Talk me down from the edge...

[GrendelsDad]

Sure, but at the end of a competitive chess match do you then spit on your opponent? I suspect not. This is not the equivalent of hooking a guy as you cross the blueline (hockey) for positional advantage. This is akin to spearing a guy in the balls after you score in overtime. It is childish in the extreme and not tolerated in "sport."

 

 

 

 

 In said Chess match after you lay your king down.  He cannot then radio my Kings position to his queen and rooks to then take out my king.  If he could I would follow through with a straffing run after the check-mate.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[Bearcat]

i love how people are justifying chute kills. It is cowardly and unsporting. This is a game and it is just douchey behavior. I did it once in a fit of rage and regretted it for weeks. I assure you I am no delicate flower either. I wouldn't p!$$ on you if you were on fire after seeing you do this. To do such a thing shows your character or absolute lack thereof.

 

Strafe and bomb, however, a military target all you want. That is an entirely different discussion.

 

I agree.. People who say it happened in real life seem to miss the glaringly obvious.. In real life there was no respawn. Thre is no need for thaty kind of behavior and it is the same thing as camping out over an airbase to take out spawning aircraft or aircraft as they are taking off or landing..

 

Not everyone flew the original IL-2 but back then chute killing was pretty much forbidden on nearly every server and was considered one of the worse things you could do.

 

I can see why some people (not the OP) started doing it and it's because of the introduction of stats....killing the pilot ends his streak. As much as the stats look really nice it was bound to lead to this.

 

Absolutely... back then it was enough to shoot the guy down and win that fight.. there was no need to rub a guys face in it.. which is what chute shooting is basically.

[unreasonable]

The worst thing is being chute killed after you have been shot down by someone on your own side. 

 

It only takes a few tossers to drive people away from MP.

[Feathered_IV]

It only takes a few tossers to drive people away from MP.

 

So true.

[Lusekofte]

We'll another thing for me is the fact that I fly WW2 because it interest me, I kind of set myself in a role-play. You guys might look at this as a FPS game and "to heck with it attitude" if that works for you , great. For me I get upset when my stupid AI wingmen fly into each other. or drop their bombs and engage fighters behind my back so I loose them, just to hear they getting hurt somewhere. 

Same in MP , I feel I have done a good days work when I have navigated to a spotted target at DED server and manage to have a decent IP and level bombed the living daylight out of the target, and then find my airbase again. I feel I can go and watch a TV program and relax after that.

All I know is no real fighter pilot like to identify themselves as chute shooters, except one famous US pilot . And neither do I, personally I think this game got way to much counterstrike attitude, and this is why I stay away from MP most of the time, good old simdays are by gone 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Look, I voluntarily spend my time in this game as a ground attacker, and therefore a target.  But sometimes things are a bit harsh.  For example, I mentioned earlier that one time there was just myself and a wingman in IL-2's attacking a rear objective.  Suddenly we were swarmed by 8-9 various 109s and 190s.  These guys came at us so hard that two collided and killed one another and one rammed when he ran out of cannon.  Then I was strafed by two of them as I came to rest on the ground(thankfully didn't jump that time) .  This is just one example but it is very typical.  I don't get worked up about it, but I do try to think of creative ways to get even.  So as I sit on the map screen, I think to myself:

 

The Soviet side is usually winning by a massive margin in the monthly campaign, but these guys don't care about that, that's the job of the ZG and Stuka guys.  What do they care about? Getting killed and losing their stats is big(not too often you get to do that in an IL-2/Pe-2, but it happens) but you have to finish it for it to mean anything but a rare heroic defeat for the brave ace. Being killed on the ground at their airbase(an ego thing, I suppose) .  Having tanks roll onto the airfield and occupy it really bugs them, even when the next airfield is 5 minutes away and it gives them something to do.  The novelty of tanks in a flight sim, I think.  Outraged screaming about any of these things is very funny, given that it's all within the rules and they have the means to protect themselves.

