BoM... Why no Tomahawk?

[Trooper117]

I was wondering why we didn't get the Tomahawk instead of the Kittyhawk for BoM?

 

According to Bergstrom and other sources, 126 IAP who were operating in the Moscow combat zone, received the Tomahawk in October 1941.

Would this P-40 type make more sense than the E variant we have in game?

 

October 12th was the first time the P-40 type (Tomahawk) saw combat on the Eastern Front at the Moscow theatre of operations.

Edited April 20, 2016 by Trooper117

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I totally agree. 

It wouldn't be any worse than the P-40E. 

Edited April 20, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Is there a dramatic difference between the two?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Is there a dramatic difference between the two?

Weight. 500kg roughly. 

And Centerline guns. 

Edited April 20, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Willy__]

Is there a dramatic difference between the two?

 

First thing that comes to my head is the position of the armament, the earlier model had guns fitted on the nose along with the wing guns, instead of wing-only.

 

IIRC there also changes in the cowling/fuselage, cockpit layout and engine, but I'm not sure about that and I'll leave to p40 expertens to confirm

Edited April 20, 2016 by Herr_Istruba

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[Trooper117]

it would also make a great addition to the game if the devs migrate over to Libya... The Desert Ar Force used the Tomahawk from mid 1941 to early 1942, it certainly got a lot of use until superceeded by the Kittyhawk model we have in game now...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The armament gained from the nose mount, but also lost some punch since the wing guns were .30 MGs. The VVS often did away with the .30s.

[Brano]

Is there a dramatic difference between the two?

Yes. P-40E didn't participate in BoM as we know it. First units were delivered to 126.IAP in April 1942 and served in PVO when raids on Moscow were long gone. They were used mostly as escort for Douglas transport planes ferrying government officials from Moscow to Kuybyshev, because of their range.

They don't fit much into BoS either. 126.IAP lost most of its kitties in late August 42 at Stalingrad within a week after being transferred there and was removed from frontline to the rear to be reequipped with La-5.

[Trooper117]

From what I could find out... ''126th IAP flew 666 combat sorties to cover the forces of Kalinin and West Fronts and 318 combat sorties for the defense of Moscow in the period from 25 October 1941 to 25 April 1942. During this effort the regiment downed 29 enemy aircraft at a cost of four of their own aircraft and two pilots. ''

[Venturi]

I have been wondering this for a long time, the P-40B was a better performer by all accounts. Actually it was one of the best P-40s in terms of climb. Plus it looked a lot better.

 

I do think the Sovs got more P-40E than P-40B, but the B model was around during BOM.

 

Don't mind having a bunch of .30cals instead of .50cals in the wings, myself. I prefer the 2x .50cal centerline and 4x .30cal wing guns actually. Better roll rate that way and better long distance shooting, too.

 

I think the P-40E will transition nicely into 1942 North Africa / Med theatre, however -

 

The best of both worlds would be to have both the -B model AND the -E model.

One thing to add is that the -33 engine would be less durable than the -39 engine. 

 

Stress testing of the -33 engine at 56" MAP / 3000rpm revealed crank web cracks after 80 mins continuous power.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

 

One thing to add is that the -33 engine would be less durable than the -39 engine. 

 

Stress testing of the -33 engine at 56" MAP / 3000rpm revealed crank web cracks after 80 mins continuous power.

About 80 times more durable -39 currently ingame.

Edited April 20, 2016 by RoflSeal

[Rjel]

I think the P-40B/Cs were the best looking variants of the entire series. I hope they'll show up someday soon in IL-2.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Cuz why not?

 

[Rjel]

I think the A/C engine sounds are pretty decent in this sim but they just don't capture the "growl" I hear as in this video or in person. That speed up sound of the prop (I think) I hear as a plane starts its dive towards the camera shivers down my spine. I hope that'll come as IL-2 matures.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Cuz why not?

 

 

Man that is beautiful! The sound too... I had the pleasure of seeing Vintage Wings Canada's P-40N put through the same kind of aerobatics a few years back and what a sight that was!

[Flynco]

Yes P-40 forever....plz develop

[BlitzPig_EL]

I approve of this thread.

 

[Venturi]

P-40B / Tomahawk would be a better performer at "nominal" power levels and would look a heck of a lot better than the -E model. It has center line 50 cals. Also, it would really only require a few cockpit changes and FM tweaks. It could be used for all early to mid war British/Commonwealth, US, and Soviet airplane sets in whichever theatre is of interest.

 

What's not to like?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

One for the nostalgic: remember BillyPryce's amazing 'Desert Air Force' campaign series? If memory has it right I was pretty bummed out when they upgraded us from P-40Bs to P-40Es, not because of performance but because I've always felt the Tomahawk was a much better looker.

[Livai]

 

Tomahawk II (AH965) of the 126 IAP flown by Lt. S.G. Ridnyi, Moscow area, December 1941

It is a little known fact that the Tomahawks and Kittyhawks with red stars participated in all the decisive battles: the battle for Moscow, at Stalingrad, the defense of Leningrad, in the Kuban, at the Kursk bulge, and beyond to the liberation of eastern Prussia. Source: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/

Edited April 25, 2016 by Superghostboy