Hacker IlyaPavlov 1337

[Lusekofte]

In order to ban people in servers, is this by name or IP address?

Because name and IP is easily changeable. In order to ban properly it is needed to be banned by license. And this is important nothing kills a server faster than cheaters

Cheating is fun to troll others.

 

Yep pissed off people trigger them to do more damage, pretty ironic the best defense is ignoring them 

And this tread is hacked, it shows no view and no respond and is slowly getting buried 

[Y-29.Silky]

The hacks are there .!!!

They have been around for quite a while .

With icons and aim assist in expert servers .

Kind of like Mr.X getting 5 kills in 15 minutes... Which were 4 Yaks and a La-5.

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/677012/?tour=10

 

or even 11 minutes.

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/676646/?tour=10

 

It takes everyone else 10 minutes to even find an enemy in WoL server.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Y-29.Silky

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

the campaign in BOS is really good...

[Jade_Monkey]

4minutes out you see a PE 2 with unlimited bombs and indestructable . I think it is this he means. This clip is from WOL server

 

 

 

As you can see in the messages, I was there.

I remember this match vividly because how odd it was that the airfield kept being bombed. This is how I saw it:

 

• I join the server.
• I see the airfield is under attack but I think to myself: "attacks don't last long, AA and other players will have it cleared really fast since this has been going on for a bit"
• I spawn at that airfield at my own risk
• I immediately get killed by guns and a ton of bombs.
• I didn't see a lot of enemy planes, so I thought: "they already dropped the bombs, it should be much safer"
• I spawn there at my own risk again, just to see a ton of bombs dropped on me again. I'm talking about the whole loadout (again).
• I learn my lesson and spawn further away.

I remember thinking how many bombs were being dropped for such a small number of enemy planes.

 

I know this is not hard evidence of any kind, but I would believe it if you tell me they were using some infinite ammo cheat.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Jade_Monkey

[HippyDruid]

That video evidence seems pretty damning. And that's pretty sad!

 

On a lighter note, Brave Rob's response to being affiliated with the ongoing shenanigans brought a smile to my face. 

[von_Tom]

Han from the Russian forums:

 

Incidentally, the ratio of cheaters from our data 1 to 10. In one cheater outside Russia accounted for 10 cheaters in Russia. Given that only 17% of users in Russia.

Those. the tendency of our countrymen to-virpilov cheating higher 60 times than the world average.

The Features e angles, I must say. I'm here for ourselves this existential made some conclusions, I must say.

 

Google translate - https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=ru&u=http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/4354-chitery-net-ne-slyshal/page-2&usg=ALkJrhi3-owPLEYkb1X7qGZbQ0EDAZul6A

 

Far "better" for cheaters to use non obvious methods - aiming and sight hacks for example.  Then there's nothing so overt as to tip you off.  As Han says in that thread, people can vote to ban.

 

von Tom

[150GCT_Veltro]

So, here we go again with hackers?

 

Nice......

 

These kinde of people would deserve some strong psychological therapies.

Edited May 16, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[StG2_Manfred]

In order to ban people in servers, is this by name or IP address?

Because name and IP is easily changeable. In order to ban properly it is needed to be banned by license. And this is important nothing kills a server faster than cheaters

From reading Han's translated posts in the link vonTom posted the account is banned I think. And that's what they recommend, that the community watch out and ban such guys.

 

A way would be a blacklist which server admins could use together (stored on the official 1C server and synced when the server is starting up). Every banned account is automatically written onto this list and deleted after one or two weeks. With such a collaboration at least the already known villains would be banned automatically from all servers.

 

 

EDIT: And from watching the chat in the video now (had to use a proxy, because it's not available in Germany), that there are still people denying the clear facts and insulting others instead, makes the situation even worser. Same like in this forum sometimes. Sorry, but I have to be that frank.

Edited May 16, 2016 by StG2_Manfred

[J2_Trupobaw]

In obvious cases like above, banning accounts by 1CGs is the way to go. Making every such jolly evening cost the hacker 60$ minimum in lost planes should be enough to deter them.

 

... and if they can afford to buy new copy of BoS each time they go on hacking spree, at least they are financing future development  .

Edited May 16, 2016 by Trupobaw

[ema33ig]

From reading Han's translated posts in the link vonTom posted the account is banned I think. And that's what they recommend, that the community watch out and ban such guys.