 

I've seen war, this isn't it.  I've played sport, this isn't that either.  It's a game, and I like and respect most of the guys I have the luck to play it with, friendly and enemy.  Cultivating a positive atmosphere is priceless for growing the sim and the community and having fun.  But I will absolutely take the chances I get to even the score of those particular guys who ride me and my group so hard when they happen to go down around me and an airbase is a very tasty target, anytime, period.  No ill will intended, more mischief than anything.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Silas

[SCG_Neun]

I don't know all the guys that we interact with online in the SNBF, at least not real well, but I can say from listening to them on TeamSpeak before and after the match, I know enough to say that I would feel terrible if I ever shot one of them dangling in a chute.   Besides, there's enough danger bailing out in the vicinity of AAA without having a fellow simmer plugging me in my chute.  Some guy smoking..still in the air, well that's different.  I more than likely give up my altitude to come down and take the shot anyway and run the risk of getting wasted myself.  Hammering a base deep behind enemy lines..also no problem pounding anything and everything in the area...except some poor guy in a chute.  The old saying "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you" is a pretty good motto in my way of thinking.

 

Flying in the less controlled arenas like WOL, well it's pretty well impossible to enforce much of anything and it's why I stick to closed arenas where I see guys that respect one another and the history we are trying to recreate.  From flying a "Dead is Dead" concept, we would simply disregard any kill that resulted from our guy dangling in a chute and getting riddled with bullets.  

Edited April 25, 2016 by 4./JG52_Neun

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Many people that fly here are from the "old school" IL2 1946.  Those who shot at chutes back in the day were looked at as low life and many times banned from  servers.  So if you know that many here are of that frame of mind and it will probably tick them off, then why would you do it?

 

The thing is you knew when you posted the OP it apparently upset people to chute kill:

 

 

I know I will upset a few people with this but here it goes.

 

So your point in the OP is to what?  Have people change your mind or really to garner support for your thinking among other chute killers?

 

Very strange indeed.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 12.OIAE_Stick-95

[I/JG27_Rollo]

 

 

HerrMurf' timestamp='1461590500' post='352949'] Chute killing is nothing more than an EFF U and that is just about the least social thing you can do without physical contact. There really is no justification for it, sporting or social.

This.

 

It's a waste of ammunition for the sake of being a jerk. In reality it could get one side rid of an enemy with potential years of training and experience. Ingame, it can end soneone's kill streak but he/she will return with a new virtual life and not a single bit of experience lost. Completely futile in regards of the game's objectives, it only serves to please a certain kind of ego.

[GrendelsDad]

12.OIAE_Stick-95

So your point in the OP is to what?  Have people change your mind or really to garner support for your thinking among other chute killers?

 

Very strange indeed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point was to engage in a discussion about this subject. I added some flare to the post to keep it fun. I have discussed what many consider a valid strategy of eliminating the communication pipeline which is a valid tactic in gaming. I am sure many a cable layer was killed in many wars? You seem to be the only person not at least seeing that I have a point, even if they disagree? Strange indeed you would try to make it seem my motivations are anything other than what I have clearly stated. I chose not to fly my plane with emotions as I believe it makes you weaker at this game. I was acknowledging that I understand there is an opposing view which is what most people do in a discussion. Comprehension in context is also very important.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

My experience with you.
 

1. I called you out for shooting at me in my chute.

2. You accused me of bailing to avoid being shot down.

3. You were told my plane had already been disabled and engine was dead.

4. Then you denied shooting at my chute accept that I watched you approach and saw you open fire at me.

5. Then you claimed that you collided with my chute.

 

Every time you made a statement it contradicted the last.

 

Gee, I wonder why I might question your intent.

[GrendelsDad]

No, I did collide with your chute. I admitted it. I saw you bail quite late. I remember because it was the only time I have done that....and at the time I did think you bailed to avoid me...so that's called perspective. After I watched the track I saw the whole thing unfold. In my defense you were in a combat area with many of my fellow flyers around so yeah...I killed you to make sure you couldn't spot. Please be a little tougher, it will help in life. I did not do it to be an ass as you would like my motivations to be. Stop projecting...it's strange.

If you noticed the bullets went over you towards your plane that was in level flight just beyond you. And for the record this was months ago.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[Livai]

Take a Pe-2 with bombs fly to the enemy base drop your bombs. Create a crash landing or land there how you like near the runway or near the place where the player spawn. Switch to the turret gunners to have fun with some great target practicing.....Destroy the whole enemy just with a turret gunner....

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

 

 

I did not do it to be an ass...

 

What a shame it didn't work.

[GrendelsDad]

That's what you have got from this discussion. You are way too sensitive maybe you should move on before you become number 2 on my shoot-chute list and you anguish over it for months.

