IL-10 STURMOVIK: BATTLE OF BERLIN

[SOLIDKREATE]

Just out of curiosity who would like to see this? What plane sets would you dream up?

 

 

This is mine for the AXIS

 

 

 

• Bf-109G-10
• Bf-109K-4
• Fw-190F-8
• Fw1-90D-9
• Ta-152H-1
• Bf-110G-4
• Ju-87G-1
• Ju-88G-6
• Ju-88A-17
• Ju-188E
• Ar-234
• Me-262 (Special Aircraft Set)

 

 

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The aircraft themselves are very interesting but the air campaign was extremely limited. Or rather, there was barely any air-to-air conflict.

 

Soviet aircraft were flying ground attack undisturbed in the air but faced butchering AAA. German aircraft would take off in whatever groups they could muster and flew into certain death from the air and ground.

 

If to name five Allied aircraft for this campaign specifically, I would have the La-7, Yak-3 and Yak-9U for fighters, Il-10 and Tu-2S for bombers.

 

However, a more interesting scenario to me would be a 1944/1945 campaign which would feature some of these aircraft or close equivalents but depicting more intense aerial campaigns, leading to the Battle of Berlin. The offensive across the Baltics for example lasted a long time and featured a lot of the aircraft you mentioned, including the Me-262, and there were lots of ground action, air action and anti-shipping operations.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Many of the planes listed did not or unsignificanlty participate in the Battle of Berlin at the eastern front. By 1945 the german bomber air force was basicly grounded due to all larger airfields being bombed and strafed by allied fighters while there were only some smaller grass fields and hidden airbases availabel for fighter aircraft to operate from safely.

 

The Arado 234, often referred to as a "Blitzbomber", served mainly as a reconissence aircraft. Only few of them were produced of which again few took to the air. Only some of them were to be modified with a bomber conversion kit, which revealed some serious issues of the aircraft's design as a bomber.

 

Ju-188/-88 - well, quite unrealtsic for that time.

 

Ta-152H - western front aircraft only as far as I know and it was deployed in small numbers.

 

Ju-87 G-1 - again not very realistic and it's already ingame. By 1945 the Ju-87 was out of production already and spare parts became more rare. Often multiple damaged aircraft had to be used for field repairs. Also the Ju-87s main role by that time was as a nightbomber, for which it was fitted with flame dampers and night flying equipment. Those series were called D-7 and D-8 and also deployed with anti tank guns. If anything a D-7 or G-2 would make some sense, although only a andfull were operational by the time the final battle sof Berlin took place.

 

Bf-110 G-4 - again a rare sight by 1945 over allied ruled airspace.

 

Some more realistic selection would be:

 

- Bf-109 G-6/10/14

- Bf-109 K-4

- Fw-190 D-9

- Fw-190 A-8/-9/F-8

- Me-262 A-1/-2

- He-162 A-1

- Me-163 B-3

- Ar-234 (Recon)

Edited May 23, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Juri_JS]

The aircraft themselves are very interesting but the air campaign was extremely limited. Or rather, there was barely any air-to-air conflict.

That's not true Lucas. After the failed Ardennes offensive most Luftwaffe units were send to the east to stop the Soviet advance to the Oder river. Moreover these units received most of the remaining fuel supplies. This was the largest concentration of German aircraft in the east since the battle of Kursk. In February and March the Luftwaffe was even able to achieve local air superiority in some sectors of the front. German activity only declined in late March when fuel became more and more scarce, nonetheless there were large scale air battles when the final offensive on Berlin began, with heavy losses on both sides. For example, on the first day of the Berlin offensive the Luftwaffe reported 891 combat missions and 125 claims of Soviet aircraft. Resistance only ceased when the airfields were overrun by advancing troops.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I think I expressed myself badly then - I consider the Vistula-Oder Offensive a separate chapter from the Battle of Berlin. That operation falls into the late 1944/early 1945 activities where the Luftwaffe really gave every last drop of blood, fuel and last bullet they had.

[Juri_JS]

If we ever get a Berlin scenario the fighting along the Oder river will certainly be part of it. The Red Army reached the river, which is less than 60 km away from Berlin, in late January. Limiting such a module to the final offensive that was over after just two weeks wouldn't make much sense.

 

Of course the map could also be used for earlier scenarios if we get a few RAF/USAAF planes together with the Soviet aircraft.