 

A way would be a blacklist which server admins could use together (stored on the official 1C server and synced when the server is starting up). Every banned account is automatically written onto this list and deleted after one or two weeks. With such a collaboration at least the already known villains would be banned automatically from all servers.

Good idea. The server will be almost empty, grrr

[216th_Peterla]

In obvious cases like above, banning accounts by 1CGs is the way to go. Making every such jolly evening cost the hacker 60$ minimum in lost planes should be enough to deter them.

 

... and if they can afford to buy new copy of BoS each time they go on hacking spree, at least they are financing future development  .

If you have a permanent ban from Rockstar Games on GTA V you need to buy a new game on another account in order to play GTA Online. GTA Online is hackerland right know, but Rockstar get rid of them in aleatory sweeps. Anyways, one thing I use to do when playing GTA Online is warn them(the hackers) that I recording the game. This make them leave the game in fear to be "perma-bannned". If we don't have such a system here(perma-ban from 1CGs) will be difficult to get rid of them.

Also, if the hacker plays with a cheap version of the game(the limited plane version commercialized on Russia, if I'm not mistaken) we'll be easy for them to bypass the "low cost" system again.

Saddly, you only need a rotten apple to rotten the whole basket full of apples.

[StG2_Manfred]

Good idea. The server will be almost empty, grrr

Well, still better than have these guys on board. Who needs 'participants' you even cannot ram out of sky. And I could imagine that fun get lost if you get always a fortnight ban once you are revealed, not to mention the lost of reputation.

 

Of course, a fix would be the best solution, but if I understand Han's explanations correctly it happens on a driver level and is difficult to detect or prevent. So I think we have to deal with it, at least for a while.

Edited May 16, 2016 by StG2_Manfred

[Lusekofte]

The video I showed is not mine, I picked it up in ATAG site and was meant to be a laugh there. The bitter pill to swallow is that everybody is paying a price for this. No more can we trust a good pilot and accusations will overflow the chat. There is no doubts cheats are being used, and the man doing it in this video was pretty damn bad at flying, he started to drop bombs 1 k from target and did not mind being exposed as a cheater. He had no skills what so ever.

I saw someone bring Mr.X into this, he flew in cod and was accused for cheating , the fact is none should be accused until hard facts prove it, like this video. Mr.X has a talent of being in the right place at the right time, he is extremely good in spotting and a very good shot

[GrendelsDad]

One thing I have noticed about being in the right place at the right time with MRX...when he gets a kill people ask what grid is he in?  Like moths to the flame if you ask me.  I do it as I wouldnt mind getting him a time or two.  I had 2 solid chances to get him in 2 flights...Both times my bad gun skills are what kept me from hitting him.  I  got my lagg behind him nicely and just missed my shot.  Not speaking for everyone but thats my experience with him.

[SCG_Neun]

What's kind of scary is that these examples are so over the top and obvious.  This is just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on in a more subtle form in less obvious scenarios everyday.  For the exceptional and honest player his scores come under undeserved scrutiny as long as this kind of activity is present.  Just a darn shame all the way around.  The only check and balance is a community cross check based on reputation and past relationships.  New tags, with amazing scores, are subject to review.  Sounds like this is more centered in the EU timezone for now.

Edited May 16, 2016 by 4./JG52_Neun

[150GCT_Veltro]

Hacking is a legal violation of the license agreement if i'm not wrong.

Account should have to be banned and the license deleted.

 

...but...may be they should also check the license of these guys, cracked?

[SCG_Neun]

You are right Veltro, something from the Devs should be done....I was just thinking about our response options.  I hope there is a way to identify these guys and effectively take action, but this has been talked about for a long time now and I haven't seen any corrective actions.  If actions are being taken or have in the past, it would be good for the Dev's to post anything positive in this area.  Nothing that would give away a technical oversight advantage, but some stats about subjects that have been banned or accounts revoked, if that is an option.  I'm sure they are working on this.  

[SAG]

I remember getting killed that day by something invisible, no tracers, no sounds, no plane. i just got a red screen and my engine died, crashed into the ground. 

 

then, when i looked at my stats, i had 0 deaths. 