[GrendelsDad]

Chief I had no idea who that even was until 5 mins ago. Yes moments like that have sparked this thread for me...My mate Harry was stuffed on the ground a few weeks ago and I thought it was a smart move. This Snake guy is upset but he refuses to see that maybe I had a different perspective on the engagement. This all happened at 100 feet off the ground and lasted 20 to 30 seconds. Just to again give some perspective. His mate was actually killing Mr. X. of all people after snake was just gunned by Mr.X...so yes a very real possibility they were communicating. As they were talking on the game chat as well...one of themy asked if he was going to make a video of that which I thought was funny as well.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[Asgar]

fun fact: i don't have a "shoot-chute" list...but you're on it anyway

[KoN_]

Very Sad .

 

Quite sad shooting at parachutes i see this as very cowedly. 

 

In fact i am going too turn over a new leaf .............

From next month i shall shoot every enemy parachute i see  ,

I will strafe the airfields and landing  planes .

chase damaged enemy aircraft  all the way back to kingdom come .

Disconnect when i get shot down or damaged so that you don`t get your points or your kill in the Stats

I will abuse you in chat , Tell you how..........     SH*T   .............        your pilot skills are . 

Ram you when out of ammo .

Bomb you on the taxi ways . Even though i have flown over targets and objectives that might of won the map . !!

 

Now does anyone have a problem with that . We shall see . !!

 

While some of us are old school and `we have not been brought up in this ` Look at ` ME   ` sociality ,  some of us  tend to fly with honour and respect . 

 

 

This is a flight Sim .....................not call of duty .

 

 

Do you think you are doing this flight sim community any good by behaving this way . 

Edited April 25, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[I/JG27_Rollo]

Ram you when out of ammo .

 

That actually sounds legit. Reckless... but legit.

[GrendelsDad]

Again guys there is a valid conversation about strategy and tactics to be had. In athletics trash talking a bit is good to get in your opponents head. Making them "mad" will shake their focus. I believe on some level this relates to getting in someone's head. As I see I have rattled a few skulls today, maybe you guys can come find me on Saturday Night Bomber Flights...I will ask that anyone who chute kills me be exempt from punishment. No hard feelings. If you noticed most of my focus in original post was on bomber guys on the ground shooting and become anti air posts and spotting. I see the parachute issue as a bit more separate now. Which is too say I feel like I have gained something.

Feelings and strategies often conflict and intersect.

Asgar is that you sneaking around. See I even let you belly land and didn't Strafe you a few weeks ago.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[GrendelsDad]

Very Sad .

 

Quite sad shooting at parachutes i see this as very cowedly. 

 

In fact i am going too turn over a new leaf .............

From next month i shall shoot every enemy parachute i see  ,

I will strafe the airfields and landing  planes .

chase damaged enemy aircraft  all the way back to kingdom come .

Disconnect when i get shot down or damaged so that you don`t get your points or your kill in the Stats

I will abuse you in chat , Tell you how..........     SH*T   .............        your pilot skills are . 

Ram you when out of ammo .

Bomb you on the taxi ways . Even though i have flown over targets and objectives that might of won the map . !!

 

Now does anyone have a problem with that . We shall see . !!

 

While some of us are old school and `we have not been brought up in this ` Look at ` ME   ` sociality ,  some of us  tend to fly with honour and respect . 

 

 

This is a flight Sim .....................not call of duty .

 

 

Do you think you are doing this flight sim community any good by behaving this way . 

 Yes I do believe by having this discussion that I am helping this sim. community(I help plenty around here fyi).   If you read my OP you would see I have stated I am generally new to this game and I am sure these things get brought up by new people from time to time.  I think many of you cannot see past your stats to even consider that I may have a valid take on this discussion.  You instead prefer to be way over the top and not acknowledge  any thing i say other than "shoot parachutes".  making general judgements about my character is really silly thing to do.  I have honor and respect,  I also choose to not be narrow minded and accuse others of lacking in these areas over a discussion about a game we all play. 

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[SCG_Neun]

Well, sorry this has gotten so personal, but I fly with GrendelsDad on comms very often in SNBF and he has always been super cordial and has flown VVS rather often to keep the sides even.  Sure hope everyone just takes a minute to regroup.  I disagree with the shooting guys  in parachutes as I've already stated and this has been our code since the early days of IL2, but like GrendelsDad has stated, he is new to all this and it's just a discussion.  

