Just got out of the pod back from 1943

[II./JG27_Rich]

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Beautiful

[=CFC=Conky]

HUBBA HUBBA!

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

Please note after one of the startups how smartly and quickly the Bf 109 does an immediate left turn to the runway, without ground looping.

[BraveSirRobin]

 

Please note after one of the startups how smartly and quickly the Bf 109 does an immediate left turn to the runway, without ground looping.

Probably the result of a LOT of practice by the pilot.

[BlitzPig_EL]

And the fact that no one tinkered with a "ground physics" number in the earth's FM just to make it harder, as well...

Edited May 22, 2016 by BlitzPig_EL

[BraveSirRobin]

And the fact that no one tinkered with a "ground physics" number in the earth's FM just to make it harder, as well...

No, it's probably just practice.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Anyway... 

 

Is that an F4?

 

I don't see the bulges on the sides of the cowling like the G6s have for the machine guns.

[JtD]

You can see it is a G model by the two small cooling inlets on the side of the cowling just in front and above the exhaust. Also, no retractable tail wheel.

 

It's a G-4.

 

Already said it in the other topic - it's interesting to see the pilot has to fully deflect the elevator to nose down, to reduce tail wheel load and initiate the turn, and the turn stopping without any rudder counter action. Would like to reproduce that in game, but can't try because after the last update it doesn't start any more.

Edited May 22, 2016 by JtD

[II./JG27_Rich]

It's the one that Meier Motors put together in Germany, then shipped to The Fighter Factory in Virginia. It's a G2/4 and a very nice one if you've followed along like I have over the years you'll know. Now they have an E1 G6 and a G12 on the go all Daimler Benz powered

 

 

Edited May 22, 2016 by II./JG27_Rich

[BlitzPig_EL]

One of the BlitzPigs did some digging, and found it's a re-engined Buchon?

 

Hmmm....

Edited May 22, 2016 by BlitzPig_EL

[seafireliv]

Amazing really. I saw one on u-tube where they had completely restored an I16, that baby was beautiful watching it fly.

[69th_chuter]

Nowadays I'm not sure that one could really call this any specific G model.  Even a G-6 without the bulges would be impossible to differentiate.   Cowl scoops were pointed out for an ID, though the cowls are almost certainly new, and look at the oil cooling scoop.  There were many small internal variances between versions and this project is based on a Buchon which has its own variations and who knows what minor tweaks, if any, were made to "correct" any of them.   Just me.

 

I'm struggling a bit with the black/white spinner, though.  (Asperger's)  The blades are green and the bulk of the spinner should be, too.  I'm forcing myself to think the field unit painted the green over (never seen that done though ...).  Reminds me of when the 335 came back to NASM from Germany with black spinners even though the paint analysis NASM sent over there with the project (and the front spinner itself - rear was lost) clearly showed they were green.  

[Feathered_IV]

Is it just me, or do the contours of the forward cowlings and spinner shape look a bit funny?

[Elem]

Is it just me, or do the contours of the forward cowlings and spinner shape look a bit funny?

Its not you. I was going to say the same.

[BlitzPig_EL]

As I said, it's a converted Buchon, so it will have some odd things going on to get a DB 601 in a spot meant for a Merlin.

[Elem]

As I said, it's a converted Buchon, so it will have some odd things going on to get a DB 601 in a spot meant for a Merlin.

Errr! Yes, the Buchon was a G-2 airframe intended to house a DB605 but converted to use the Merlin.

 

Red 7 is also a DB605 engined Buchon but the spinner/cowling intersection is better.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Elem

[Asgar]

well, it was restored by the Messerschmitt foundation. they know what they're doing

[ShamrockOneFive]

You know its kind of a funny story when you think about it. Here's an airframe designed for the Daimler Benz engine, converted to accept a RR Merlin, and then later converted again to accept the original engine.

 

Glad to see it flying! I had the pleasure of seeing a Bf109E several years ago at an airshow do a fantastic performance. It was later damaged in a pole strike and I don't know what happened to it after that. What a sound though!

[II./JG27_Rich]

As I said, it's a converted Buchon, so it will have some odd things going on to get a DB 601 in a spot meant for a Merlin.

No Merlin or Hispano - Suiza was made to be fitted on a 109 ever...It was a mish mash compromised Frankenstein aeroplane if you ask me. When ever they get a Buchon and fit it with a Daimler Benz engine they're making it what it should  been again.

