why not release BoM first in 2014 ? (it was 75% completed)

[zapatista]

from late 2011 the 1c SoW studio team was working full time with most of its crew on BoM (using and fixing the CoD gfx engine at the same time, but fixing it so it could be used for BoM). we have seen the screenshots and been given update information on it for over a year, new buildings, new planes, new ground vehicles, maps, scenery detail etc

 

why not make one final push to get BoM out the door in early 2014 before changing horses and completely abandoning all that hard work ? by all indications it was 75% done and would have taken little monety and effort to complete

 

2014 is a long way away, and whatever will be produced by the RoF team will be very different from the legacy of the the il2 sturmovik line. in fact they will throw away most of what was created in the last few years, and maybe keep a few schematics for vehicles and aircraft to save money redesigning them, but all the rest they will throw away, and replace it with a more simple low tech version, what a waste.

Edited December 11, 2012 by zapatista

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I doubt any of the team wanted to work for free....  The project was shut down.  How do you know its going to be a simple low tech version?  This isnt going to be War Thunder.

[SYN_Repent]

maybe they will repace it with a version that works? ya know with uber high tech stuff like WORKING anti-aliasing.......

[zapatista]

up untill the anouncement todat we were getting insider reports from people like DEDA that "work was continuing" while the other negotiations took place

 

so no, nothing was "shut down" earlier. untill all parties signed on the dotted line and 1c would have kept work going on BoM, and we had direct confirmation of that as well 2 months ago

 

this new arrangements sounds to me like 777 is actually running the project for 1C, and 1C stays the senior company in charge which has subcontracted the managing of the next 1c flightsim game. 777 will likely keep some of the previous 1c programmers and staff, and will replace others. as long as 777 produces a game with ww2 aircraft in it by 2014 then 1c will be happy

[Fjordmonkey]

up untill the anouncement todat we were getting insider reports from people like DEDA that "work was continuing" while the other negotiations took place

 

so no, nothing was "shut down" earlier. untill all parties signed on the dotted line and 1c would have kept work going on BoM, and we had direct confirmation of that as well 2 months ago

 

this new arrangements sounds to me like 777 is actually running the project for 1C, and 1C stays the senior company in charge which has subcontracted the managing of the next 1c flightsim game. 777 will likely keep some of the previous 1c programmers and staff, and will replace others. as long as 777 produces a game with ww2 aircraft in it by 2014 then 1c will be happy

 

None of those insider reports were more reliable than a weather-forecast for the next summer anyway.

[zapatista]

None of those insider reports were more reliable than a weather-forecast for the next summer anyway.

 

depends on what you have been reading, and where

 

pretty much most of what DEDA provided on the sukoi forums in the last 2 months turned out to be true

 

jasons denial of any involvement with 1C and the next combined flightsim product a few weeks ago turned out not to be correct

 

so insider rumours from ligitimate inside sources on some of the main aviation forums turned out to be correct, and the official word from a formal representative of one of the companies who still wanted to keep things confidential (till finalised) turned out to be incorrect (but understandable in context of confidential commercial negotiations)

 

and as indicated in my previous post, all indications are that the BoM team was still hard at work till the deal was finalised in the last few days

 

Q. What happened to the CLOD development team and the ROF development team?

A. Both teams have been merged into one team (1C Game Studios) that will share one roof and be responsible for both BOS and future ROF development.

Edited December 11, 2012 by zapatista

[=IRFC=Jorri]

jasons denial of any involvement with 1C and the next combined flightsim product a few weeks ago turned out not to be correct

 

No, what Jason said was:

 

1C did not "assume us" and ROF is completely owned and operated by 777 Studios and development plans remain the same for ROF.

 

Jason

 

which turned out to be 100% true as well.

 

Let's not pretend 1C killed off the goose with the golden eggs, here. Sure, good things are lost if the CloD engine is dropped, but a viable future for IL-2 Sturmovik is not one of them.

[zapatista]

No, what Jason said was:

 

 

which turned out to be 100% true as well.