[GrendelsDad]

Neun thank you for the kind words.  You know I am a team player and I think about this from a team perspective.  I really did not know people valued their virtual lives so much until I woke up this morning to being called a sexual slur!!!???(that's not even the guy I chute killed months ago)  I feel like I have handled myself like a gentleman and will continue to do so going forward.  I consider all of you guys my virtual FRIENDS and I think for the most part this discussion has been decent. 

 

on that note I want to acknowledge what JG77Con said...You sir are correct, this is not Call of Duty,  I do play some FPS and it is a different animal.  I may have a bad habit or two that carries over from these games that my kids love so dearly.  Thanks for pointing that out as I wasn't considering that point of view either because too me they are both "War games" and I am learning that there are subtle differences.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[216th_Jordan]

I also plead for a "calm down".

 

Grendel, as short as I have flown with him, is a considerate player and good one to fly with. He speaks about a taboo of the flight sim community. I see his point but I disagree with the reasons mentioned that would make chute-shooting ok for me. "No chute shooting" is a community standard. This is not war and even in war that is absolutely "bad manners" at least. I would not want to play a game where everyone keeps hitting you while you are defenseless and even unvaluable in terms of a kill achievement. I don't see ending a kill streak as an argument in this case, it's passing an unwritten law and considering that this is a game to have fun (I say thats the reason for playing a game), very immorale. There are other ways to end kill streaks.

[GrendelsDad]

I feel like Bryce Harper and this thread is Goose Gossage...man I hope someone gets that reference.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[Venturi]

Some people fly in this sim to get a kick and couldn't care less about the other guy, it's all about killing their opponent and spiking the ball in the end zone, they might have bought a $50 joystick to do so...

 

Some fly to win, but care about the history and try to recreate it, and consider IL-2 and WW2 simming a small community (which it is), and want to keep it going for years to come.

 

Question is, which are you?

 

I liked a previous comment about where one chooses to fly, and I agree... Some servers promote Call of Duty style antics, and some promote the other kind of flyers. I guess the sim needs both, from a practical point of view. But I know which kind of people I'd rather fly with.

[SC_Manu653]

I understand the point of Grendels, in fact it's some kind of cheating to vector your wingman from your chute. The radio system is supposed to be inside the planes and not follow the pilot in his chute. At this point he guy in his chute can be an advance observator so a legit target but this is an anachronism for me. I play very conservative, more with my ammunitions and for me this game is a simulator of flight combat not a FPS, when my target or objective is consider neutralised my job is done.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 4./JG52Manu653

[GrendelsDad]

Let me share another story of misfourtne I had playing this game months ago.  I hope he see's this and chimes in.  I was attacking Russian base(I believe).  I was diving on the AAA protecting the airfield, as i dove I dropped my bombs and had my wings blown off by the flak gun I was diving on.  Well my bombs hit the runway and Jimmy VA i beleive was his name was blown to pieces by my bombs....As a new player I thought this was awesome...I watched it on the track after and it was even better watching the Yak go up in the cloud of bomb smoke.  I didnt consider I was BASE raping at the time.  I thought I was clearing the AA for The HE 111 to bomb after me.  I wasnt doing any of this to be a jerk.   I was having fun.  Now I know you stay away from spawn airfields because to me its lame to shoot someone trying to taxi and almost too easy so i just stay away from them generally.  Plus that Flak is a killer. 

[GrendelsDad]

Some people fly in this sim to get a kick and couldn't care less about the other guy, it's all about killing their opponent and spiking the ball in the end zone, they might have bought a $50 joystick to do so...

 

Some fly to win, but care about the history and try to recreate it, and consider IL-2 and WW2 simming a small community (which it is), and want to keep it going for years to come.

 

Question is, which are you?

 

I liked a previous comment about where one chooses to fly, and I agree... Some servers promote Call of Duty style antics, and some promote the other kind of flyers. I guess the sim needs both, from a practical point of view. But I know which kind of people I'd rather fly with.

 

Correct, and I like to call  myself a considerate player.  Which is one of my motivating factors for having this thread.  Because if I don't care if someone shoots me in my chute how is one to assume others would be so upset by it.  I had an idea before today and now I have a better understanding. 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

One thing I have to say, except for the odd base-camper on Wings of Liberty (as opposed to airfield attacker, very different things) I've mostly met cordial enemies in the air. Vade, Manu and all of 4./JG 52, Grendel Sr. and others who simply are too many to list.