[Trooper117]

нет!

[Gump]

If we ever get a Berlin scenario the fighting along the Oder river will certainly be part of it. The Red Army reached the river, which is less than 60 km away from Berlin, in late January. Limiting such a module to the final offensive that was over after just two weeks wouldn't make much sense.

 

Of course the map could also be used for earlier scenarios if we get a few RAF/USAAF planes together with the Soviet aircraft.

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and this may entice more sales/participation.

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the new planesets mentioned sound very enticing, but it sounds like a lot of new work for development, along with new maps. might be the refreshment that breathes new life into things, though.

[Brano]

I always wanted to be slinged into space in Bachem Natter. Please,add it to the list   

[LukeFF]

I always wanted to be slinged into space in Bachem Natter. Please,add it to the list

Only if we get the Lerche first! :D

[MF_pennsy]

I've not seen any discussion of the US and British planes involved in the Battle of Berlin. I know the modeling would be a major task. The plus side is having the American planes would draw clients that have that preference. I know a lot of guys sticking with AH because there are no American Allied planes (P-40 not enough to sway them) Of course, my desire roots in my wanting those planes myself, but they were at the BOB. Who wouldn't want a B-17 modeled to IL-2 standard?
 I'd also like a FPS in the line of BF2 mixed in, but that's another story.

 

I missed those comments about USAAF/ RAF before posting

Edited July 15, 2016 by MFMF_pennsy

[Ace_Pilto]

If I see the Horten 229 emerge in this topic unironically I'm going to kick a puppy.

 

It's a good scenario, just don't pollute it with meme planes like the He-162, Ta-152H and Do-335, stick to the types that did the heavy lifting and leave the bullshit to Gaijin.

[JG13_opcode]

Many of the planes listed did not or unsignificanlty participate in the Battle of Berlin at the eastern front. By 1945 the german bomber air force was basicly grounded due to all larger airfields being bombed and strafed by allied fighters while there were only some smaller grass fields and hidden airbases availabel for fighter aircraft to operate from safely.

 

The Arado 234, often referred to as a "Blitzbomber", served mainly as a reconissence aircraft. Only few of them were produced of which again few took to the air. Only some of them were to be modified with a bomber conversion kit, which revealed some serious issues of the aircraft's design as a bomber.

 

Ju-188/-88 - well, quite unrealtsic for that time.

 

Ta-152H - western front aircraft only as far as I know and it was deployed in small numbers.

 

Ju-87 G-1 - again not very realistic and it's already ingame. By 1945 the Ju-87 was out of production already and spare parts became more rare. Often multiple damaged aircraft had to be used for field repairs. Also the Ju-87s main role by that time was as a nightbomber, for which it was fitted with flame dampers and night flying equipment. Those series were called D-7 and D-8 and also deployed with anti tank guns. If anything a D-7 or G-2 would make some sense, although only a andfull were operational by the time the final battle sof Berlin took place.

 

Bf-110 G-4 - again a rare sight by 1945 over allied ruled airspace.

 

Some more realistic selection would be:

 

- Bf-109 G-6/10/14

- Bf-109 K-4

- Fw-190 D-9

- Fw-190 A-8/-9/F-8

- Me-262 A-1/-2

- He-162 A-1

- Me-163 B-3

- Ar-234 (Recon)

 

What about the Hornisse?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

If I see the Horten 229 emerge in this topic unironically I'm going to kick a puppy.

 

It's a good scenario, just don't pollute it with meme planes like the He-162, Ta-152H and Do-335, stick to the types that did the heavy lifting and leave the bullshit to Gaijin.

 

I'm with you on the 162 and, even as a Focke Wulf devote, the 152 was hardly used...........................

 

But that 335 is too cool to leave on the drawing board and it was a PITA to catch in the old '46 with my trusty Mustang. I'd love to see her fly again in this graphics engine (along with that trusty Mustang as well).

Edited July 17, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[CUJO_1970]

FW-190F-9 Panzerblitz

FW-190A-9

[Kurfurst]

I like the idea, but is a huge development task. Because of the end-war scenario, almost every unit need to be re-done, including ground units.

 

For LW order of battle in the spring of 1945 on the Eastern Front, this might be an interesting document - the TOE the 6th Air Fleet in the East in March 1945.