 

Let's not pretend 1C killed off the goose with the golden eggs, here. Sure, good things are lost if the CloD engine is dropped, but a viable future for IL-2 Sturmovik is not one of them.

the next product wont be il2 sturmovick as we have known it, either the initial series or the CoD attempt of providing an ambitious next gen version

 

from the just provided statments from the new combined team effort, it is clear that BoS will be entirely different. it will be RoF with a few ww2 planes, sold under the il2 sturmovik name. most likely it will be a commercial success to, RoF is and the same business model has the 1C money men dreaming of golden times (and it will be profitable for them to, and provide certainty for their investment). but it wont be the old il2 stumovick series as we have known it, and it wont be a next gen version of it either

 

for the old RoF customers who wanted RoF to provide a ww2 sim, that is good news. for the old il2 sturmovick series fans this is an entirely different question

Edited December 11, 2012 by zapatista

[Docholiday]

I am pretty sure (if You can be sure of anything in the game developement business ) that 777 will, after they created a valide, reliable version of BOM (basing on her own game engine) they will give us a CLOD - patch for this new game too.

 

:D

.. I hope..

 

good luck

 

Doc

[arjisme]

Just curious, but can you provide a link to this denial?

 

As to the OP question(s), I think it is obvious there was no one with money willing to back continued development of BoM.  The track record of that development effort was not reassuring and it sure looked like the project management was in need of help.  I was quite surprised to see how many people were hanging their hopes on BoM after going through the CloD debacle.

 

jasons denial of any involvement with 1C and the next combined flightsim product a few weeks ago turned out not to be correct

[JediMaster]

the next product wont be il2 sturmovick as we have known it, either the initial series or the CoD attempt of providing an ambitious next gen version

 

from the just provided statments from the new combined team effort, it is clear that BoS will be entirely different. it will be RoF with a few ww2 planes, sold under the il2 sturmovik name. most likely it will be a commercial success to, RoF is and the same business model has the 1C money men dreaming of golden times (and it will be profitable for them to, and provide certainty for their investment). but it wont be the old il2 stumovick series as we have known it, and it wont be a next gen version of it either

 

for the old RoF customers who wanted RoF to provide a ww2 sim, that is good news. for the old il2 sturmovick series fans this is an entirely different question

 

Really? As a fan of Il-2 in 2001 thru Il-2:46 I was HUGELY disappointed by CloD. For every thing it did better, it did 2 things worse. The final patch lowered that ratio to 1:1. It wasn't what I wanted at all. How can it NOT have coop? How can it lose the dynamic campaign as well as the ability to do one coop? These things were in FB in 2003, but a 2011 one loses all that so we can have pretty pictures out the window? No thanks.

 

I'm willing to see what Jason and 777 can bring to the table because what CloD brought was the equivalent of day-old fast food.

[Hellfire257]

Yeah great idea. CloD was less than 75% complete when it was released, lol. That went ever so well, didn't it?

[Graawl]

December 2012 !

Mayans were right 

It is the end of the [flight simming] world as we know it !

 

More seriously, if I remember correctly it was not Maddox Games that was developping the BoM sequel content, it was a 3rd party developper team; the MG devs were only working on the engine.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Graawl

[=IRFC=Jorri]

Jason is working very hard today to make sure everyone has nothing but realistic expectations, and that doesn't include an eastern front CloD, or a HIFI IL2. It will be a completely new product, based on the ROF engine but much much further developed, and with the IL2 name but no technical relation to it. And a business model to suit the current economic climate.

Edited December 13, 2012 by hq_Jorri

[Feathered_IV]

The BoM project was most certainly NOT 75% complete.

[hiro]

Also wasn't the BOM coded in the CLOD engine? 