 

Being an adept of sticking with the plane to the last second, most of the time after I am down the enemy whizzes past at high speed and enters a climb. There is always a bit of the aviation romance in those fleeting seconds. You look around to see the state of your plane, the cloud of dust/snow starts to settle, you communicate to your group that you are down, sigh heavily after the intense action and then comes the whistling of engines above signalling that the fight is over for you. The enemy fought well, you start thinking about your mistakes and already replay the five minutes of that dogfight for a good thirty in your head trying to understand where did it go wrong. You think about the fate of your flight, of course, and what to tell them once the fight is over.

 

I try to make a habit of commenting what the enemy did well right after the engagement is over. Somebody put a lot of effort to get into that firing position, into that deflection shot and so on, and I'm sure they'd enjoy hearing that so I let them know that hey, that was some pretty good [insert situation and move]. A lot of times I forget, of course, but above all as virtual pilots while we can bicker a little bit on discussion boards in the air and afterwards we're all friends. There's a real sense of community to the whole thing.

[GrendelsDad]

Lucas I agree...I will not comment anymore as I feel like my points have been expressed, and some information was collected and processed.  Now lets go virtually hunt each other down.

[seafireliv]

Always seemed to me kinda logical how to avoid vulchers.

 

1. Have flak at the airfield. No flak, hope for some fighter cover and if possible have flak respawn on a timer.

 

2. Have covering fighters. No fighters? Tough luck, start encouraging fighters to work togther.

 

If any enemy aircraft gets through that lot, then he deserves a few kills.

 

3. If all else fails, respawn at a different airfield.

 

4. Go do the the same to their airfield.

 

As some American guy said to me once, "Quit ya belliachin` and go make lemonade from those lemons!"

Edited April 25, 2016 by seafireliv

[GrendelsDad]

Sorry one more post as to the type of player I am(Seafire struck a cord with his post)...I will spawn at an airfield under attack because I like the aspect of taxing under pressure...Sirens blaring, AA guns going off.  To me this is a great part of the game.  I do not mind putting my virtual life at risk as I think it makes for great drama.

[GrendelsDad]

Sorry they were  in game chatting with me and others and shared a tag name so I assumed they were on comms.  English is my first language so please forgive my lack of skill with its use at times.

I was defensive I guess after being called a F@% by a forum member.  I believe we posted so fast that you thought I was talking too you and I now see that your post was between me and the guy above us.  I apologize for it takes me some time to post as I am tending to family a little.

 

the only point I disagree on is that spotting is a very big part of this game in my opinion.

Edited April 25, 2016 by 6./ZG1_GrendelsDad

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Let's start with the title of the thread, Talk me down from the edge… I assume this had to do with starting of some dialogue where you are looking for information in regards to maybe changing your course of action in some manner.

 

You go on in the OP to say:

 

 

Okay I am at a crossroads in my simming life. I have been playing multiplayer for less than a year. ... I see nothing wrong with shooting people in parachutes and even more shooting a plane who has ditched and is just setting on the ground "disabled" and here is why. ... Please lets discuss and bring me back too the light.

 

In post after post people with many years of flying within the community have stated that shooting chutes:

 

 

...generally against that sort of stuff

 

...hate people doing that

 

It is cowardly and unsporting... just douchey behavior

 

...insult from the other player and an indicator of their low character.

 

Chute-shooting is the flight sim equivalent of gamer teabagging.

 

...chute killing was pretty much forbidden on nearly every server and was considered one of the worse things you could do.

 

Such behavior was not tolerated on majority of serious servers leading to bans (even permanent) or simply folks kick-voted such individual out of the game.

 

Quite sad shooting at parachutes I see this as very cowardly.

 

Your response to most of these was simply to reiterate your position and again try to justify it. To some, you take the tack of making comments to make them sound weak. People that need to feel superior usually do this type of thing. You do this in chat on-line as well.

 

 

 

Please be a little tougher, it will help in life.

 

 

 

That's what you have got from this discussion. You are way too sensitive maybe you should move on before you become number 2 on my shoot-chute list and you anguish over it for months.

 

Seems pretty apparent to me that in spite of your admitted limited time on servers, and the number of people that have said that chute killing has been looked down on over the years, you just continue to justify and propagate your view of killing people in chutes. Then fine, go do it.  The whole thread however had nothing to do with looking for input and maybe changing the way you interact with the community.