[Livai]

Hey look there is a 109 that do crazy FM things

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08zLKQtQNg

 

 

 

 

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Han's replies from the Russian forums, where a discussion about this has been going on for days as well, with developer input - sorry for the poor translation but it give you a rough idea:

 

Давайте переведем тему к конструктиву:

 

Какой софт для читинга через анализ оперативной памяти и подмены переменных, кроме Art Money, вы знаете? Это поможет в определенной мере.

 

"Let's change subject to something constructive:

 

Which software against cheating that works through analysing operating memory and manipulation of variables do you guys know, besides Art Money? That will help to some extent."

 

Проверили голосовалку за бан только что. Все работает.

 

50% + 1 голос

 

Видимо кто-то столбик красный воспринял как "процент от всех игроков", а это "процент от необходимого для бана колличества". 

 

Бан сейчас происходит на сутки. После апдейта будет неделя.

 

"I tested the ban vote just now. Everything is working.

 

You need 50% + 1 vote.

 

Apparently somebody misunderstood the red column as the "percentage of all players", while that is the "percentage of the amount necessary for banning".

 

Right now bans last for a day, but after the next update they will last for a week."

[Original_Uwe]

This is wonderful!

Now that the game has been hacked perhaps we can start to get a mod community going.

I'd love to see all the old il2 46 modders from places like SAS1946, Ultrapack, histomod, and HSFX get ahold of this and see if they can fix it for offline play.

[Willy__]

Hey look there is a 109 that do crazy FM things

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08zLKQtQNg

 

Thats not hacking, its ping issue with people who have real bad connection. (in this case, the 109 pilot)

Edited May 18, 2016 by Herr_Istruba

[KoN_]

Kind of like Mr.X getting 5 kills in 15 minutes... Which were 4 Yaks and a La-5.

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/677012/?tour=10

 

or even 11 minutes.

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/676646/?tour=10

 

It takes everyone else 10 minutes to even find an enemy in WoL server.

Been on-line many times with Mr.X right back in the early days too when it was white with snow  , He is always around to get the kill , i would ask him some times along with others `where he was , Not too shoot him down`  but because he always found targets while most of us were still looking for our prey  .

Now is he cheating ` who knows no one knows . Maybe he is that good your have to make your own mind up . 

Its not down to the community to solve the cheating` but we can help weed some out ` but you need hard prove and that is really difficult , its Really down to the developers to make a software to stop this .

And please don`t advertise your software to the hackers .

There was cheating in CLOD until Team-fusion came along . 

DCSWorld  also has anti-cheat software .

So why not BOS.

[wtornado]

Well..you know there is not one online game on this computer now that has not been hacked.

 

Even ARMA 3 is hacked that is why my buddies and I play co-ops on ARMA 3 and just co-ops.

 

I would be doing that in here too if I could.

 

At least we do it in Rise of Flight. Invite only.

[DD_Arthur]

 

I would be doing that in here too if I could.

 

At least we do it in Rise of Flight. Invite only.

 

Another really good reason to code RoF's coop mode into BoS. 

Edited May 18, 2016 by DD_Arthur

[I-Cipson]

The Best way it's to organise COOP Events with Selected Players and isolate dishonorable pilots, publishing a list in a "Book of Dishonor".

 

We did it with Wings Of Italy Tournaments and was not necessary even to block weapons we decided to avoid, becouse 160 Skilled and Honourable Pilots respected Rules on their Honour and on the Honour of their Squadrons Leaders.

 

No one of this 160 Pilots & Gentlemen broke the Rules nothwithstanding was possible do it.

 

A great example of Fairplay.

 

Thanks  to this Gentlemen and Shame to dishonorable pilots.

 

A Medal of Dishonour to them

LIST OF DISHONOUR:

IlyaPavlov 1337

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...

...

_____________________

Wings Of Italy

a better simulative environment

Edited May 19, 2016 by ITA_Cipson

[wtornado]

That is pretty good Cipson.

 

It is the guys that do not exaggerate with their hacks and discreetly shoot planes down

or get away from a furball without giving their hacks away that worry me.

[ACG_Invictus]

To quote an old friend of mine: "Hackers gonna hack.  Trollers gonna troll."

 

Bad English grammar, but it gets to the point.  Ignoring these clowns is important.  The more you pay attention, the more they love it.

[Boltac]

 

 

The Best way it's to organise COOP Events with Selected Players and isolate dishonorable pilots

 

 

I agree 100% with that. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Gotta figure out how to join a kick vote. I've seen a few but have never participated.