Release the kraken! oh wait 75% of it! (at least the medusa head has to stone 25% less)

Remember Luthier said there would be something done that would be a ground breaking change / advantage for the Il-2 series over the flight sim industry, how about this merger :D

[LG1.Farber]

the next product wont be il2 sturmovick as we have known it, either the initial series or the CoD attempt of providing an ambitious next gen version

 

from the just provided statments from the new combined team effort, it is clear that BoS will be entirely different. it will be RoF with a few ww2 planes, sold under the il2 sturmovik name. most likely it will be a commercial success to, RoF is and the same business model has the 1C money men dreaming of golden times (and it will be profitable for them to, and provide certainty for their investment). but it wont be the old il2 stumovick series as we have known it, and it wont be a next gen version of it either

 

for the old RoF customers who wanted RoF to provide a ww2 sim, that is good news. for the old il2 sturmovick series fans this is an entirely different question

I fear your right.

[RedSkyTank]

God-Damn! i saw a Pe-2 parked in a wheat field ! .. I want it now! .. and i'll pay A$50 for a AS-IS BOM ! Seriously! .. and I'll buy BOS once it's released (if up to standard) .. and I'll buy CLOD source code for a User-patch .. good idea .. USER-PATCH.

[VPK_CARTOON]

The BoM project was most certainly NOT 75% complete.

 

I think you are right. There where only few models made. Thats it.

[ACG_Dickie]

maybe they will repace it with a version that works? ya know with uber high tech stuff like WORKING anti-aliasing.......

 

Most pilots have been using post processing AA on their cards,  have been for years and it works very well thanks.

 

Just why are so many ROF pilots so massively hostile, so misinformed about COD and so keen to shout it out?  I'm finding their community so hostile that I'm starting to really see a 'them and us'.  How horrible.  Jason really has his work cut out.

 

My issue is with theatre, I'm gutted that the BoB will be bypassed and potentially ignored in favour of late war USA based scenarios such as the PTO.

[Fishbreath]

AA is one of those things that should just work for a modern game. RoF can require some performance tweaking in the video card control panel, but it has an AA setting, and it does what it says on the box.

 

I do quite like the Battle of Britain, but there just isn't much game for an offliner like me in CloD (I'm waiting for a $5 sale before I get it), and in any event the only WWII plane I'm marginally competent in is the Yak-9, so an Eastern Front game is, for me, ideal.

[FlatSpinMan]

Osprey - we don't know anything beyond BOS being announced. The choice of theatre for a hypothetical follow up hasn't been announced anywhere as far as I know. Who's to say it'll be a late war US PTO setting? I mean it may, but there's other possibilities too, some if which might feature RAF aircraft.

Besides, the PTO is a turnoff to lots of people, myself included, due to the long overwater flights, mainly US vs Japan action, so it's by no means a certainty. For sales reasons you'd think late war ETO would be more of a money spinner. In any case, why worry about it now? BOS was only announced the day before yesterday!

 

Besides, you can still play CloD, which apparently is quite good now, to your heart's content.

 

As for the niggling between RoF and CoD fans, it's not all one way, but I agree it is all fairly unhelpful, to say nothing of completely pointless.

No one could accuse flight sim fans of graciousness, when it comes to developer interaction.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

 

 

for the old RoF customers who wanted RoF to provide a ww2 sim, that is good news. for the old il2 sturmovick series fans this is an entirely different question

You are speaking for yourself here.. as an old IL2 gamer f???

[SYN_Per]

I must say I?

[vl6]

75%?! Just in Zap's dreams

And try to not talk for everyone, I am an old il2 fan , and I am pretty happy with the news

[Mysticpuma]

You may think it was 75% complete, but that doesn't mean it was playable.

 

I presume the other 25% was the gameplay, weather, dynamic weather, clouds, lighting, Ai, radio commands and everything that was bugged in the first one and couldn't be patched. I presume (as we are in the mood for presumption) that 75% was the stuff that was already in CloD!

[89-]

BlackSix said on suhkoi today that BoM was in very early stages and done not by 1c but some other team. 1C itself started BoS under Ilya, but I do not know whether it was done in parallel or whether BoM was shut down immediatly, I guess the latter.

Edited December 13, 2012 by -89-