P-47 Lend-Lease

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

Come on.... you know you want to!

Edited April 29, 2016 by SYN_Luftwaffles

[Gambit21]

They sent the bubble tops over there too.

[Potenz]

today i was thinking about the lend-lease P-47

[Gump]

hmmm, that's a thought..... let me consider it..

[LukeFF]

No - totally irrelevant to the Eastern Front.

Edited April 29, 2016 by LukeFF

[Juri_JS]

With the exception of the 255th IAP of the Northern Fleet it did not see much combat use, but I think adding the P-47 wouldn't be such a bad idea, because it could also be used as American plane once we get a late war scenario in an area where both the VVS and the USAAF operated (Berlin, Hungary, Romania, Balkans).

[Elem]

I don't have any feelings for the A/c one way or the other, and it would be very low on a list of wanted items, but I did find this.....

 

NOTE: "The P-47D was not used in combat units, or combat situations."

 

 

The P-47D-s were manufactured in the USA, prepared to send by ships mostly via the southern lend lease route. They were assembled near Basrah, Persia at the Abadan port and air base.
From this airfield they were flown by Russian pilots to the USSR on the Abadan-Teheran-Kirovabad route /about 1450km distance/
The planes were handled to the ZBAP, or ZAP, Reserve bomber air regiment/Reserve Air regiment which trained the crews and deployed the planes to the units.
Before the introduction to the 11th ZAP a technical platoon checked the machines:
- the unnecessary radio equipment was removed /transmitters not compatible with soviet frequencies.
- the automatic radar identification IFF repeater was removed
- sometimes the soviet national insignia was painted by the platoon

The P-47D was not used in combat units, or combat situations. The plane showed rather poor results compared to the Soviet fighters  - designed as a high altitude escort fighter for the strategic bomber force, was indeed not really suitable for the eastern front use.

For a relatively long period of time it was used and tested at the 255 IAP, stationed at Vaenga/ Vayenga 1 airstrip, near Murmansk.
 

http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1175.0

 

[Juri_JS]

Just a small correction Elam. The P-47 did see combat use. The 255th IAP of the Northern Fleet flew some anti-shipping missions with the P-47 along the coast of northern Norway during 1945. There might have been some ground attack missions flown by other units during the evaluation of the aircraft, but its difficult to find detailed information.

[Feathered_IV]

When I think of lend-lease aircraft, the P-47 is pretty far down the list.

[Finkeren]

Too obscure for the Eastern Front.

 

A prioritized list of LL-aircraft would be:

 

P-39N

 

A-20

 

P-39Q

 

Hurricane Mk.II

 

P-40M

 

P-40C

 

Spitfire Mk.VB

[PantsPilot]

As Finkeren says the P-47 was one of the least used lend-lease fighters for the VVS - there should be many other types ahead of it in historical relevance, I believe the most used were Hurricanes and P-39's. These should be added first before P-47 is even considered. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Imagine how poorly it would perform under the current way engine limits are implemented.

 

I can't wait for the firestorm over the P39 when it finally arrives.

 

Be very careful what you wish for gentlemen.

[Jade_Monkey]

I want it!

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

Hahaha could it be worse than adding the Macchi? How many were in Stalingrad, 4? 

[Mastermariner]

 

We can start w the Hurricane 

 

Master

[smink1701]

[Asgar]

Hahaha could it be worse than adding the Macchi? How many were in Stalingrad, 4? 

i think i read something about roughly 40

[LukeFF]

i think i read something about roughly 40

 

17

[Livai]

No - totally irrelevant to the Eastern Front.

 

Why you not let the Red Phoneix Rising....................

 

There is a big red star on it why it not belong to the Eastern Front where all the Red Stars fly. More variety of planes = more fun = more $$$$ from players that want this and that. Right?! 

Edited April 29, 2016 by Superghostboy

[Trooper117]

If the game is staying on the eastern front, then no, not much point in having it at all.

 

If the dev's are migrating to another theatre next where it was used in numbers, then of course we should have it...

[Y-29.Silky]

Hahaha could it be worse than adding the Macchi? How many were in Stalingrad, 4?

And they were removed after a few days because the US/UK were invading Italy.

Hmm, P-47's were in Italy. Italy... That has a nice ring to it.

[Dakpilot]

And they were removed after a few days because the US/UK were invading Italy.

Hmm, P-47's were in Italy. Italy... That has a nice ring to it.

 

Truly the Macchi 202's were not effective in the winter at Stalingrad, but they were there,  from September 42 until may 43, 5 aircraft being abandoned on the Russian front, the remaining 9 withdrawn back to Italy

 

P-47's in Italy...  all for it

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited May 4, 2016 by Dakpilot

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

P-47's in Italy...  all for it

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Agree totally.

[seafireliv]

I`d love to see the Hurri MkIIc.

However, i`m not against a P47 either. Heck, have them all as long as they were there in reality. Just restrict them to their squad locations.

Edited May 5, 2016 by seafireliv

[Pharoah]

 

mmmmm I like

 

wiki:

 

Through Lend-Lease, Soviet forces received more than two-thirds of version A-20B planes manufactured and a significant portion of versions G and H. The A-20 was the most numerous foreign aircraft in the Soviet bomber inventory. The Soviet Air Force had more A-20s than the USAAF.^[11]

They were delivered via the ALSIB (Alaska-Siberia) air ferry route. The aircraft had its baptism of fire at the end of June 1942. The Soviets were dissatisfied with the four .30-calibre Browning machine guns — themselves only capable of firing at a top rate of 600 rounds per gun per minute — and replaced them with the faster-firing, 7.62mm calibre ShKAS, capable of up to 1800 rounds per gun per minute. During the summer of 1942, the Bostons flew ultra-low-level raids against German convoys heavily protected by flak. Attacks were made from altitudes as low as 33 ft (10 metres) and the air regiments suffered heavy losses.^[11] By mid-1943 Soviet pilots were very familiar with the A-20B and A-20C. The general opinion was that the aircraft was overpowered and therefore fast and agile. It could make steep turns with an angle of up to 65°, while the tricycle landing gear made for easier take-offs and landings. The type could be flown even by crews with minimal training. The engines were reliable but sensitive to low temperatures, so the Soviet engineers developed special covers for keeping propeller hubs from freezing up.^[12]

Some of these aircraft were armed with fixed-forward cannons and found some success in the ground attack role.^[13]

By the end of the war, 3,414 A-20s had been delivered to the USSR, 2,771 of which were used by the Soviet Air Force.^[11]

Edited May 6, 2016 by TOGPharoah

[senseispcc]

I am of the meaning that there are a lot more important planes to model in the game than a never used on this theatre of operation plane, the P47, per example the Do 17, Do 217, Fw189, Hs 123, Fw 200 and many I forget and for the Soviet side IL 4, SB 2, I 153, Pe 8, SB 3, SU2, Tu 2 , Yak 9 various types, Yak 3, La 5 fn, La 7 and many land-lease planes like the P39 like many models nearly all produced, A20 also a lot of models plus some created by the Russians, early P40 Tomahawk's, Hurricanes, Spitfires but let us not forget the German allies with their multiple planes and models like the Fokker DXXI, Gloster Gladiator, Blenheim, Caudron C714 and many many other for the Fins but more if you go to the Romanian or Hungarians even some German He 112!

And forget a lost like floatplanes, transports for some their where only one build and used.