 

I suppose if you can't get airkills, chutes are the next best thing. Maybe a chute killing medal should be designed.  Someone might wear it proudly.

[GrendelsDad]

Yes Stick I restated my points after I saw the discussion stalling on the parachute issue.  No power play at work here guy.  I have shown respect for everyones opinions in this thread, even yours to some extent.  Your attempt to paint me in an ill light only reflects on you son.  i call you son as you seem to be younger  than the rest of the people posting in here.  I meant to steal zero of your joy.  I was playing a game that i bought. Wasnt worried about feelings as I reserve that for the real world most of the time.  But I see that there is a genuine dislike for this practice and it takes seeing it in full force to get an idea of how serious it is for some.  I have not been rude to anyone accept WULF and he got what he deserved.  Stick I am sure you are a stand up guy, but ease up man.  I thought again the shoot kill list was pretty funny if I say so myself.  But again speaks to how serious some are that they can see comedic gold and just walk right by because they are upset.  Please address all of my statements in this thread as they are generally connected and all apart of a discussion.  You cannot just cherry pick what you like and take it out of context and expect to be taken seriously.

 

I am generally helpful and joking on comms and in game chat.  I am asking for escorts, talking to friends. Have I said something rude in video game chat before...sure I have been playing games for a long time.  But I live and learn like most.   Not sure what you are on about there.

 

Lets stop this because it is silly and a waste of our time.  If I was a repeat offender I would understand your anger but I am not so please chill.

[Cloyd]

It's a game lads... it's not that serious 

Nuff said.

[FTC_Etherlight]

I don't really get how shooting chutes is such a big deal, but then again I was not around in the old times of 1946. For me shooting down someones parachute is something akin to flipping the bird. Depending on the happenings before that that can either be a grinning, cheeky and friendly meaning action or a more serious eff u kind of action. There are times when I would find both legitimate, to be honest. But then again I don't care about stats at all, so if someone shoots my chute down? I really, really don't care. I'm coming from different genres of online games where there is far worse people do to you verbally than something like that. Sometimes it can be both a way to vent your own frustration and give a signal of displeasure towards the opponent. For example: If there is someone who does nothing but strafe people, camp airfields and the like for the sake of easy kills, without accepting any fights, then I would absolutely consider shooting down his parachute once I got that cheeky little bugger. It would be a nonverbal, nonabusive way of flipping him the bird in my mind, something like banter, only more efficient. ^^ Some people don't like that. Some people don't like it, because of the implications of real life or because they consider it to be traditionally very rude (which it's really not, if you look at it from a neutral perspective. It is mostly considered to be rude by people who have been in the older communities). Fact is that me and many, many of those playing BoS today have not "grown up" in those communities and do not share the same values or we do and just do not link certain actions to specific values.

The same is true for this, in my mind very strange, categorization of sim pilots. Like the "Call of Duty-simmer" who just wants quick action, is shittalking in chat and a troll, or the "Historical simmer" who wants to fly and recreate like the olden times and is a noble knight of the sky etc. etc...I'm exaggerating of course, but I think you get my point. I, for the life of me, cannot put myself in those categories. Sometimes I play airquake on WoL, derp around with the FW-190 in low fights, punish myself by flying the P-40 and just have a few good laughs (very bad for the stats by the way ). But sometimes I fly with people in more organized ways, try to survive and play as a serious, tight squadron, where survival and accomplishing the mission are key. That I do on other servers or FNBF. I would not dream of shooting a parachute for teh lulz in FNBF, since it is a more serious, almost roleplay-ey setting where those actions have a deeper meaning in and of itself.
But against friends on some airquake trollserver, having a few laughs or to show certain people some well-deserved 20mm cannon love who worked for that pleasure really hard or are shittalking in chat? Pfff, ya bet. ^^ I guess it's just a matter of attitude and "sim flight education and upbringing" in a broader sense.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is: Don't necessarily project the intentions you would need to have for shooting a chute on those you witness doing it. I mean you can...and maybe you're right. But there is a very good chance you're wrong and in reacting you just do more harm than good anyway. Just play and have fun and keep the serious business where it belongs.

Edited April 25, 2016 by JG4_Etherlight

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's a game lads... it's not that serious 

Yes but................