Edited May 24, 2016 by II./JG27_Rich

[wtornado]

 

Please note after one of the startups how smartly and quickly the Bf 109 does an immediate left turn to the runway, without ground looping.

That plane is not modelled right send it back to the hanger and work on it until it ground loops.

 

It is too tail heavy not like in game.

Edited May 24, 2016 by WTornado

[II./JG27_Rich]

Nowadays I'm not sure that one could really call this any specific G model.  Even a G-6 without the bulges would be impossible to differentiate.   Cowl scoops were pointed out for an ID, though the cowls are almost certainly new, and look at the oil cooling scoop.  There were many small internal variances between versions and this project is based on a Buchon which has its own variations and who knows what minor tweaks, if any, were made to "correct" any of them.   Just me.

 

I'm struggling a bit with the black/white spinner, though.  (Asperger's)  The blades are green and the bulk of the spinner should be, too.  I'm forcing myself to think the field unit painted the green over (never seen that done though ...).  Reminds me of when the 335 came back to NASM from Germany with black spinners even though the paint analysis NASM sent over there with the project (and the front spinner itself - rear was lost) clearly showed they were green.  

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnpC_BcK7xY

 

 

 

 

All former homely Buchons

Edited May 27, 2016 by II./JG27_Rich

[Blutaar]

Nice Vids, how damn stable it flys, no whobbling and just a joy to look at.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 no whobbling

 

Precisely.

 

Hopefully the last taint of WW1 will be banished from the global physics calculations in this series soon.

 

The devs really need to see more videos like these and then compare them to how the planes in the "sim" behave in flight.

 

The hard core zealots will all scream "Planes on rails!!!!", but they are wrong, and have been all along.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The Bf-109F-4/G-2 stability has been in their to-do list for a couple of months now. The Bf-109F-2 and Bf-109E-7 are already revised, while the Stalingrad versions are still being fine-tuned. They know what they're doing

[MadisonV44]

Hopefully the last taint of WW1 will be banished from the global physics calculations in this series soon.

 

The devs really need to see more videos like these and then compare them to how the planes in the "sim" behave in flight.

 

The hard core zealots will all scream "Planes on rails!!!!", but they are wrong, and have been all along.

 

+1000

I wish you are right ! Those WW1 physics will be not the last but a very important fine tuning to propulse this game.

A lot of pilots unfortunately gave  up because of this.  

Edited May 28, 2016 by MadisonV44

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The Bf-109F-2 and Bf-109E-7 are already revised, while the Stalingrad versions are still being fine-tuned. They know what they're doing

Negative, the F-2 uses a variant of the F-4 FM and handles pretty much the same. The only thing that has been revised so far were landing gear shock absorbers, which are now working quite well.

 

Anyway, let's not tun this into a FM debate, else....

 

For some reason I don't quite like the paint scheme on this one. Don't know if it's historical or not but it just looks a bit off to me. From all flying 1s I think the G-10 is the prettiest.

[JtD]

Precisely.

 

Hopefully the last taint of WW1 will be banished from the global physics calculations in this series soon.

 

The devs really need to see more videos like these and then compare them to how the planes in the "sim" behave in flight.

 

The hard core zealots will all scream "Planes on rails!!!!", but they are wrong, and have been all along.

 

Imho not an FM issue, but a control setup option issue. They are way over-sensitive even when sensitivity is turned all the way down. You probably remember the custom sensitivity settings you could do for your joystick in 1946? That's exactly what we need here as well.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

My bad 5tuka

 

There does seem to be something off with the paint scheme here, not sure what though.

[LukeFF]

The hard core zealots will all scream "Planes on rails!!!!", but they are wrong, and have been all along.

Let's keep the name-calling out of this, please.

[Willy__]

 

 

Precisely.   Hopefully the last taint of WW1 will be banished from the global physics calculations in this series soon.   The devs really need to see more videos like these and then compare them to how the planes in the "sim" behave in flight.   The hard core zealots will all scream "Planes on rails!!!!", but they are wrong, and have been all along.

 

You should try BoM E7. If you think that thing is wobbly, then the problem is on your end. The F2, F4 and G2 could use a revision though.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Imho not an FM issue, but a control setup option issue. They are way over-sensitive even when sensitivity is turned all the way down. You probably remember the custom sensitivity settings you could do for your joystick in 1946? That's exactly what we need here as well.

 

Having jumped into RoF recently... It's a shame that all of the custom settings there haven't made their way to IL-2 yet. I say yet with some hope that they will be.

 

You can set custom curves per aircraft if you want which looks like a really great thing in some circumstances!