How do YOU fly the P-40.....not an FM discussion.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

I think it may be a case that the prop pitch rate of change is too slow to keep up with the rate of speed increase in a dive.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Have a look on the lower left corner of your instrument panel.

 

You will see the toggle switch for the prop control.

 

The upper position is automatic and the RPM is set like any other constant speed prop by using the control lever next to the throttle.

 

The lower position is for manual control of blade angle and you will see the positions for increase or decrease. (I don't think this is implemented in the sim).

 

I don't recall ever reading anywhere about the Curtiss prop not being able to keep up with airspeed changes, though it was not as mechanically reliable as the Hamilton Standard oil pressure driven type constant speed units.  But since reliability issues are not modeled this is not a concern.

[LukeFF]

The lower position is for manual control of blade angle and you will see the positions for increase or decrease. (I don't think this is implemented in the sim).

 

It's fully functional, but since it was only meant to be used in case the automatic system failed, it doesn't really have much of a use in the game.

Edited April 27, 2016 by LukeFF

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thanks Luke! Never tried it as not had the need. How is it controled in manual?

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

Thanks Luke! Never tried it as not had the need. How is it controled in manual?

Rshift+P

[BlitzPig_EL]

I mean how is the prop pitch made coarser or finer, not how to activate the control. I have my pitch bound to an axis on a CH Quadrant, will that still operate in in manual?

[LukeFF]

I mean how is the prop pitch made coarser or finer, not how to activate the control. I have my pitch bound to an axis on a CH Quadrant, will that still operate in in manual?

You'll need to use the keyboard commands for that.

[Willy__]

 

 

I mean how is the prop pitch made coarser or finer, not how to activate the control. I have my pitch bound to an axis on a CH Quadrant, will that still operate in in manual?

 

I dont think it will work with an axis, as Luke said, you'll need to assign buttons to it. 

[Lusekofte]

Well I got prop pitch on axis and it works on the P 40 so I do not get this

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Well I got prop pitch on axis and it works on the P 40 so I do not get this

 

I second this.

[Trooper117]

Yep, my P-40 prop pitch is on one of my Saitek throttle quadrant levers...

Edited April 27, 2016 by Trooper117

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Yep, my P-40 prop pitch is on one of my Saitek throttle quadrant levers...

Same set up. Map your prop pitch selector button as the axis full back. Then use the two buttons below the axis for manual trim course fine.

 

(It's not worth flying in manual mode )

[DD_Arthur]

Well I got prop pitch on axis and it works on the P 40 so I do not get this

 

No you haven't.  What you are doing is setting an rpm value for the engine. The axis you are moving is connected to the constant speed unit in the propeller hub which is then altering the pitch of the blades to maintain this rpm setting.

 

In the P40 you can override the constant speed unit and take manual control of the blade pitch.  Don't get too excited.  As Snake9 points out - it's not worth flying in manual mode.

[Willy__]

Sorry, I think I got misunderstood. You can set the prop pitch control to an axis(the black lever on the left side near the throttle), but in my previous post I was talking about the buttons you need to map to use the manual switch, to use it like a manual prop pitch of the 109s.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Herr_Istruba

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thanks Gents.

[LukeFF]

Sorry, I think I got misunderstood. You can set the prop pitch control to an axis(the black lever on the left side near the throttle), but in my previous post I was talking about the buttons you need to map to use the manual switch, to use it like a manual prop pitch of the 109s.

 

I think you and others are missing what DD_Arthur is pointing out: you are not setting the prop pitch in planes like the P-40 and all of the Soviet-built aircraft (and the German bombers, for that matter) - rather, you are setting the desired RPM you want, and the constant speed unit attempts to maintain that RPM. It's not the same thing as setting prop pitch in the German fighters.

[Willy__]

I think you and others are missing what DD_Arthur is pointing out: you are not setting the prop pitch in planes like the P-40 and all of the Soviet-built aircraft (and the German bombers, for that matter) - rather, you are setting the desired RPM you want, and the constant speed unit attempts to maintain that RPM. It's not the same thing as setting prop pitch in the German fighters.

 

I think most people know that. Whats happening here is a case of everyone talking about the same thing with different names, causing all the fuss.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Indeed.

 

Complicated by the fact that for many here English is not their first language, which is one of the great things about our little video game.  It brings lots of different people from across our little blue world together, more or less, and for the most part we all seem to get along well.

 

A pretty amazing thing really. 

[[TWB]80hd]

For an even better time, slap a bomb on it... just the challenge of getting it to the target without popping the manifold = exquisite.

[ACG_KaiLae]

It is a RPM increase indeed, I did not know the P 40 had constant speed propeller so I stand corrected. But are you sure all of the P 40 design had it?

 

The RPM will increase, because the manifold pressure increases which tends to increase RPM. If you throttle back the RPM's go down.

[seafireliv]

I love the look of the P40. Great aircraft to paint or draw as well.

 

But in this sim she`s hard to fly. I acquaint it to the 109. Try to even begin to turn and it`s `Hello, stall!`

[Monostripezebra]

huge disapointment: trying out the "spray and pray" P40 variant: 1000m convergence, 4mgs and extra ammo... thinking I´ve snip000rd some, only to find he himself blew the engine. cue sad zebra ;=)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4mt_zUfWM

 

I still think it´s a good idea, though

[ShamrockOneFive]

It doesn't help of course that AI wingmen are close to useless a lot of the time.

 

That's actually the worst part. I swear half the time I either engage a flight of P-40s or my flight of P-40s engages the enemy and the first maneuver my wingmates make is the crash into the ground pirouette where they immediately spin stall! 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Interestingly in the recent flights I've had the P-40E-1 escorts really deliver a good blow to Bf-109F-4s. Most of the time only one aircraft is left, sometimes a Kittyhawk, sometimes a Messer.

[Willy__]

 

 

Interestingly in the recent flights I've had the P-40E-1 escorts really deliver a good blow to Bf-109F-4s.

 

The AI has that sniper aim.

 

 

For those who still fly the p40 online: here are some tracks of my sucesses while flying it on online servers. Removing 2 .50cal help just a little, but I prefer having more firepower.

 

 

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/rngdoycoooc0wuq/p40tracks.rar

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/c7riebdri5xb71o/mp.p40twotracks.rar

 

 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

The AI has that sniper aim.

 

 

For those who still fly the p40 online: here are some tracks of my sucesses while flying it on online servers. Removing 2 .50cal help just a little, but I prefer having more firepower.

 

 

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/rngdoycoooc0wuq/p40tracks.rar

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/c7riebdri5xb71o/mp.p40twotracks.rar

 

 

Sweet. I've been trying to tame her myself recently.

I only figured out engine management, and that too much yaw throws you into one hell of a spin.

[Bert_Foster]

The AI Aces cant fly it well either. Very easy in QMB mission 1 v 1 to set the AI P40 up for a spin.. It can be repeated 100% of the time.

Head on 400m. Just prior to the merge feint one way for about 5seconds, then reverse the turn immediately prior to the cross ... look back post merge, the p40 will reverse and spin everytime.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Interestingly in the recent flights I've had the P-40E-1 escorts really deliver a good blow to Bf-109F-4s. Most of the time only one aircraft is left, sometimes a Kittyhawk, sometimes a Messer.

 

When it goes well... it does tend to go very well. The AI can make short work in a head on pass with those .50cals.

[Monostripezebra]

Sometimes the "spray to unnerve" taktik makes 109 lose confidence in their rides and break.. to their doom. Very fun!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMfE7jHD6oM