 

It is also a community. There are people here and in MP whom I genuinely like and respect. Even some of my habitual opponents.

 

There are some behaviors which are unacceptable within any organization/community. Many are written down and many are informal. One of our informal rules has always been not to do this. It was important enough that it was enumerated on most servers in the original. It is something we should ensure we pass down to the newest members of our nerdy clan.

 

I realize we are from many walks of life and even generations but we are a community, nonetheless, and need to self-police. Most of the old guard don't even consider shooting a chute. Better to ~S and move-on.

 

Unfortunately, there are no repercussions for bad behavior online, so I appreciate the discussion but think it is pretty clear that shooting a guy in a chute is one of those unacceptable items. It certainly wont contribute to growing the genre in our little niche, either, if that is how we treat members or allow it to occur without mention online. Complaining about it when it happens to you only fuels the behavior. We should, however, be coaching our teammates when we see it happen online and instill in them expectations and gamesmanship in the virtual skies. 

 

As, I said above, I did it once as well. It was $#!tty of me and I regretted it immediately. You bet your @$$ it won't happen again. 

 

On the other hand, I really don't care too much if a guy is reporting on movement. He is still defenseless, BTW, and will only get partial points anyway if we are discussing game design. I report all the time from the cockpit; before, during and after an engagement.

 

Does anyone know if the "bailer" times out once on the ground like they did in '46? I don't know because I am usually too busy jumping into my next ride to have ever waited that long.

Edited April 25, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't really get how shooting chutes is such a big deal, but then again I was not around in the old times of 1946. For me shooting down someones parachute is something akin to flipping the bird. Depending on the happenings before that that can either be a grinning, cheeky and friendly meaning action or a more serious eff u kind of action. There are times when I would find both legitimate, to be honest. But then again I don't care about stats at all, so if someone shoots my chute down? I really, really don't care. I'm coming from different genres of online games where there is far worse people do to you verbally than something like that. Sometimes it can be both a way to vent your own frustration and give a signal of displeasure towards the opponent. For example: If there is someone who does nothing but strafe people, camp airfields and the like for the sake of easy kills, without accepting any fights, then I would absolutely consider shooting down his parachute once I got that cheeky little bugger. It would be a nonverbal, nonabusive way of flipping him the bird in my mind, something like banter, only more efficient. ^^ Some people don't like that. Some people don't like it, because of the implications of real life or because they consider it to be traditionally very rude (which it's really not, if you look at it from a neutral perspective. It is mostly considered to be rude by people who have been in the older communities). Fact is that me and many, many of those playing BoS today have not "grown up" in those communities and do not share the same values or we do and just do not link certain actions to specific values.

The same is true for this, in my mind very strange, categorization of sim pilots. Like the "Call of Duty-simmer" who just wants quick action, is shittalking in chat and a troll, or the "Historical simmer" who wants to fly and recreate like the olden times and is a noble knight of the sky etc. etc...I'm exaggerating of course, but I think you get my point. I, for the life of me, cannot put myself in those categories. Sometimes I play airquake on WoL, derp around with the FW-190 in low fights, punish myself by flying the P-40 and just have a few good laughs (very bad for the stats by the way ). But sometimes I fly with people in more organized ways, try to survive and play as a serious, tight squadron, where survival and accomplishing the mission are key. That I do on other servers or FNBF. I would not dream of shooting a parachute for teh lulz in FNBF, since it is a more serious, almost roleplay-ey setting where those actions have a deeper meaning in and of itself.

But against friends on some airquake trollserver, having a few laughs or to show certain people some well-deserved 20mm cannon love who worked for that pleasure really hard or are shittalking in chat? Pfff, ya bet. ^^ I guess it's just a matter of attitude and "sim flight education and upbringing" in a broader sense.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is: Don't necessarily project the intentions you would need to have for shooting a chute on those you witness doing it. I mean you can...and maybe you're right. But there is a very good chance you're wrong and in reacting you just do more harm than good anyway. Just play and have fun and keep the serious business where it belongs.

I don't quite agree with you. Regardless of your play style you can be respectful of others. Shooting down friends and clowning is a completely different animal as well.

 

Douchey behavior, however, pretty much makes a man.........well, a douche. Actions defining the man, louder than words, etc. It is certainly indicative, if not outright defining, a person's character on the other side of the screen.

Edited April 25, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf