC in the night.27.11 Temperature -13ºC.28.11 Temperature: -8ºC in the day and -11ºC in the night. Depth of snow cover – 6 cm.29.11 Temperature: -3-4ºC in the day and -4-6ºC in the night.30.11 Temperature: -2ºC in the day and -3ºC in the night.1.12 Temperature: -5ºC in the day and -8,5ºC in the night.2.12 Temperature: -8ºC in the day and -14ºC in the night. Slight snowfall in the morning.3.12 Temperature: -5ºC in the day and -5-6ºC in the night. Slight snowfall in all parts of the front during the day.4.12 Temperature: -21-18ºC in the day and -16-21ºC in the night. Slight snowfall.5.12 Temperature: -27-24ºC in the day and -24ºC in the night. Slight snowfall. Snow cover is 8 cm deep, ice on Volga – 35-37 cm deep.6.12 Temperature: -23ºC in the day and -24ºC in the night.7.12 Temperature: -25-21ºC in the day and -18ºC in the night. Slight snowfall in the north-west wing area.8.12 Abrupt rise of temperature from -14 to -3ºC. During night and morning snowfall and blizzard all over the front. Snow cover is 9 cm deep.9.12 Temperature – from -1ºC to +1ºC. Fog and hoarfrost in the day. Movement on roads is hampered due to snow.10.12 Temperature from -3 to -5ºC. During the second half of the day – snowfall and blizzard all over the front. Movement on roads is hampered.11.12 Temperature: -8-12ºC in the day and -6ºC in the night.12.12 By the morning temperature rises to +4ºC, in the second half of the day drops down to -12ºC. Depth of snow cover is 13 cm. In the first half of the day – rain, in the second – icing.13.12 Temperature: -14-16ºC in the day and -22ºC in the night. Snowfall and blizzard in the second half of the day. Icing on roads. Depth of snow cover – 14 cm.14.12 Temperature: -20-22ºC in the day and -15-20ºC in the night. Snowfall and blizzard in the night 13/14.12, Depth of snow cover – 16 cm. Movement on roads is hampered.15.12 Temperature: -29-25ºC in the day and -24-29ºC in the night. Snow cover is 20-24 cm deep.16.12 Temperature rises from -25 to -10ºC. Moderate snowfall in all sectors of the front. Depth of snow cover is 28-30 cm.17.12 Temperature: -10-13ºC in the day and -7-10ºC in the night. Slight snowfall in the night 16/17.12 Depth of snow – 32 cm.18.12 Temperature: -10-12ºC. Depth of snow cover – 35 cm. Snowfall during the day in all parts of the front.19.12 Weather is cloudy and still. Temperature -12-18ºC. Snow cover – 35 cm. Roads are passable.20.12 Weather is cloudy and windless. Snowfall on the right wing. In other sectors - fog, visibility – 1 km. Temperature -10-13ºC. Snow cover 35-38 cm.21.12 Weather is still. Temperature from -12-14ºC to -7-10ºC. Snow cover – 35-38 cm.22.12 Temperature from -3 to -1ºC. Occasional snowfall in the morning, blizzard during the day. Snow cover – 40-45 cm. Movement on roads is hampered.23.12 Temperature from -1ºC to 0. Blizzard and wet snow. Roads are hardly passable.24.12 Temperature drops down to -10-120C. Weather is cloudy, slight snowfall in the morning, Snow cover - 45-50 cm. Roads are hardly passable.25.12 Fine in the morning, cloudy and fog during the day. Temperature -24-29ºC. Snow cover - 45-50 cm.26.12 Fine in the morning, cloudy during the day. Temperature is -24-29ºC. Snow cover – 45-50 cm.27.12 Temperature -16-18ºC. Blizzard with strong wind by the morning, slight snowfall in the daytime. Roads are hardly passable.28.12 Weather is changeable. Slight snowfall. Temperature -18-20ºC.29.12 Fine, windless. Temperature -23-28ºC.30.12 Mostly cloudy, windless. Temperature -21-16ºC, on the left wing slight fog with -30-28ºC. On the right wing and in the center – slight snowfall. Depth of snow cover is 48-50 cm.31.12 Cloudy, windless. Temperature is 19-20ºC. Depth of snow cover – 46-50 cm. Edited May 24, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell 1
seafireliv Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 Wow, amazing. I never considered that such detailed records would be kept.
-TBC-AeroAce Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 Wow, amazing. I never considered that such detailed records would be kept. most weather is documented from 18-19 th century onward as this was when scietific thinking really started to get a grip
ShamrockOneFive Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 As a weather enthusiast... I love this! Also it makes me shudder with memories of Winter 2013 which looked remarkably similar in temperatures.
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