[ITAF_Rani]

Must create a Virus destroyng their PC when they using cheats...

Edited May 20, 2016 by ITAF_Rani

[SOLIDKREATE]

Gotta figure out how to join a kick vote. I've seen a few but have never participated.

 

 

 

Esc>Player List>(Click on Player)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

MMMmwwhhooooohahahahahahahahaha

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I want his IP, 

 

is this the same guy? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR4F3JWOli3JJ8h8IcuU0CA/featured

 

IlyaPavlov 1337 he has posted in there.

Edited May 22, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Sharing IP's violates forum rules.

[SYN_Speck]

This is wonderful!

Now that the game has been hacked perhaps we can start to get a mod community going.

I'd love to see all the old il2 46 modders from places like SAS1946, Ultrapack, histomod, and HSFX get ahold of this and see if they can fix it for offline play.

 

AKA: Death spiral of the sim. Hacks/mods killed FB/PF/1946. Yes there were some good mods, but they fractured the community, and soon all but the hard core lost interest, while entry of new players died off to zero.

 

The only answer is for the devs to fix it, and quick. The devs need to be right on top of this. It should be possible, since online connection to master server is required - master server should validate integrity, and put the user on probation if it isn't. We all need to play on the same field, and trust that it's so, or it's over.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Sharing IP's violates forum rules.

it would most likly stop them if we could ban ip's.

[Original_Uwe]

AKA: Death spiral of the sim. Hacks/mods killed FB/PF/1946. Yes there were some good mods, but they fractured the community, and soon all but the hard core lost interest, while entry of new players died off to zero.

 

The only answer is for the devs to fix it, and quick. The devs need to be right on top of this. It should be possible, since online connection to master server is required - master server should validate integrity, and put the user on probation if it isn't. We all need to play on the same field, and trust that it's so, or it's over.

No, I'm sorry, but this argument is simply false.

Mods kept il2 playable and what's more selling copies well after it should have gone by the wayside.

Hell its still being played by a lot of people because the mods give people options.

If they were really that bad, 1c wouldn't have given a mod team the source code and license to continue producing updates. Didn't 4.13 release just within the last year? Simply would not have happened without mods and modders.

 

As to your ever complaining "community", sorry to break it to you but the online players are very much a minority. If not then all of these franchises would go tits-up.

More people play offline than on, and mods keep off liners happy and buying more copies.

Furthermore the best servers were mod servers. Zekes vs wildcats, spits vs 109s, etc etc ad infinitum.

The onliner argument against mods boils down to "I want everyone to play my game how I want them to!"

Sorry, but that just doesn't work.

 

We don't all need to play on the same field, because frankly that field is getting rather boring.

Mods could add content to keep the game fresh, and that is desperately needed because the game as is is getting rather stale. Keep it interesting and people will play, lock it and keep it as is and you're just going to see lots of formerly active pilots fade away.

Edited May 22, 2016 by II./JG53_Uwe

[SYN_Haashashin]

.......

 

Uwe all this conversation is simply null since your statement that the game has been hacked is not right. Game hasnt been hacked at all, people use certain cheats (something about an app) but saying that this will means the modding as what happened to 46 will start is untrue. Hacking the code as what happened with 46 is not the same as someone using cheats.

 

Also, I agree with my squadmate there, hacking 46 killed the economically viability of the game and that means also killed development wise.

 

it would most likly stop them if we could ban ip's.

 

But still against the rules and not sure but wont be a 1 day ban if that happens.

 

Also posting false or damaging information about BoS/BoM is against the rules, in this case that the game has been hacked. Rule 17

 

And if someone took a look at the Q&A topic lately, they are working in a solution.

 

PeterZvan, on 15 May 2016 - 17:58, said:

Will the cheating online which is happening currently be prevented in the future? Do you have a fix for it?

 

Han: We are working on solution.

[wtornado]

If I were a dev the last word I would use was the game was hacked too.

 

 

IL-2 source code was illegally hacked way before 1946.

 

I felt sorry for old Oleg Maddox when it happened.

 

Years after mods came out and Maddox lost control and dropped the game .

 

It was very sad.Thousands of players dissappeared and the game never recovered.

 

That is how I remember it.

 

For me 2005 to 2008 was the best years I had with the game.